Should gay marriages be allowed in our country?

[tinky]

I have been re-reading this whole thread for the past couple of days and never did I read any of the tsikoteers saying that gay people are bad, God hates them or what have you.

You asked us a question and we answered.If you're gonna read the title of this thread just like what Konde said, it's very simple.the question is answerable by yes or no but what did you do? did you not ask us to elaborate?

Some people said they don't care ..whatever floats your boat blah blah blah..
If we choose to accept the "floats your boat without hurting" philosophy as a valid way of living, then do we also have to accept that "floating your boat and hurting whoever you want" as also a valid way of living, if someone chooses to live that way?


Here's my opinion, take it or leave it , i don't really care! Just like what I said on my earlier post I am against it! Why? Because I think no matter how modern this world has become, there are things that we should not change.Call me a religious freak if you want but I think that marriage is sacred. If you wanna get "legally bound" go right ahead but please call it whatever you want but "marriage"! . I also believe that a kid should have a mom and a dad , not 2 of each!

[ILuvDetailing]

Thats what am saying whats the connection of gay marriage with all this anti gay stuff, its only city that was posting about "god hates gays" and other stuff like that. If your not for gay marriages does it mean you hate gays? No, depende yan sa tao so I it was an unfair statement by city although it was an indirect statement.

If he wanted this controversial topic to be more controversial? only the thread starter can answer that.

[zildjian]

Thats what am saying whats the connection of gay marriage with all this anti gay stuff, its only city that was posting about "god hates gays" and other stuff like that. If your not for gay marriages does it mean you hate gays? No, depende yan sa tao so I it was an unfair statement by city although it was an indirect statement.

If he wanted this controversial topic to be more controversial? only the thread starter can answer that.

i second the motion....

i'm not for gay marriages but i don't hate gays.

[city]

Thats what am saying whats the connection of gay marriage with all this anti gay stuff, its only city that was posting about "god hates gays" and other stuff like that. If your not for gay marriages does it mean you hate gays? No, depende yan sa tao so I it was an unfair statement by city although it was an indirect statement.

If he wanted this controversial topic to be more controversial? only the thread starter can answer that.

you still don't see the connection ha. can't see the big picture ha. I can't be of help. I'm really sorry.

[ts1n1ta]

wow. scorching thread!

anyway, for some people who said that we must refrain from quoting/using religion as a basis for answers here...well... that is quite impossible... First of all, religion is the basis for one's moral standing in the world. You base your decisions on your faith. And since the thread starter said that we should elaborate the answers, it's but natural that religion/the bible will come up.

Marriage is not just a legal contract.. it is a SACRAMENT.

And regarding homo***uals... bat may mga gays...it is not in the genes...maybe environment or lifestyle ang cause... but bottom line is, it is a DECISION kung baket nagiging gay ang isang tao.

[wren]

wow. scorching thread!

but bottom line is, it is a DECISION kung baket nagiging gay ang isang tao.

i have to respectfully disagree with you on this one madam tsinita. kasi if they have a choice, why would they choose a lifestyle where they are shun by society, discriminated upon, or killed just for being gay! for this reason, i tend to believe that they are who they are. just like me being butt ugly, they just can't help it . i had a friend who used to sing for our band (a Christian band at that). he was depressed and torn for many years kasi alam nyang gay sya pero he's also aware that it is a sin. once he came out of the closet, he was a much happier person, at peace with himself. of course, he had to move out of the church where he grew up in, and leave childhood friends, which was a shame.

[ts1n1ta]

i have to respectfully disagree with you on this one madam tsinita. kasi if they have a choice, why would they choose a lifestyle where they are shun by society, discriminated upon, or killed just for being gay! for this reason, i tend to believe that they are who they are. just like me being butt ugly, they just can't help it . i had a friend who used to sing for our band (a Christian band at that). he was depressed and torn for many years kasi alam nyang gay sya pero he's also aware that it is a sin. once he came out of the closet, he was a much happier person, at peace with himself. of course, he had to move out of the church where he grew up in, and leave childhood friends, which was a shame.

I see.... but, everything in life is a decision, sir. The greatest privelege God has given us : free will.

[wren]

I see.... but, everything in life is a decision, sir. The greatest privelege God has given us : free will.

we can't choose who we are, many things are out of our control. i have a child who's autistic. did i want her to be saddled with such illness? of course not, but it's who she is, that's how she's built. it's been challenging, but we'll love her just the same, if not more. i believe the same rings true with our gay friends, it's who they are, that's how they're built.

[ts1n1ta]

we can't choose who we are, many things are out of our control. i have a child who's autistic. did i want her to be saddled with such illness? of course not, but it's who she is, that's how she's built. it's been challenging, but we'll love her just the same, if not more. i believe the same rings true with our gay friends, it's who they are, that's how they're built.

OT. You know what kind of decision i meant, sir. Nde po literal sa kung inborn illness. Mejo malayo yung autism sa homo***uality. C'mon... All im saying is that a man who is gay chose to be gay. Chose to live as a gay person. I don't believe that it is how they've been built. It's just how they want to live. But anyway, i get your point. Im just saying what's on my mind.

[qman]

i have to respectfully disagree with you on this one madam tsinita. kasi if they have a choice, why would they choose a lifestyle where they are shun by society, discriminated upon, or killed just for being gay! for this reason, i tend to believe that they are who they are. just like me being butt ugly, they just can't help it . i had a friend who used to sing for our band (a Christian band at that). he was depressed and torn for many years kasi alam nyang gay sya pero he's also aware that it is a sin. once he came out of the closet, he was a much happier person, at peace with himself. of course, he had to move out of the church where he grew up in, and leave childhood friends, which was a shame.

the story strenghtens tsinitas argument your friend decided to be a gay.

paling ako sa tinuran ang pagiging badingerz ay desisyon, me kilala rin akong bading sa Saudi ng umuwi tinalikdan ang pagiging bading ngyon isa na syang tanyag na pastor lalaki na at pamilyado na rin

[wren]

the story strenghtens tsinitas argument your friend decided to be a gay.

paling ako sa tinuran ang pagiging badingerz ay desisyon, me kilala rin akong bading sa Saudi ng umuwi tinalikdan ang pagiging bading ngyon isa na syang tanyag na pastor lalaki na at pamilyado na rin

read my most recent post about the subject matter sir...obviously we differ in opinions as well.

[city]

i see how people can be misinformed.

AIDS come from gays or spread by?

Being gay is a decision?


All these misinformation leads me to believe that phils. is not ready for gay union/marriage. and the fact that the bible quoted homo***uality contradict god's plan or an abomination, and most filipinos are religious. This IMO shows how religion can affect a person's thinking and decision and see one person differently.

"Abhor the act not the person". For me, I don't see this in anyway possible, to be honest. If i did something wrong, people will surely hate me. because it's wrong. This draws the line between whoat wrong and what is right. What maybe wrong to some maybe right to some. Religion plays a big role in determining this dilemma but what is important in tring to draw the line, IMO, is how an act affects the whole.


I may have posted an unfair statement but I have not intended to offend anybody. At the back of my mind i have to know what most people think about this gay/lesbian marriage/union thing...and there I see it. I could have found out what I seek in a more unoffending way. I know. I have generalized and put words in other people's mouth as what most tsikoteers have observed. I'm trying to learn how not to. I'll engineer myself to avoid such....I have so much to learn from niky.

[cumbersome]

city:


All these misinformation leads me to believe that phils. is not ready for gay union/marriage...

Actually, it's a safe bet that the world is not ready for this considering that only four countries allow full gay marriage, with only a number offering legal recognition.

[city]

Actually, it's a safe bet that the world is not ready for this considering that only four countries allow full gay marriage, with only a number offering legal recognition.

yup.

[ILuvDetailing]

you still don't see the connection ha. can't see the big picture ha. I can't be of help. I'm really sorry.

Don't get me wrong, I know the connection... my point is don't post offensive stuff against them, indirectly or not.

[city]

Don't get me wrong, I know the connection... my point is don't post offensive stuff against them, indirectly or not.

Clear as the sun bro. I hope you won't mind me saying , please go direct to the point. I'd appreciate that.

[ILuvDetailing]

no problem

[stelvio]

I think its a bit pointless to be arguing about this issue, as most gays and lesbians in this country are not that hot about pushing gay marriage, at least compared with other countries. I salute those people who have taken a moderate stance re homo***uality, as extremism in any form is a sin, be it political or religious. Whenever you see trouble sparking in parts of the world, chances are an extremist group is behind it. There's a saying that those who are the most judgemental are the ones who are the most hypocritical. I find this particularly true. The most extreme gay-bashers tends to be members of the samahang macho crowd, the likes of Tulfo etc. Women's men kumbaga. I don't recall a verse in the bible that says one particular group of ***ual sinners would be allowed to jump the line ahead of other ***ual sinners to enter the gates of heaven. If we're going to strictly follow God's word, if you're having or had *** with someone who isn't your one and only wife, you're gonna burn in hell. This is the reason we shouldn't be pointing our fingers at others, because we're not any better than them. Don't Judge, Lest You Be Judged.

[4wrider]

There's one account that AIDS was a result of an unnatural act of bestiality. A homo***ual doing it with a monkey. In the same way, unnatural acts like sodomy caused the spread of HIV. Sodom together with Gomorrah were completely destroyed by God most likely to prevent the outbreak of and AIDS like disease that was endemic in the two cities.

If you believe the Bible there is no way you can see marriage other than between a man and a woman. That's just it, there are things that are absolute that to violate such is an abomination.

[niky]

There's one account that AIDS was a result of an unnatural act of bestiality. A homo***ual doing it with a monkey. In the same way, unnatural acts like sodomy caused the spread of HIV. Sodom together with Gomorrah were completely destroyed by God most likely to prevent the outbreak of and AIDS like disease that was endemic in the two cities.

If you believe the Bible there is no way you can see marriage other than between a man and a woman. That's just it, there are things that are absolute that to violate such is an abomination.

Ah... but you don't have to be gay to have anal ***. There are a lot of hetero***ual men who engage in anal ***.

And lesbian couples don't necessarily have anal ***. A lot of hetero couples do.

And a large part of HIV transmissions are from man to woman to man to... through prostitutes or multiple partners. It is not exclusive to the gay community.

Where do you people get the idea that homo***uality is the root of all STDs? If it were, we wouldn't have HIV positive prostitutes in the Philippines, now, would we?

Sodom and Gomorrah were supposedly destroyed by God because of sin. No mention is made in the Bible that he did it to save the world from AIDS (which was not known at the time) or herpes or leprosy or any such thing.

Marriage is not for Catholics only, otherwise Buddhists, Muslims, Jews and others wouldn't be able to marry. I don't personally live by the word of the Bible, but I treat other people as equals, try not to harm anyone, and am married to a woman I love. I'm faithful as hell, and have never consumated with another woman. I know a lot of Bible-thumpers who can't say the same.

The argument is, what's the legal impediment to marriage of homo***uals? Are we merely blocking it because we're a Catholic country that believes in the Bible? That's conveniently ignoring the large sub-population of Muslims, who allow multiple marriages (as long as the husband can support their wives), or the Communists, who've already performed one gay marriage ceremony in order to attract the sympathy of liberals (I don't think it worked, though. )

Carry on. Don't argue with the Bible, please... and think long and hard for good reasons why it shouldn't be so.