Pre-nup or no pre-nup

[Little Missy]

Meron naman annulment and legal separation for that. Soon Divorce law.

Punto ko lang is majority naman ng mag-asawa nagtatagal diba? Kaya for me I won't consider it. But I have no issues with those that wants pre-nup. Thier lives, their decision. Pero sa totoong nagmamahalan hindi dapat kasi pinag-uusapan sino mas mayaman.

For me mga mahinag foundation na relationship yung nagkaka-issue nang ganyan. Ibig sabihin either or both parties may baggage na dadalhin sa marraiage na hindi pa nareresolve. Kaya for me, ayusin muna yun prenup or without kasi yun naman magiging ugat niyan. Parang si Richard at Sarah Lahbati lang, hindi naman nakaalis sa bad influence ng nanay niya si Richard, yun problema nilang mag-asawa. Kung inayos yun bago kinasal, hindi mangyayari yang hiwalayan nila.

Dirty rotten, baggages.

Kaso mahabang process ang both annulment and legal separation and walang guarantee na makukuha ng isang spouse yung asset niya prior to marriage. Kung dadaan din pala sa rule of law eventually edi dun na sa guaranteed and pinakamadali - prenup.

Nandun na tayo sa nagmamahalan kaso minsan hindi lang silang dalawa ang involved, may mga inheritance and family business na mapapasok sa arrangement once they get married. Diyan na papasok ang mga family. Kung talagang nagmamahalan at gusto makasal, edi pumayag sa prenup para matahimik ang mga in laws.

Also, love is not enough. Masyadong weaponized na yang pagmamahal na kung hindi ka sacrificial hindi ka totoong nagmamahal. Mahalin muna ang sarili. Uso na din gamitin ang utak.




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[Walter]

Nope. Depends upon the person and his values. If you are confident about the partner you choose, why bother?

Thousands of separated couples had the same thinking during the honeymoon period ...

[Walter]

Just to make it clear before anyone here goes around with the misconception being discussed ... Cathy is NOT middle class ... the mere fact that the word "bloodline" is used is proof enough ...

[uls]

asset rich cash poor

[Walter]

asset rich cash poor

Needs better asset management ... sell some idle assets to generate cash flow and invest / diversy ... old "bloodline" mentality ... never sell and break up the land no matter what happens ... land stays with the family ... like the Duttons of Yellowstone ...

[dr. d]

Just to make it clear before anyone here goes around with the misconception being discussed ... Cathy is NOT middle class ... the mere fact that the word "bloodline" is used is proof enough ...

yeah,
"bloodline",
and "laguna".
heh heh.

but i am pleasantly surprised,
she washes her own cars.
akukasi, pinapa hosing-hosing ko lang kay manang.

[_Cathy_]

Just to make it clear before anyone here goes around with the misconception being discussed ... Cathy is NOT middle class ... the mere fact that the word "bloodline" is used is proof enough ...

By uls standards, we're not even middle class, we're poor [emoji23] But seriously, it's just that we've had some properties for literally more than a century. We prefer to sell within the family as well. But now prices of real estate have become so outrageous (in Makati grabe tinaas it's so hard to sell)

asset rich cash poor

either your relative agreed on the terms, ending the case with finality,
or they were still battling it over in court, when he finally succumbed to his humanity,
in which case, surviving spouse is considered still a legal spouse, and gets to inherit the proverbial "everything".
highs.

They are legally separated na since the 80s, kasi nagkaisip ako separated na Tita ko. My Tito passed in the 2000s.

yeah,
"bloodline",
and "laguna".
heh heh.

but i am pleasantly surprised,
she washes her own cars.
akukasi, pinapa hosing-hosing ko lang kay manang.

I'm cowboy doc. My Dad taught me how to clean cars in grade school. He said I can't own a car if I don't know how to clean it.

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[uls]

yeah,
"bloodline",
and "laguna".
heh heh.

but i am pleasantly surprised,
she washes her own cars.
akukasi, pinapa hosing-hosing ko lang kay manang.

she may clean her car

pero pag nasa loob ng bahay lahat de-utos

somebody brings her water

somebody brings her food

[n_spinner06]

This really affects the upper 1% siguro of the population sa pinas. The rest, kahit middle class, do not have much to split anyway. Easier pa nga separation sa mga mahihirap. They just go separate ways.[emoji16]

Concern lang to ng mga 1) self-made as previously mentioned who risk losing a significant portion of their wealth or 2) old money parents na magpapamana ng pera nila sa anak (and indirectly sa future in-law).

[Little Missy]

This really affects the upper 1% siguro of the population sa pinas. The rest, kahit middle class, do not have much to split anyway. Easier pa nga separation sa mga mahihirap. They just go separate ways.[emoji16]

I have a colleague who married young and matagal nang hiwalay. Ngayong 40s na siya ngayon siya nag process ng annulment pero denied. Reason niya is, at this age ngayon siya nakakapundar ng mga properties. Sa mata ng batas, her "husband" has rights sa assets niya. Eh may 2 siyang anak sa current partner (isang anak dun sa husband, bale 3 kids).

Depending on the situation, nagiging problem pa din ang pera even after hiwalayan.

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[n_spinner06]

I have a colleague who married young and matagal nang hiwalay. Ngayong 40s na siya ngayon siya nag process ng annulment pero denied. Reason niya is, at this age ngayon siya nakakapundar ng mga properties. Sa mata ng batas, her "husband" has rights sa assets niya. Eh may 2 siyang anak sa current partner (isang anak dun sa husband, bale 3 kids).

Depending on the situation, nagiging problem pa din ang pera even after hiwalayan.

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Di ba pwedeng legal separation na lang? Iirc, separate assets na pag legally separated. Di na kailangan annulment. Unless she wants to remarry, then same risk sakaling maghiwalay din sila nung current partner... Unless of course, prenup.

[Little Missy]

Mahirap lang sila nung naghiwalay ni walang pera pang pa-annul. Tapos one day yung isa nanalo sa lotto.

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[BratPAQ]

How long do you think the couple should wait after the proposal to negotiate about the prenup? Should it be settled even before any wedding plans was discussed?

I'm curious because the proposal is like "I love you..." but the prenup is "... but".

[xninjax]

How long do you think the couple should wait after the proposal to negotiate about the prenup? Should it be settled even before any wedding plans was discussed?

I'm curious because the proposal is like "I love you..." but the prenup is "... but".

I think it should be settled before any wedding plans.

[dr. d]

I think it should be settled before any wedding plans.

yes,
settle the prenup, before other plans.
sayang naman, kapag hindi matuloy ang kasal at nakapag-down na sa venue at tinatahi na ang traje de boda, dahil hindi katanggap-tanggap ang prenup details sa isa...

feel ko naman,
prenup is probably a good move, when larger corporations are involved, where a lot more other peoples' livelihoods are at steak than just the couple's.
but kung personal property lang nang bawat isa, malaki nga nguni at pinundar naman nila lang at wala nang iba, no need na. ano pakialam nang iba, 'no?

[boybi]

I am not sure if this is true, sabi ng isang nakausap kong lawyer, in the new Family Code, whatever assets the couple has before they tied the knot, will become conjugal property. Whatever they earned separately after the wedding, will not become part of the conjugal assets. Tama ba mga tsikot lawyers?

Ang pagkakaalam ko kasi dati baligtad e: Assets before wedding will not become conjugal.

[Little Missy]

I am not sure if this is true, sabi ng isang nakausap kong lawyer, in the new Family Code, whatever assets the couple has before they tied the knot, will become conjugal property. Whatever they earned separately after the wedding, will not become part of the conjugal assets. Tama ba mga tsikot lawyers?

Ang pagkakaalam ko kasi dati baligtad e: Assets before wedding will not become conjugal.

Na revise kasi dahil sa family code. Kapag yung kasal niyo until a certain year (1988 ata, not sure), old pa mag aapply. Kung ano assets niyo before marriage hindi conjugal.

Pero if yung kasal niyo after that year, mag aapply yung sa family code. Lahat ng assets niyo once you get married sa inyo na both.

Meron pa yung sa inheritance. Depende din kung kelan namatay yung original owner ng assets. Pag within marriage nung heir, kanya lang yun. Pero pag before marriage, magiging part ng conjugal property.

Again paki korek na lang din lol.

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[BratPAQ]

I am not sure if this is true, sabi ng isang nakausap kong lawyer, in the new Family Code, whatever assets the couple has before they tied the knot, will become conjugal property. Whatever they earned separately after the wedding, will not become part of the conjugal assets. Tama ba mga tsikot lawyers?

Ang pagkakaalam ko kasi dati baligtad e: Assets before wedding will not become conjugal.

Naririnig ko lang yan sa mana. Mana before marriage is conjugal, mana during marriage is not. I even heard the explanation and it made sense, just forgot.

[misseksaherada]

Agree ako sa pre-nup, hindi naman sa kawalan ng tiwala yun..
Same sa binanggit ni LM, lahat naman ng kasal nagsimula sa maganda, wala naman siguro nag-plano ng kasal para lang mag-fail din sa huli.. Kung pareho naman nagmamahalan, hindi ko alam bakit magiging issue ang pre-nup agreement..

OT: Ayaw ko din baguhin surname ko kapag nagpakasal na ako.. [emoji28]
Yung main topic pala, kailangan mayaman.. Hindi po ako mayaman pero agree ako sa pre-nup..

[shadow]

Marriage is a contract so walang issue dapat pag nag pre-nup.

Kung ma offend yun isang party eh problema nila yun but you have to protect yourself always.


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