Annulment..

[5000rpm]

Good day.. do you have any idea if the catholic churches here in the philippines have centralized records of their documents? I just would like to know if for example I got married in Sto domingo church in QC, will Manila Cathedral in Intramuros also have a record?

I asked this because my girlfriend had just finished her annulment civilly.. and was suppose to undergo the process of church annulment, but we felt that what the church was asking for is kinda too much, not about the cost, but the requirements that they were asking..

That lead me thinking to IF, and i am hoping, the church does not have centralized records, then maybe we can get married in a different church?

[Lew_Alcindor]

Yes they have a centralized record.

I suggest not doing the church annulment. It is the most difficult thing to do. Mauubos lang oras niyo jan. Pari kausap niyo jan, hindi mga attorney.

I dont get the point of marrying her in a church in another location but same sect. Doing so is obviously against the teaching of that church (or in any religion for that matter) and you do not want to start your married life by cheating, right?

[5000rpm]

Garden or beach wedding with a priest will also be considered as church wedding right?

[Juan Martinez]

Garden or beach wedding with a priest will also be considered as church wedding right?

that's right.
but without the certificate of finality (i don't want to rain in your parade though), no local civil registrar in his right mind will issue a marriage license if to his knowledge there is a legal impediment between the parties to contract marriage.

[5000rpm]

*Juan Martinez

Thank you for the detailed reply.. but as confirmed by sir Lew on his previous post, churches have centralized records of their documents, thus evey marriage made will be documented.. I would like to clarify sir, you have mentioned that if we already have the certificate of finality, we no longer need to file annulment with the church, and we can get married. But will this cause any problem if we did decide to have a church wedding? I get the point of sir Lew with regards to this matter, but I also want to know if there will be any problems legally that could come up?

[Lew_Alcindor]

*Juan Martinez

Thank you for the detailed reply.. but as confirmed by sir Lew on his previous post, churches have centralized records of their documents, thus evey marriage made will be documented.. I would like to clarify sir, you have mentioned that if we already have the certificate of finality, we no longer need to file annulment with the church, and we can get married. But will this cause any problem if we did decide to have a church wedding? I get the point of sir Lew with regards to this matter, but I also want to know if there will be any problems legally that could come up?

AFAIK, the law doesnt care if your marriage is not annulled under the church. Ang mahalaga, annulled siya/ikaw sa ilalim ng batas ng Pilipinas.

BUT kung hindi ka annulled sa ilalim ng batas ng simbahan, hindi ka pwede pakasal uli sa kanila.

To summarize: Annulled sa ilalim ng batas ng Pilipinas pero hindi sa simbahan --> pwede pakasal uli pero hindi pwede sa same church/religion.

I get that you want a church wedding, but you have to face the reality na mahirap magpa-annul sa Catholic Church. Si Mega Star Sharon nga hindi ata umubra sa RC church eh. Santo Papa ang nag-aannul ng RC marriage.

[Juan Martinez]

*Juan Martinez

Thank you for the detailed reply.. but as confirmed by sir Lew on his previous post, churches have centralized records of their documents, thus evey marriage made will be documented.. I would like to clarify sir, you have mentioned that if we already have the certificate of finality, we no longer need to file annulment with the church, and we can get married. But will this cause any problem if we did decide to have a church wedding? I get the point of sir Lew with regards to this matter, but I also want to know if there will be any problems legally that could come up?

tama si kareem abdul -jabbar a.k.a. lew alcindor.

separation of church and state-- render unto cesar what are cesar's.

your gf needs to obtain annulment decree from the ecclesiastical tribunal of the roman catholic church before the two of you could walk in the aisle of the church and tie the knot.

but, if you can't wait that tedious process, why not go to the judge or the municipal mayor in your place? love isn't picky and marriage is no less holy because it wasn't solemnized by a priest. plus, you can choose wherever you want to get married-- beach or garden-- so long as it is within the territorial jurisdiction of the judge or mayor.

and, if i may add, priests, because many tend to sow their wild oats on the wayside, are endangered species. they are on the firing line now, and nobody wants within the proximity of that line.

[Lew_Alcindor]

Garden or beach wedding with a priest will also be considered as church wedding right?

Wedding on a beach is a beach wedding. If in a garden, that is a garden wedding. Get the drift???

If both of you are Catholics, the Catholic church does not allow their priests to officiate a wedding outside of a church/chapel.

Might as well shift to another religion if you insist on a wedding with a religious ceremony (can be in a church or garden or beach)

Or pakasal na lang sa judge.

[_Cathy_]

Wedding on a beach is a beach wedding. If in a garden, that is a garden wedding. Get the drift???

If both of you are Catholics, the Catholic church does not allow their priests to officiate a wedding outside of a church/chapel.

Might as well shift to another religion if you insist on a wedding with a religious ceremony (can be in a church or garden or beach)

Or pakasal na lang sa judge.

This is the same thing that my family told me. The Roman Catholic church does not allow weddings outside the Church/chapel.

Kaya yung mga beach and garden wedding, hindi Roman Catholic yan.

To summarize: Annulled sa ilalim ng batas ng Pilipinas pero hindi sa simbahan --> pwede pakasal uli pero hindi pwede sa same church/religion.

I get that you want a church wedding, but you have to face the reality na mahirap magpa-annul sa Catholic Church. Si Mega Star Sharon nga hindi ata umubra sa RC church eh. Santo Papa ang nag-aannul ng RC marriage.

+1000

I went out with a guy who is annuled. My friends discouraged me because they said "hindi ka pwede pakasalan sa simbahan" I had no idea back then na iba pa ang annulment ng civil sa RC. When I asked him he said, napakahirap nga daw pa annul sa RC.

[ice15]

I agree with the earlier posts...

Just "temporarily" change religion to protestant and get married in a beach or garden... something Catholics cannot do.

Technically, Catholics are also technically not allowed to have Civil wedding... hence binabago nila religion ng lalaki para the marriage can take place.

[Ry_Tower]

This is the same thing that my family told me. The Roman Catholic church does not allow weddings outside the Church/chapel.

Kaya yung mga beach and garden wedding, hindi Roman Catholic yan.



+1000

I went out with a guy who is annuled. My friends discouraged me because they said "hindi ka pwede pakasalan sa simbahan" I had no idea back then na iba pa ang annulment ng civil sa RC. When I asked him he said, napakahirap nga daw pa annul sa RC.

Pwede wedding administered by a RC priest outside the church. Ate ko garden wedding eh, bayaw ko naman beach wedding ngayong July.

Papaalam ka lang sa parokya niyo para sa sched ng kasal.

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[5000rpm]

Wedding on a beach is a beach wedding. If in a garden, that is a garden wedding. Get the drift???

If both of you are Catholics, the Catholic church does not allow their priests to officiate a wedding outside of a church/chapel.

Might as well shift to another religion if you insist on a wedding with a religious ceremony (can be in a church or garden or beach)

Or pakasal na lang sa judge.

Sorry, what i meant to say is will a beach or garden wedding be the same as church wedding in terms of the documents or whatever, since I thought wedding on a beach or garden is also facilitated by a priest, a catholic that is.. thanks for clearing that up..

[minicarph]

Wedding on a beach is a beach wedding. If in a garden, that is a garden wedding. Get the drift???

If both of you are Catholics, the Catholic church does not allow their priests to officiate a wedding outside of a church/chapel.

Might as well shift to another religion if you insist on a wedding with a religious ceremony (can be in a church or garden or beach)

Or pakasal na lang sa judge.

O pakasal na lang kayo sa Las Vegas official din naman yun libre mo na lang close friends and family sa 1 week stay sa bellagio, kaysa mag engrande pa dito.

Total 2nd marriage na naman yan

[Walter]

If both of you are Catholics, the Catholic church does not allow their priests to officiate a wedding outside of a church/chapel.

Except for some very well connected people ...

[Juan Martinez]

Good day.. do you have any idea if the catholic churches here in the philippines have centralized records of their documents? I just would like to know if for example I got married in Sto domingo church in QC, will Manila Cathedral in Intramuros also have a record?

I asked this because my girlfriend had just finished her annulment civilly.. and was suppose to undergo the process of church annulment, but we felt that what the church was asking for is kinda too much, not about the cost, but the requirements that they were asking..

That lead me thinking to IF, and i am hoping, the church does not have centralized records, then maybe we can get married in a different church?

you need to get the CERTIFICATE OF FINALITY from the court that renders as annulled the marriage of your gf.

the significance of the issuance of this certificate of finality is that, the office of the solicitor general (OSG) did not appeal to the court of appeals the decision of the regional trial court annuling your gf's marriage.

under the rules, the OSG has 10 days from receipt of the rtc decision to file an appeal or to file a motion for reconsideration.

if the OSG has filed an appeal or it has filed a motion for reconsideration, the decision annuling your gf's marriage has not attained finality. thus, she cannot marry yet.

if there is already a certificate of finality either because the OSG did not file an appeal or even if it filed but the decision of the rtc was upheld by the appellate court, you need not file an annulment with the church for you and your girlfriend to get married.

[teukie]

Marriage is supposed to be a lifetime commitment. If you want out, you should not do it again. Once should be enough to learn the hard lessons. But this is just my personal view.

Shine the light

[dr. d]

Marriage is supposed to be a lifetime commitment. If you want out, you should not do it again. Once should be enough to learn the hard lessons. But this is just my personal view.

Shine the light

if the reason was "psychological incapacity" on one's part, then i would agree with you.
heh heh.

[teukie]

if the reason was "psychological incapacity" on one's part, then i would agree with you.
heh heh.

But isn't psychological capacity the most common reason for annulment? We should make neuro exam a pre-requisite for marriage.

Shine the light

[teukie]

Edit: Neuro-psychiatric exam...

Apologies, I don't know how to edit my post.

But isn't psychological capacity the most common reason for annulment? We should make neuro exam a pre-requisite for marriage.

Shine the light

Shine the light

[dr. d]

But isn't psychological capacity the most common reason for annulment?

Shine the light

probably because it is the more nebulous reason.