Mineral , semi synthetic or fully synthetic?

[midnytwarrior]

*midnytwarrior: Actually since you already use FS oil, that's good enough for 12 months na. Low mileage car din ang sa amin. Driven less than 2,500 km per year. We use FS oil and oil change interval is every 12 months. Of course, wala naman masama if you want to change oil every 6 months kahit FS oil na gamit mo, unnecessary cost nga lang.

As mentioned, baka hinde pa umabot ng 500KM yun sasakyan by the end of the year. Most ng mga experience ko lalo na pag low mileage ang saksayan (although with mineral oils) eh mas nagkaka-sludge. Kaya for peace of mind, 3 months. And if hinde pa talaga mag aral mag drive yun kids at wifey ko baka next na byahe ng sasakyan eh 7 KMs(distance from house to casa) by September.

How do we reconcile that with Honda's recommended OCI at 10k kms or 6 months using Genuine Honda Oil (GHO). GHO not being specific as to mineral, SS or FS. The SA will give an automatic quote using FS but will use Mineral if the client says so and will still send you off with a smile and reminder to see you till the next 10k kms or 6 months.

Happened in my case, and the mineral oil used was even SL rated while the manual says minimum SM. I did not know these technicalities before.

Follow what is recommended oil in the manual. If hinde naka indicate ang SL (atleast) and SM and/or above ang recommended then the manufacturer wants or recommends that specific API rating. Last experience ko, when I called the SA who attended my car(take note long distance call), nun tinanong ko if nakapagbukas na sya ng makina eh hinde makasagot. Meaning most SA nowadays (I'm not saying all) are for selling/marketing.

Whether you use the car or not, oil that's in your engine inevitably gets contaminated, and that contamination breaks down the oil, reducing its lubricating capabilities.

As has been said above, you cannot compare US miles with local miles - our traffic and climate conditions are much more severe than what they experience there.

Noone's stopping you from your once a year oil change, but I've talked to many mechanics who've said that they've seen much dirtier low-mileage engines than those that are daily driven, simply because owners think that they don't need to change their oil regularly because they rack up very few kilometers annually.

Sa akin sir hinde lang via talking to a mechanic; but personal experiences na rin.

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*midnytwarrior: Actually since you already use FS oil, that's good enough for 12 months na. Low mileage car din ang sa amin. Driven less than 2,500 km per year. We use FS oil and oil change interval is every 12 months. Of course, wala naman masama if you want to change oil every 6 months kahit FS oil na gamit mo, unnecessary cost nga lang.

As mentioned, baka hinde pa umabot ng 500KM yun sasakyan by the end of the year. Most ng mga experience ko lalo na pag low mileage ang saksayan (although with mineral oils) eh mas nagkaka-sludge. Kaya for peace of mind, 3 months. And if hinde pa talaga mag aral mag drive yun kids at wifey ko baka next na byahe ng sasakyan eh 7 KMs(distance from house to casa) by September.

How do we reconcile that with Honda's recommended OCI at 10k kms or 6 months using Genuine Honda Oil (GHO). GHO not being specific as to mineral, SS or FS. The SA will give an automatic quote using FS but will use Mineral if the client says so and will still send you off with a smile and reminder to see you till the next 10k kms or 6 months.

Happened in my case, and the mineral oil used was even SL rated while the manual says minimum SM. I did not know these technicalities before.

Follow what is recommended oil in the manual. If hinde naka indicate ang SL (atleast) and SM and/or above ang recommended then the manufacturer wants or recommends that specific API rating. Last experience ko, when I called the SA who attended my car(take note long distance call), nun tinanong ko if nakapagbukas na sya ng makina eh hinde makasagot. Meaning most SA nowadays (I'm not saying all) are for selling/marketing.

Whether you use the car or not, oil that's in your engine inevitably gets contaminated, and that contamination breaks down the oil, reducing its lubricating capabilities.

As has been said above, you cannot compare US miles with local miles - our traffic and climate conditions are much more severe than what they experience there.

Noone's stopping you from your once a year oil change, but I've talked to many mechanics who've said that they've seen much dirtier low-mileage engines than those that are daily driven, simply because owners think that they don't need to change their oil regularly because they rack up very few kilometers annually.

Sa akin sir hinde lang via talking to a mechanic; but personal experiences na rin.

[StockEngine]

i'm about to have my 10K pms soon for the hilux. planning to switch to FS, if i have the oil change at 20K do i need to change the oil filter * 15K?
though it's not daily driven, mostly from cainta to san juan/qc and forth routes(short trips?)but it's the traffic somewhat i worried most.
idk if i can call it a low mileage car, 10K at around 1.5yrs?

If you opt for fs on the 10k service, Toyota will ask you to come back on the 15k for oil filter change and top off. Top off is usually less than one liter. You can opt for mineral oil. I think someone will contradict me here lol.

There are two kinds of maintenance interval. Normal duty(normal condition) and severe duty(severe condition). If you open your owners manual, you will find what usage you have. Philippine traffic falls under severe.

[benchman]

If you opt for fs on the 10k service, Toyota will ask you to come back on the 15k for oil filter change and top off. Top off is usually less than one liter. You can opt for mineral oil.

yes sir that's exactly what the SA told, to go back at 15k for the filter change then top off. so do i really have to? i'm leaning towards the fs though.

[StockEngine]

yes sir that's exactly what the SA told, to go back at 15k for the filter change then top off. so do i really have to? i'm leaning towards the fs though.

For top off you can opt fs bro. Keep the remaining bottle they wont use 1liter.

[benchman]

noted sir, thank you!

[StockEngine]

Tama yung 10,000 kms or once a year. Pag nag back read kayo sa first 100 page magaling advice nung dvldoc naexplain ng maayos.

Pati yung redlantern na malakas mang-gagoh sa miscellaneou talk, in fairness maayos yung advice pag dating sa engine oil

Relatives ko negosyo sa taxi business, rent a car, may sariling talyer. Advice sa akin pag private car 10,000 kms or once year sa gasoline. Sa diesel mas maaga kaya sa innova mga 10,000kms or 6months palit ko na. Sa relatives ko natutunan yung fleetguard, baldwin, donaldson at fram ultra pag galing america nabibigyan ako. Kaya pati 370z kapatid ko naka heavy duty oil filter na din. Ayaw na gumamit ng vic

Mas magaling pa kayo sa manufacturer and oil companies...hehehe

[amoyligo]

Mas magaling pa kayo sa manufacturer and oil companies...hehehe

Kailangan talaga magaling ka mag-isip sa mga yan. Kasi mahirap mabola lalo na dito sa pilipinas exaggerated oil change interval lalo na hyundai casa. Gusto lang ng manufacturer at oil companies oil change palagi kahit hindi naman kailangan.

Oo nga pala yung sa relatives ko 20 years na sa business na taxi, rent a car and talyer. Innova diesel ko pala 150,000kms total kilometers every 10,000kms palit oil or 6months. Yung cefiro ko once a year oil change kasi less hindi abot 10,000 kilometers. 180,000 total kilometers.

[maki mi]

Yeah, like the article I read somewhere.. the more visits you make to the dealership, the more chances they have to sell you more products/services you don't need.

Sakto rin si midnytwarrior that the SA or Service Advisor has transitioned to Sales Advisor. Malaki ata ang incentive ng X-1R additives

Kailangan talaga magaling ka mag-isip sa mga yan. Kasi mahirap mabola lalo na dito sa pilipinas exaggerated oil change interval lalo na hyundai casa. Gusto lang ng manufacturer at oil companies oil change palagi kahit hindi naman kailangan.

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Yeah, like the article I read somewhere.. the more visits you make to the dealership, the more chances they have to sell you more products/services you don't need.

Sakto rin si midnytwarrior that the SA or Service Advisor has transitioned to Sales Advisor. Malaki ata ang incentive ng X-1R additives

Kailangan talaga magaling ka mag-isip sa mga yan. Kasi mahirap mabola lalo na dito sa pilipinas exaggerated oil change interval lalo na hyundai casa. Gusto lang ng manufacturer at oil companies oil change palagi kahit hindi naman kailangan.

[miko101130]

pwede naman i-extend talaga oil change interval, pero sa mga data i have read sa mga trucking at engine forums abroad, where the fleets conducts oil testing programs, after the 10,000km mark, for every additional 5,000kms after 10,000 kms, the engine wear metals doubles. after 10,000kms the increase in wear metal particles becomes exponential.

it becomes like double jeopardy, wherein you increase the interval with the incentive of saving money, but the risk of wear becomes very high, up until a point its already not worth the risk.

the driving conditions here in the country is punishing to any oil. hot climate most of the year, heavy traffic, stop and go, lots of idling, short distances traveled from time of start etc.

[StockEngine]

So one guy wants to replace fs engine oil 4x a year kasi naka store ang car.

☺😊😀😁😂😃😄

[midnytwarrior]

So one guy wants to replace fs engine oil 4x a year kasi naka store ang car.

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Yep, that's me.

Like in one of my previous post po sir, sa akin lang po yun at not to be taken as gospel. I want to do it because I want to. Otherwise, once my family starts using the car, then of course as per what the manual states.

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So one guy wants to replace fs engine oil 4x a year kasi naka store ang car.

☺😊😀😁😂😃😄

Yep, that's me.

Like in one of my previous post po sir, sa akin lang po yun at not to be taken as gospel. I want to do it because I want to. Otherwise, once my family starts using the car, then of course as per what the manual states.

[StockEngine]

Yep, that's me.

Like in one of my previous post po sir, sa akin lang po yun at not to be taken as gospel. I want to do it because I want to. Otherwise, once my family starts using the car, then of course as per what the manual states.

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Yep, that's me.

Like in one of my previous post po sir, sa akin lang po yun at not to be taken as gospel. I want to do it because I want to. Otherwise, once my family starts using the car, then of course as per what the manual states.

Bro nothing wrong with your maintenance. Mas gugustuhin ko bilhin sasakyan mo kesa sa mga hindi sumusunod ng tamang oil change interval. Hahahah

[StockEngine]

pwede naman i-extend talaga oil change interval, pero sa mga data i have read sa mga trucking at engine forums abroad, where the fleets conducts oil testing programs, after the 10,000km mark, for every additional 5,000kms after 10,000 kms, the engine wear metals doubles. after 10,000kms the increase in wear metal particles becomes exponential.

it becomes like double jeopardy, wherein you increase the interval with the incentive of saving money, but the risk of wear becomes very high, up until a point its already not worth the risk.

the driving conditions here in the country is punishing to any oil. hot climate most of the year, heavy traffic, stop and go, lots of idling, short distances traveled from time of start etc.

Learn more here: Machinery Lubrication Magazine

Search for extended interval

Almost 500 articles regarding said topic.

One thing common is following manufacturer recommendations. Hahaha

[amoyligo]

After 10,000 kms ibang usapan na.

Pero mas maaga jan eh pera nyo naman sinasayang nyo.

Hindi ko din maintindihan bakit overzealous magadvice yung iba dito parang ahente ng casa.

[red_one]

After 10,000 kms ibang usapan na.

Pero mas maaga jan eh pera nyo naman sinasayang nyo.

Hindi ko din maintindihan bakit overzealous magadvice yung iba dito parang ahente ng casa.

+1. Napansin ko na agressive mga tao dito sa thread. Mas mabuti pa sa Detailing thread, much friendlier.

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After 10,000 kms ibang usapan na.

Pero mas maaga jan eh pera nyo naman sinasayang nyo.

Hindi ko din maintindihan bakit overzealous magadvice yung iba dito parang ahente ng casa.

+1. Napansin ko na agressive mga tao dito sa thread. Mas mabuti pa sa Detailing thread, much friendlier.

[Ry_Tower]

After 10,000 kms ibang usapan na.

Pero mas maaga jan eh pera nyo naman sinasayang nyo.

Hindi ko din maintindihan bakit overzealous magadvice yung iba dito parang ahente ng casa.

Baka may stock options sa mga oil company.

[jut703]

Baka may stock options sa mga oil company.

Meron nga. [emoji12]

Though of course I couldn't care less if people decided to ditch twice a year OCIs for annual OCIs instead. Their car, their rules.

Basta nakasulat naman sa manual yung manufacturer's recommended OCI. May description din dun kung ano ang severe driving conditions. Kumbaga yun na yung reseta nung doktor, if you wanna self medicate and deviate from it (either with more frequent or much longer OCIs), then that's your call.

[amoyligo]

Baka may stock options sa mga oil company.

stock options = stock engine :tongue:

Kasi napansin ko sa tsikot may mga thread na nagpapangap "car owners" pero halatang ahente or tindero. Mahina ba sales ngayon kaya takutan ?

[jaggerx3]

I still change oil every 5K kms using ZIC RV. Which 4-5 months lang na takbuhan sa akin. Ibang iba ang oil lalo sa diesel pag nag 5K kms na.
Kahit naka Baldwin ako i still changr oil and filter every 5k kms

[fireice2]

I still change oil every 5K kms using ZIC RV. Which 4-5 months lang na takbuhan sa akin. Ibang iba ang oil lalo sa diesel pag nag 5K kms na.
Kahit naka Baldwin ako i still changr oil and filter every 5k kms

Matagal na nadebunk yang 5,000 kms ~ 3,100 mile oil change interval. Unnecessary expenses that resulted from scare tactics of dealers and lube shops. Impossible din walang improvements sa engine oils para withstand stress ng severe driving conditions. Just follow manufacturer specified intervals and you'll be fine.

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I still change oil every 5K kms using ZIC RV. Which 4-5 months lang na takbuhan sa akin. Ibang iba ang oil lalo sa diesel pag nag 5K kms na.
Kahit naka Baldwin ako i still changr oil and filter every 5k kms

Matagal na nadebunk yang 5,000 kms ~ 3,100 mile oil change interval. Unnecessary expenses that resulted from scare tactics of dealers and lube shops. Impossible din walang improvements sa engine oils para withstand stress ng severe driving conditions. Just follow manufacturer specified intervals and you'll be fine.