Synthetic VS. Mineral

[erick_214]

[SIZE="3"]Elow Guyz...Have a Q here...

Which of the two would you prefer?

1) Using a SYNTHETIC oil and have an oil change every 10,000 Km
2) Using a MINERAL oil and have an oil change every 5,000 Km

????

Which of the two will give a better protection to your engine?

Comments and suggestions are highly appreciated...

TIA...[/SIZE]

[PSI]

i'll go for the full synthetic and change it after 10k or 6mos which ever comes first......

[batangtalyer]

synthetic pre,..

[OldSchoolHack]

Synthetic can last for 12 months in newer and better engines. However some engines work better with a 3 month replacement cycle. Sa Honda City namin we change once a year with synthetic (Mobil 1) and odo reading of 12k+ lapsed.

Sa gasoline synthetic oil definitely mainam. Sa diesel the 3 month replacement cycle works better. Kung marami kang pera go synthetic pero ako budget kaya mineral na lang sa diesel.

Ultimately check your car manual as to what is the suggested oil and frequency of changing oil.

[erick_214]

[SIZE=3]Ok guys...thanks for you inputs...but I need more explanation for my question...

Parang ganito kasi...

kung sakaling mineral oil ang gamit d b change siya in 4,000-5,000 km? Tapos pag synthetic naman 8,000-10,000 km? Ngayon pag sa synthetic sa layo ng tinakbo eh parang nadodoble yung dami ng dumi sa oil na kung i-kukumpara sa mineral eh mas konti lang yung dumi dahil mas short yung distance travelled...

Pagdating naman sa lubrication/engine protection gaano ba kalayo ang difference ng synthetic sa mineral?

Kaya guyz...please further elaborate on this?

TIA ulet...[/SIZE]

[A121]

Any type of oil should be changed after 5000km or 3 months of abuse.

[tip_tipid]

Oil change interval will depend on the condition of the engine and of the oil. The type of engine and it's tolerance has to be taken into account.

[jick.cejoco]

[SIZE=3]Ok guys...thanks for you inputs...but I need more explanation for my question...

Parang ganito kasi...

kung sakaling mineral oil ang gamit d b change siya in 4,000-5,000 km? Tapos pag synthetic naman 8,000-10,000 km? Ngayon pag sa synthetic sa layo ng tinakbo eh parang nadodoble yung dami ng dumi sa oil na kung i-kukumpara sa mineral eh mas konti lang yung dumi dahil mas short yung distance travelled...

Pagdating naman sa lubrication/engine protection gaano ba kalayo ang difference ng synthetic sa mineral?

Kaya guyz...please further elaborate on this?

TIA ulet...[/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]your car should have come with an owner's manual. in it, the service intervals are specified as to the time/mileage due. this guide tells you it is the maximum service interval for your fluids with the least wear and tear assuming your engine is neither running too hot nor too cold (overcooled engine). the mineral oil to this time is API service SM or protection level has been dramatically increased since the SD oils of the '70's. additives to the oil like corrosion inhibitors, detergent, friction modifiers and dispersants have been improved. the sulfur content had been reduced too (sulfur in your oil mixed with moisture by heat and agitation-results in acids in your oil). the synthetics have no or very little sulfur in them. it is still better to change your oil at the recommended intervals. just like your bath tub, you would not want to soak in the same tub of water over and over. in the same token, it is pointless to change oil too frequently aside from reducing waste and for a greener earth.[/SIZE]

[lazyfoot]

Synthetic definitely gives better protection than mineral, especially true with most engines today that operate on a higher temperature range than few decades back. Yes, it will look dirty since the intervals between change is a bit longer but it is mostly just the color of the oil. The oil filter usually removes the particles that can do major damage in the engine.

[10323015]

[SIZE=3]Ok guys...thanks for you inputs...but I need more explanation for my question...[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Parang ganito kasi...[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]kung sakaling mineral oil ang gamit d b change siya in 4,000-5,000 km? Tapos pag synthetic naman 8,000-10,000 km? Ngayon pag sa synthetic sa layo ng tinakbo eh parang nadodoble yung dami ng dumi sa oil na kung i-kukumpara sa mineral eh mas konti lang yung dumi dahil mas short yung distance travelled...[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Pagdating naman sa lubrication/engine protection gaano ba kalayo ang difference ng synthetic sa mineral?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Kaya guyz...please further elaborate on this?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]TIA ulet...[/SIZE]

synthetics generally have more detergents than mineral oil, and your idea re. mas malayong biyahe = mas madaming dumi sa oil, doesn't hold much water. kasi, as what i've just said, has more detergents to combat impurities (and more). also, short distance driving is not good for the oil as it dilutes it with fuel. fuel dilution lowers oil viscosity etc. etc.

sythetics, in general, have more dispersants, have better working temperatures, retains viscosity better (for multi viscosity grades), have more rust inhibitors, has tougher oil film strength, basically almost better at everything, than your usual mineral oil.

for lubrication and protection, again, generally, sythetics have the edge.

but oil application really depends on how you will use the car.

if you'll just bog, say 3k kms in a span of 6 months, a good mineral oil would suffice.

if you travel a lot and 10k kms is easy, sythetics is a good (and economical) way to go.

the more important factor to consider is the viscosity and oil change intervals, factoring engine condition, age, and type (naturally aspirated or forced induced)

for f.i. apps, use only sythetics, and replace them at 6 months interval.

for diesel engines, you can use either mineral or sythetic, pero you have to change it sooner. (3 months for mineral, 6 months for sythetic)

for mineral oil, 3-6 months, or 5k kms is a good gauge.

for sythetics, 6-12 months, or 10k++ kms.

get a good quality oil filter. oem is best. vic too.

you can't judge the oil condition by its color. for all i know, if the oil changes its color after just several kms of driving, it's just doing its job, and it's doing it very well. i'll be more alarmed if it doesn't change color actually.

[erick_214]

[SIZE="3"]OK guys..thanks sa mga inouts nyong lahat...

I guess I can really prolong the use of my syn oil like for 7,000 to 8,000km

for my diesel engine...

Have anyone of you tried to use syn oil for 12,000km in a diesel engine..?

Or even up to 15,000km?

Kasi sa company ng friend ko ang change oil interval ng company cars nila eh

hanggang 10,000km using mineral oils...Wala naman daw nagiging prob sa

mga cars nila...(Kasi til 10yrs lang binebenta na nila sasakyan eh)

So tingin niyo advisable bang gamitin yung syn oil for up to 12,000km to

15,000km..?

TIA ulet...[/SIZE]

[ghosthunter]

[SIZE="3"]Elow Guyz...Have a Q here...

Which of the two would you prefer?

1) Using a SYNTHETIC oil and have an oil change every 10,000 Km
2) Using a MINERAL oil and have an oil change every 5,000 Km

????

Which of the two will give a better protection to your engine?

Comments and suggestions are highly appreciated...

TIA...[/SIZE]

Generally I prefer mineral oil and change oil every 5000km. Why? It is not that the oil is wearing out. You are removing the accumulated dirt and contaminations from the engine.

[cocoy]

yup.. i agree.. thats why i even change oil every 2 months.. regardless of the Kilometers. and by using valvoline heavy duty diesel oil.. it cost P1500 per oil change.. that includes labor and oil filter,

another question that i do have. is why hasnt the filter technology improved.. so that it can still filter oil at 10k kms?as for now oil filters for mineral and synthetic are the same..
shouldnt there be a difference? could be wrong? hmmm

[ghosthunter]

another question that i do have. is why hasnt the filter technology improved.. so that it can still filter oil at 10k kms?as for now oil filters for mineral and synthetic are the same..
shouldnt there be a difference? could be wrong? hmmm

I think its because you can only improve a design so much. Beyond a certain point, you will just increase it's complexity and cost without major increases in function or benefits.

An oil filter is simply a device used to separate the impurity or dirt from the motor oil. The dirt and other impurities are stored inside the filter until it is replaced by a fresh filter.

So, a brand new filter will NOT flow oil at the same rate as one that have been used for 5000km even if it's designed for 10,000km of use. Given that oil fiters are cheap, it would be much better to replace one than get an "extended use" oil filter.

[jick.cejoco]

[SIZE=4]your car should have come with an owner's manual. in it, the service intervals are specified as to the time/mileage due. this guide tells you it is the maximum service interval for your fluids with the least wear and tear assuming your engine is neither running too hot nor too cold (overcooled engine). the mineral oil to this time is API service SM or protection level has been dramatically increased since the SD oils of the '70's. additives to the oil like corrosion inhibitors, detergent, friction modifiers and dispersants have been improved. the sulfur content had been reduced too (sulfur in your oil mixed with moisture by heat and agitation-results in acids in your oil). the synthetics have no or very little sulfur in them. it is still better to change your oil at the recommended intervals. just like your bath tub, you would not want to soak in the same tub of water over and over. in the same token, it is pointless to change oil too frequently aside from reducing waste and for a greener earth.[/SIZE]

even if you soak yourself in evian or perrier in a tub, it ain't evian nor perrier no mo' once it is contaminated. yomsayin'. change your oil regularly as per manufacturer's recommendation.