E10 gasoline on carb engines [MERGED THREADS]

[shauskie]

First have your carb jets checked for erosion.

Next, check what gasoline stations you have nearby.

The following are without-E10 gasolines:
Total = Pro-Tech
Petron = Blaze

added:
phoenix gas station - all variant pure gas pa rin
jetti - meron silang lane for e-10 only- regular unleaded lang.

[chinesecarebear]

i have b2200 pick-up but it's gas fed. since luma narin naman na yun engine i'm planning to change my engine to WLT-31. mas tolerant ang diesel engines sa enthanol blended fuels.

as mention earlier, yes, mas madalas ka magpapalit ng fuel filter kasi daming contents na babara. the fuel lines harden na nung gumamit ako ng E10. pero the ride is still running good as of now. pero yun ibang effect ng na masisira yun carb hindi ko pa naeencounter, but i always take a good always and check it up every month kung may changes.

[ghosthunter]

i have b2200 pick-up but it's gas fed. since luma narin naman na yun engine i'm planning to change my engine to WLT-31. mas tolerant ang diesel engines sa enthanol blended fuels.

Just a correction, "ethanol" is only used for blending with gasoline. Bio-diesel is the one used to blend with regular diesel fuel.

[duskylim]

i have b2200 pick-up but it's gas fed. since luma narin naman na yun engine i'm planning to change my engine to WLT-31. mas tolerant ang diesel engines sa enthanol blended fuels.

as mention earlier, yes, mas madalas ka magpapalit ng fuel filter kasi daming contents na babara. the fuel lines harden na nung gumamit ako ng E10. pero the ride is still running good as of now. pero yun ibang effect ng na masisira yun carb hindi ko pa naeencounter, but i always take a good always and check it up every month kung may changes.

Hi carebear:

Whether a BIODIESEL contains methanol (methyl alcohol - CH3OH) or ethanol (ethyl alcohol - C2H5OH) depends upon the exact process used to make it.

Most BIO-DIESEL's are either methyl or ethyl ESTERs.

That is they are blends of a very strong base (usually sodium hydroxide NaOH) added to an anhydrous absolute alcohol (that is a water-free alcohol) and a fatty acid - the "bio-oil" (coconut, rape seed, soybean, etc.) of choice.

Either methyl or ethyl alcohol will do. The choice is up to the manufacturer.

On a small scale (backyard operation), it is however easier to make biodiesels using methanol vs ethanol.

Note: In Organic Chemistry, an ESTER is a combination of an acid and an alcohol.

So ethanol can be used in the making of bio-diesel.

Sincerely,

Dusky Lim

[chinesecarebear]

Hi carebear:

Whether a BIODIESEL contains methanol (methyl alcohol - CH3OH) or ethanol (ethyl alcohol - C2H5OH) depends upon the exact process used to make it.

Most BIO-DIESEL's are either methyl or ethyl ESTERs.

That is they are blends of a very strong base (usually sodium hydroxide NaOH) added to an anhydrous absolute alcohol (that is a water-free alcohol) and a fatty acid - the "bio-oil" (coconut, rape seed, soybean, etc.) of choice.

Either methyl or ethyl alcohol will do. The choice is up to the manufacturer.

On a small scale (backyard operation), it is however easier to make biodiesels using methanol vs ethanol.

Note: In Organic Chemistry, an ESTER is a combination of an acid and an alcohol.

So ethanol can be used in the making of bio-diesel.

Sincerely,

Dusky Lim

now i understand it more. thank you sir dusky for the fruitful info.

idol

truck and roll

[ericp]

If I may try to rectify some more:

E10 is a BLEND of ethanol and gasoline. It this sense, blending is a physical combination resulting in a solution or a homogenous mixture.

There is no chemical reaction between ethanol and gasoline required to make E10.

Biodiesel is not "precisely" a BLEND.

It is made through a chemical reaction involving a base, alcohol (methanol or ethanol) and a fatty acid.

Biodiesel is an ester resulting from a CHEMICAL REACTION (not just blending or physical combination ) between a fatty acid (i.e. from vegetable oil) and an alcohol.

If you mix biodiesel with petroleum derived diesel fuel, then you have a BLEND (a simple physical combination/mixture)

Note: an ester is a class of organic compound having the general formula R-COO-R'.
The R-CO part comes from the fatty acid while the O-R' portion is from the alcohol.
R' = methyl if one used methanol. R' =ethyl if one used ethanol



P.S. I love it when people talk chemistry!

[duskylim]

Dear eric:

Thank you for your post.

It helps to clear up a lot of general misunderstanding regarding fuel chemistry.

The real problem we have now is the use of food-sourced raw materials as the basis of bio-fuels.

I have no problems with the use of materials like waste cooking or vegetable oils, or those derived from the wastes of the food-processing industry - like rendered animal fats etc or those derived from other non-food bio-sources.

The real problem is when wealthy countries turn their farm produce into fuel, reducing the available supplies and thereby creating shortages and increasing the price.

Coupled with the efforts of speculators and hoarders it creates a situation that is most unfair and difficult for the under-developed and poor countries.

Perhaps when the 2nd generation of bio-fuels arrive, (those derived from non-food sources), we will have a genuine and humane alternative to fossil fuels.

Personally, I myself believe that alcohol is best DRUNK, not burnt.

Best Regards,

Dusky Lim

[ghosthunter]

MODERATOR's NOTE:

* Dusky & Eric

Quit the pissing contest or I will have to send both of you to your rooms without dinner.

[ericp]

Dear eric:

Thank you for your post.

It helps to clear up a lot of general misunderstanding regarding fuel chemistry.

The real problem we have now is the use of food-sourced raw materials as the basis of bio-fuels.

I have no problems with the use of materials like waste cooking or vegetable oils, or those derived from the wastes of the food-processing industry - like rendered animal fats etc or those derived from other non-food bio-sources.

The real problem is when wealthy countries turn their farm produce into fuel, reducing the available supplies and thereby creating shortages and increasing the price.

Coupled with the efforts of speculators and hoarders it creates a situation that is most unfair and difficult for the under-developed and poor countries.

Perhaps when the 2nd generation of bio-fuels arrive, (those derived from non-food sources), we will have a genuine and humane alternative to fossil fuels.

Personally, I myself believe that alcohol is best DRUNK, not burnt.

Best Regards,

Dusky Lim

I agree Dusky .... let's wait for cellulose derived biofuel....the technology appears to be maturing... ethanol, etc from non food plant sources.

GH : Thanks for the warning ... no intent to compete here.....just thought a little clarification might help...

my apologies if it sounded otherwise.