Is it contact point, condenser or battery ang problema??

**AcidBurn** · June 17th, 2011 06:21 PM

Mga sirs,

May kinalaman ba ang contact point at condenser sa pag baba ng rpm everytime I open my headlights?

Heres the scenario...since kalilipat lang namin ng bahay at wala pang kilalang trusted mechanic sa lugar, sinubukan kong magpatune up sa isang talyer nearby at pinabili ako ng mekaniko ng contact point at condenser, nung nilagay na un binili ko ay ayaw mag-start at inabot kami ng hapon sa pag troubleshoot. Mantakin nyo, simpleng tune-up lang inabot ako ng isang araw sa talyer at kaya lang umistart ang auto ay binalik nya ang lumang pyesa at sinabi sa kin na sira daw parehas un nabili kong contact point at condenser, hehe, samantalang nakakahon pa ang mga un...biruin nyo P400 ang nalagas sa kin dahil hnde ko na naman masosoli un kasi pinutol na nya at pinagdugtong...siraniko ata ang napuntahan ko.

Anyways, after that napansin ko sa twing bubuksan ang HL ay bumababa rpm ko na dati namang hinde. Battery ko po ay 10 mos old pa lang (Motolite Enduro) at months before ako magpatune-up sa siranikong un ay pinacheck ko pa sa electrical shop sa dating lugar namin ang alternator ko at maayos naman daw na kumakarga.

So, Im wondering if possible culprit po ba ang contact point at condenser since itong luma pa din ang nakakabit? Or does it have something to do with the battery at kelangan kong ipacheck kung kumakarga pa? Ive read some posts po kasi dito na wala pang 1 yr batteries nila pero bumigay na...too bad, around 3k pa naman ang bili ko dun last august.

Your immediate response would be very much appreciated. Thanks

**jick.cejoco** · June 17th, 2011 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by AcidBurn

Mga sirs,

May kinalaman ba ang contact point at condenser sa pag baba ng rpm everytime I open my headlights?

Heres the scenario...since kalilipat lang namin ng bahay at wala pang kilalang trusted mechanic sa lugar, sinubukan kong magpatune up sa isang talyer nearby at pinabili ako ng mekaniko ng contact point at condenser, nung nilagay na un binili ko ay ayaw mag-start at inabot kami ng hapon sa pag troubleshoot. Mantakin nyo, simpleng tune-up lang inabot ako ng isang araw sa talyer at kaya lang umistart ang auto ay binalik nya ang lumang pyesa at sinabi sa kin na sira daw parehas un nabili kong contact point at condenser...biruin nyo P400 ang nalagas sa kin dahil hnde ko na naman masosoli un kasi pinutol na nya at pinagdugtong...siraniko ata ang napuntahan ko.

Anyways, after that napansin ko sa twing bubuksan ang HL ay bumababa rpm ko na dati namang hinde. Battery ko po ay 10 mos old pa lang (Motolite Enduro) at months before ako magpatune-up sa siranikong un ay pinacheck ko pa sa electrical shop sa dating lugar namin ang alternator ko at maayos naman daw na kumakarga.

So, Im wondering if possible culprit po ba ang contact point at condenser since itong luma pa din ang nakakabit? Or does it have something to do with the battery at kelangan kong ipacheck kung kumakarga pa? Ive read some posts po kasi dito na wala pang 1 yr batteries nila pero bumigay na...too bad, around 3k pa naman ang bili ko dun last august.

Your immediate response would be very much appreciated. Thanks

sorry for what happened to you wasting about a day of your life because of incompetent "mechanic". lessons learned:1- do not just trust any tom, dick or harry who has busted and greasy knuckles who knows how to turn a screwdriver, 2- you get what you pay for, 3- look for some kind of certification of training, diploma or positive reputation if you do not know this "mechanic", 4-even with an engine that still runs on points and the "mechanic" turns to guess and hope (try to guess the problem and hope you fixed it), how much more if the vehicle runs on computer aided network (CAN BUS), then it would take a miracle and a lot of prayers to figure out. the dropping of idle speed is more than likely a result of the alternator trying to produce more current to the now low in charge battery from failed attempts to start the car for as you mentioned around the whole day to figure out or guess and wait for luck

**AcidBurn** · June 17th, 2011 06:48 PM

Noted sir jick. I thought the job would be a snap of a finger for him since maraming sasakyan nagpapagawa (or nagpapasira) sa taong un. Mas oks pa ata kung sa gasoline station na lang muna ako magpatune up habang wala pang kilalang matinong mekaniko sa lugar.

Bale ang sinasabi mo ay walang kinalaman ang lumang contact point / condenser sa problema at ang battery ko na hinde na masyadong kumakarga ang possible culprit, tama po ba?

Thanks sa reply boss

**jick.cejoco** · June 18th, 2011 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by AcidBurn

Noted sir jick. I thought the job would be a snap of a finger for him since maraming sasakyan nagpapagawa (or nagpapasira) sa taong un. Mas oks pa ata kung sa gasoline station na lang muna ako magpatune up habang wala pang kilalang matinong mekaniko sa lugar.

Bale ang sinasabi mo ay walang kinalaman ang lumang contact point / condenser sa problema at ang battery ko na hinde na masyadong kumakarga ang possible culprit, tama po ba?

Thanks sa reply boss

retest with a fully charged battery. if the idle speed still drops drastically, there is a problem with the battery or the ability of the alternator to charge. as with the tune up, i.e. ignition both primary and secondary circuits, fuel pressure and volume, air induction and charging and starting system checks should have been done. carburetor base idle, fast idle speed and idle speed actuator be adjusted per repair manual

**reym** · June 19th, 2011 07:32 PM

Sorry for what happened to you. Jick is right don't trust any mechanic.
Your problem could be a low alternator output or the idle adjustment by the master mechanic is too low.

**AcidBurn** · June 27th, 2011 10:51 AM

Sir, up ko lang po uli tong thread. Just had my battery and alternator checked in a nearby motolite shop this morning and the results are maayos naman daw kumakarga ang baterya at alternator ko...ilang beses sya nagtrouble shoot while on ang a/c, on ang HL then of ang a/c and HL...pero kumakarga pa rin naman daw ng tama ang alternator at battery.

What could be the culprit sa pagbaba ng rpm everytime I open my HL...or normal lang po ba talaga na bumaba around 2 guhit ang rpm pag nagbukas ng headlights (from 900 to 700)? And sometimes pa ay parang paos ang busina...pero minsan naman hinde :-(

Needs more advise sir kung ano pa mga dapat ipacheck sa auto. TIA

**imperialv** · June 27th, 2011 11:22 AM

pa adjust mo na lang yung minor mo.. baka makuha...

**kinyo** · June 27th, 2011 11:31 AM

maaring meron bad/loose/corroded contact sa wiring ng battery and/or main fuse ... pa-check na lang sa electrician ang wiring

**Chef Noob** · June 30th, 2011 05:31 AM

Check for grounds...here's how I do it.
1. Switch off ALL electrical devices.
2. Remove ground wire on battery.
3. Slowly replace the batt lead to the neg. pole. If a light spark occurred, there's something eating your power...pag malakas ang spark, malakas ang ground.

Possible na batt mo ang may problema. I doubt na its your alternator causing your coil to fluctuate, since hindi naman wired ang ignition coil directly dun.
Dependent ang coil sa battery. No battery, No spark...Ang problema ngalang, dependent din si battery kay alternator...hehe! So pag No charge...No Battery...No Spark.

Honestly, isa lang masasabi ko sa Motolite Enduro..."BULOK". Naka 3 nako nyan, hindi talaga tumatagal. Mahina talaga output current. Try mo e measure voltage niya using multitester na naka on Low Beam, bumababa ng less than 11v ang voltage...

**AcidBurn** · June 30th, 2011 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Chef Noob

Check for grounds...here's how I do it.
1. Switch off ALL electrical devices.
2. Remove ground wire on battery.
3. Slowly replace the batt lead to the neg. pole. If a light spark occurred, there's something eating your power...pag malakas ang spark, malakas ang ground.

Possible na batt mo ang may problema. I doubt na its your alternator causing your coil to fluctuate, since hindi naman wired ang ignition coil directly dun.
Dependent ang coil sa battery. No battery, No spark...Ang problema ngalang, dependent din si battery kay alternator...hehe! So pag No charge...No Battery...No Spark.

Honestly, isa lang masasabi ko sa Motolite Enduro..."BULOK". Naka 3 nako nyan, hindi talaga tumatagal. Mahina talaga output current. Try mo e measure voltage niya using multitester na naka on Low Beam, bumababa ng less than 11v ang voltage...

Boss Noob,

Mejo hinde tayo knowledgeable when it comes to electrical...just a few clarifications before diy. On item nos 2 and 3...
1) Ang ibig bang sabihin ay alisin ko ang ground wire na nakakunekta sa baterya at idikit ko sa negative terminal, tama po ba?
2) Pag may umispark it means na may grounded connections some where ang auto?

Thanks