Car Battery Alternative

[dr. d]

5yo din44 stock battery on the ecosport. 220cca nalang but still started w/o hesitation. at that point pinalitan ko na.

your 356cca probably has some life left in it

btw i wasn't afraid to drive around w/ such a weak ageing batt coz it's an m/t and i have a jump-start powerbank

many years ago,
when we were young and poor-ish,
we would cling on to our dying batteries for several more weeks, starting the car by push-starting 'em.
cars were simpler, back then.

[monty_GTV]

does your car batteries lasts or exceeds their warranties? nowadays parang seldom na yung lalampas sa warranry period. either it will start to fail or conk out totally bago maabot or just after the warranty period. nasubukan ko na magpapalit sa motolite for free at di pa naabot warranty, glad i kept the receipt.

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[dr. d]

does your car batteries lasts or exceeds their warranties? nowadays parang seldom na yung lalampas sa warranry period. either it will start to fail or conk out totally bago maabot or just after the warranty period. nasubukan ko na magpapalit sa motolite for free at di pa naabot warranty, glad i kept the receipt.

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when we used the cheap champion by motolite,
in everyday manila traffic, when i used to shut down the engine during long traffic stops, it died on its 13th month. it had a 12 month warranty. sigh.
in contrast, my son, driving a near-identical innova as mine, but regularly driving long highway drives, his champion battery lasted 4 years.
only once in my driving life, did my battery die within the warranty period and (successfully) claim warranty.

i am confident, the big majority of motolite users have their battery die after the warranty.
otherwise, motolite would be out of business.

[oj88]

This thread seems to have made a weird turn. What started off as a discussion about LiFePO4 (LFP) batteries (and probably other car battery chemistries) devolved into just another lead-acid battery thread. :D

Anybody actually using LFP starter batteries in their car? My Amaron is near EoL at 5 years and I'm looking at either an LFP solution or go back to Amaron.

[bxr monkey]

does your car batteries lasts or exceeds their warranties? nowadays parang seldom na yung lalampas sa warranry period. either it will start to fail or conk out totally bago maabot or just after the warranty period. nasubukan ko na magpapalit sa motolite for free at di pa naabot warranty, glad i kept the receipt.

Itong OEM Motolite battery from 2018 pre-owned HB. Okay pa ngayon. 2x a week ang gamit, walang traffic sa probinsiya.

[Vodka]

This thread seems to have made a weird turn. What started off as a discussion about LiFePO4 (LFP) batteries (and probably other car battery chemistries) devolved into just another lead-acid battery thread. :D

Anybody actually using LFP starter batteries in their car? My Amaron is near EoL at 5 years and I'm looking at either an LFP solution or go back to Amaron.

i'm interested in lifepo4 also but i don't like that you'll be literally baking your li-ion pack inside the engine bay might consider it for a car that has the battery in the trunk

for a lightweight dirt bike (race bike) i'd definitely get lifepo4

[oj88]

i'm interested in lifepo4 also but i don't like that you'll be literally baking your li-ion pack inside the engine bay might consider it for a car that has the battery in the trunk

for a lightweight dirt bike (race bike) i'd definitely get lifepo4

Sorry to split hairs but, LiFePO4 (LFP) ≠ Li-Ion.

It seems that LFPs have a wider operating temp than lead-acid batteries. But I see your point. As with any batteries, an increase in temp corresponds to a decrease in expected life. But then, LFPs are rated for thousands of charge cycles compared to lead-acid's hundreds. So even with non-ideal temps, I think LFPs would still come out on top in terms of performance and longevity.

[Vodka]

Sorry to split hairs but, LiFePO4 (LFP) ≠ Li-Ion.

It seems that LFPs have a wider operating temp than lead-acid batteries. But I see your point. As with any batteries, an increase in temp corresponds to a decrease in expected life. But then, LFPs are rated for thousands of charge cycles compared to lead-acid's hundreds. So even with non-ideal temps, I think LFPs would still come out on top in terms of performance and longevity.

lifepo4 is a type of li-ion. so yeah lifepo4 is a li-ion battery. there are other li-ion chemistry out there like NCA, NMC, etc.

i've seen ads by readygo. i wonder how long they actually last inside a hot engine bay.

[travajante]

otherwise, motolite would be out of business.

Col. Harland David Sanders got Motolite's back.[emoji16]

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[dr. d]

Col. Harland David Sanders got Motolite's back.[emoji16]

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i like kfc and mr donut.
why are there no kfc or mr donut beside motolite store?
heh heh.

[oj88]

lifepo4 is a type of li-ion. so yeah lifepo4 is a li-ion battery. there are other li-ion chemistry out there like NCA, NMC, etc.

i've seen ads by readygo. i wonder how long they actually last inside a hot engine bay.

Agree on the two batteries' relationship. I would call them Lithium-based rechargeable batteries in general. I just felt the need to refer to them in exact terms, IMO... LFP vs Li-Ion. There are "Li-Ion" cells and there are "LiFePO4" cells. They have vastly different characteristics, not the least of which is nominal voltage, energy density, cycle life, etc. Having that distinction removes any confusion on what specific battery chemistry is being discussed. That's why I meant by splitting hairs. ;)

For the same reason, I wouldn't use Li-Ion cells inside a hot engine bay due to their explosive nature. LFP cells on the other hand, should fare significantly better under the same conditions.

Curious also how those ReadyGo LFP packs are doing.

[travajante]

i like kfc and mr donut.
why are there no kfc or mr donut beside motolite store?
heh heh.

In my neckodawoods, there's 1 outside their regional HQ....serving the neighborhood their fingalickin' good original & upset-stomach-inducing spicy fried birds 24/7.[emoji4]

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[uls]

i like kfc and mr donut.
why are there no kfc or mr donut beside motolite store?
heh heh.

doc, ramcar center sa roces true qc

hehe

[dr. d]

doc, ramcar center sa roces true qc

hehe

uy!
alas, malayo samen...

[uls]

uy!
alas, malayo samen...

hehe

head office ng ramcar

[Vodka]

Agree on the two batteries' relationship. I would call them Lithium-based rechargeable batteries in general. I just felt the need to refer to them in exact terms, IMO... LFP vs Li-Ion. There are "Li-Ion" cells and there are "LiFePO4" cells. They have vastly different characteristics, not the least of which is nominal voltage, energy density, cycle life, etc. Having that distinction removes any confusion on what specific battery chemistry is being discussed. That's why I meant by splitting hairs. ;)

but that's not accurate and that nomenclature isn't adopted by the industry.

in front of me right now are a bunch of A123 ANR26650M1B cells. they're lifepo4 in metal can format 26650. they're lithium ion cells, it says so right there on the title

also got a bunch of panasonic NCR18650. "ncr" is panasonic's name for "NCA" chemistry used in tesla model S. can be discharged down to 2.5v. also a lithium ion

got 102 cells in 17s6p pack made from samsung 26F cells. "NMC" chemistry. cutoff is 2.75v instead of 2.5v on the NCA. again, lithium ion

3 different chemistries, 3 different characteristics and voltages. all are lithium ion. the industry refers to them as lifepo4, nca, and nmc. btw there are other chemistries out there outside of these 3 common ones. then there's sodium, etc

btw i graph battery discharge curves for fun

[oj88]

but that's not accurate and that nomenclature isn't adopted by the industry.

in front of me right now are a bunch of A123 ANR26650M1B cells. they're lifepo4 in metal can format 26650. they're lithium ion cells, it says so right there on the title

also got a bunch of panasonic NCR18650. "ncr" is panasonic's name for "NCA" chemistry used in tesla model S. can be discharged down to 2.5v. also a lithium ion

got 102 cells in 17s6p pack made from samsung 26F cells. "NMC" chemistry. cutoff is 2.75v instead of 2.5v on the NCA. again, lithium ion

3 different chemistries, 3 different characteristics and voltages. all are lithium ion. the industry refers to them as lifepo4, nca, and nmc. btw there are other chemistries out there outside of these 3 common ones. then there's sodium, etc

btw i graph battery discharge curves for fun

The excerpt you put up clearly states it's an LFP. Anyway, you are correct naman and you made your point. But say, if I search for "Li-Ion", I'm shown cells with a nominal voltage of 3.7V. If I look for "LiFePO4" instead, I end up getting results for 3.2V cells. So again, to me at least, it's not helpful to refer to LFP cells (and other lithium variants for that matter) by their generic "Li-Ion" catchphrase because they all have very different characteristics.

FWIW:
Would I leave a "Li-Ion" battery inside my car, engine bay, or trunk? I most certainly will NOT.
Would I leave a "LiFePO4" battery inside my car, engine bay, or trunk? Sure!

That's the kind of distinction I was trying to convey.

[ninjababez]

5yo din44 stock battery on the ecosport. 220cca nalang but still started w/o hesitation. at that point pinalitan ko na.

your 356cca probably has some life left in it

btw i wasn't afraid to drive around w/ such a weak ageing batt coz it's an m/t and i have a jump-start powerbank

ayun na nga bro, AT kasi kaya medyo alangan ako.
kaso madami pa nasa lazada cart ko [emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[ninjababez]

Same tayo. 356cca na lang din yung 3SM battery na nakalagay sa vios gen1 ko. Hehehe.

Sa innova yun talaga..mahina na cranking for diesel pero mukhang malakas naman for gas kaya pinapalit ko muna. Once a week lang naman ginagamit yung kotse eh. Hehe

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nagkasya sa gen 1 vios? [emoji38][emoji38]

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[yapoy86]

oo nga, buti kumasya at hindi tumama sa hood.. laki nun 3sm.. for gas engine, malakas pa yan 300cca.. hehe

sa diesel medyo delikado na yan..