Tesla Motors..

[alainroyce]

Tesla Motors

Tesla Motors develops and manufactures electric vehicles with exceptional design, performance and efficiency, while conforming to all U.S. safety, environmental and durability standards. The Tesla Roadster is the only highway capable production electric car of any kind for sale in the United States.
With a 0 to 60 mph acceleration of 3.9 seconds, a 13,000 rpm redline, and the fastest top gear acceleration of any production car tested by Car & Driver magazine in 2007, combined with an EPA rating of 135 MPG equivalent, the Tesla Roadster is unique in providing super car performance at twice the energy efficiency of the best hybrids..


This is the future vehicle... Original design by Nicolai Tesla... 10 years from now forget the gasoline in our vehicle..
http://www.teslamotors.com/

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[Flagg]

Mga 100+k USD ata ito?

[mqavila]

That looks very promising!!! But at US$98,000, the price is still very prohibitive...

[ghosthunter]

Tesla motors is giving the consumers the option to go full electric with the performance of the best gasoline fed super-cars.

Now, if they can only lower the selling price of their products.

[JiggeR671]

I also believe na electric cars are the future especially nung nakita ko yung tesla, tzero and X1 spanking gasoline sportscars hehehe...
Theres a lot of videos on youtube of people converting their regular cars to electric. Apparently theres already a market for it kase may mga conversion kits na nabibili online. Medyo mahal nga lang. But it will probably pay for itself considering na ang mahal ng gasolina ngayon at patuloy na tumataas ang price.

[mark_t]

Tesla Motors



This is the future vehicle... Original design by Nicolai Tesla... 10 years from now forget the gasoline in our vehicle..
http://www.teslamotors.com/

Comment on this?!..

Matagal ng patay si n. tesla. http://www.teslasociety.com/biography.htm

[Bar Stunner]

Kung meron lang mag-finance sakin, kaya ko rin mag-develope ng ganyang kotse....

Sa totoo lang para tayong kawawa rito... puro tayo comment, ala sige daldal... wala naman paki alam satin yang tesla.. wrightspeed etc.,

Meron na ngang production niyan, buti naman kung makabili tayo, di ba hindi din. Hindi natin kakayanin kasi masyadong mahal. Pangalawa, kung makabili man tayo, paano kapag nasira? paano yung parts?

Gumawa tayo ng sariling atin....

Kaya rin natin yung mga ginagawa nila.

[Monseratto]

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http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/07/worlds-first-fo.html

[alainroyce]

Is that a tesla car? kawawa naman yung insurance company nito..

[tumbaga]

Tesla motors is giving the consumers the option to go full electric with the performance of the best gasoline fed super-cars.

Now, if they can only lower the selling price of their products.

Tesla motors developed their vehicle using carbon fiber body with lightweight extruded aluminum, very difficult to do if you are just going to do little at a time.

AC motor is much more expensive, and better than DC, they also resolved the battery problem everyone faces. imagine running 322 Km per charge. Expensive stuff. http://www.teslamotors.com/design/under_the_skin.php

Still technology can be improved on all of it.

[ghosthunter]

Tesla motors developed their vehicle using carbon fiber body with lightweight extruded aluminum, very difficult to do if you are just going to do little at a time.

AC motor is much more expensive, and better than DC, they also resolved the battery problem everyone faces. imagine running 322 Km per charge. Expensive stuff. http://www.teslamotors.com/design/under_the_skin.php

Still technology can be improved on all of it.

The battery solution was simple and straight forward, use the battery with the higher power density. With current technology, the lithium ion battery is the solution, the same battery being used by today's modern mobile phones and notebook computers.

And obviously since the batteries are expensive, the car is expensive as well.

There is no massive technology breakthrough with the Tesla Roadster. It is simply using current available materials and technology to produce a product with limited marketability (mainly to the very rich and feeling a little eco-guilty).

[tumbaga]

AC motors with it controls system is also expensive, while most are going for the cheaper DC motors, they went to an expensive solution.
The breakthrough is in dispelling the idea that it cannot be done, a sporty, luxurious vehicle using all electric power is possible.

As you probably notice those who are nay-sayers always say the same thing, fossil fuel is still the way to go, but Tesla proved it wrong. They proved it using current technology, now imagine what could be done with future technology?

What is another interesting is that you cannot do what this car can do with the same horsepower, 165Kw is only 220 horsepower. It has A/C and heater, automatic tranmission, power windows, seats, airbags. Everything a car should have.

[niky]

AC motors with it controls system is also expensive, while most are going for the cheaper DC motors, they went to an expensive solution.
The breakthrough is in dispelling the idea that it cannot be done, a sporty, luxurious vehicle using all electric power is possible.

As you probably notice those who are nay-sayers always say the same thing, fossil fuel is still the way to go, but Tesla proved it wrong. They proved it using current technology, now imagine what could be done with future technology?

What is another interesting is that you cannot do what this car can do with the same horsepower, 165Kw is only 220 horsepower. It has A/C and heater, automatic tranmission, power windows, seats, airbags. Everything a car should have.

Tesla didn't prove anything.

If you're looking for electric sportscars, and if you've been watching them as long as I have, you'll know that there were a lot of serious electric sportscar startups before Tesla. In America, the T-Zero already had blistering performance... in 1997...

The problem with the T-Zero was the looks... and the market cachet, of which it had little. At the time, an electric sports car was not on top of every millionaire's "to buy" list.

If you're looking for electric sports luxury... the Venturi Fetish managed to do that, too... back in 2002.



EVO Philippines actually got a leg up on many foreign journalists by being one of the first publications (if not THE first) to test drive it. The problem was the stratospheric asking price... around 1 million dollars, I think, at that time. The price has gone down, but it's still far more expensive than the Tesla. But the Fetish was the real thing. Blistering acceleration, good handling (since the car was designed around the battery pack... rather than being retrofitted with it, as the Tesla is) and astonishing road presence. Still... way ahead of its time... back in 2002, electric wasn't as big a catch-phrase as it is now... and the price was somewhat ridiculous.

Tesla managed to bring the price for an electric sportscar down to manageable levels only by using a pre-engineered platform licensed from Lotus... as compared to the bespoke platforms underneath the T-Zero and the Fetish. The problem is, putting the Tesla Roadster up against the Lotus Elise upon which it is based highlights the major issue with an electric vehicle... namely... weight. Compared to an Elise, the Tesla is a porky bugger... and that has a negative effect on handling and performance. Note... the Tesla is much more expensive than the Elise it is based on... in fact, twice as expensive as the upgraded Exige model, which has more horsepower and performance, while having less weight... and which still has minimal environmental impact due to its relatively small 1.8 liter supercharged Toyota engine.

Think about it... the Tesla is basically a Lotus Elise with a 40-60 thousand dollar price premium... a premium you're paying for a heavier, sloppier track car with limited range.

I give Tesla grudging respect for moving beyond the vaporware stage to production... but there are still lots of questions about whether they can actually deliver on their promises (their promised range has never fully materialized) and whether they can actually deliver cars to every customer who has paid (still questionable).

[tumbaga]

Tesla didn't prove anything.

If you're looking for electric sportscars, and if you've been watching them as long as I have, you'll know that there were a lot of serious electric sportscar startups before Tesla. In America, the T-Zero already had blistering performance... in 1997...

The problem with the T-Zero was the looks... and the market cachet, of which it had little. At the time, an electric sports car was not on top of every millionaire's "to buy" list.

If you're looking for electric sports luxury... the Venturi Fetish managed to do that, too... back in 2002.



EVO Philippines actually got a leg up on many foreign journalists by being one of the first publications (if not THE first) to test drive it. The problem was the stratospheric asking price... around 1 million dollars, I think, at that time. The price has gone down, but it's still far more expensive than the Tesla. But the Fetish was the real thing. Blistering acceleration, good handling (since the car was designed around the battery pack... rather than being retrofitted with it, as the Tesla is) and astonishing road presence. Still... way ahead of its time... back in 2002, electric wasn't as big a catch-phrase as it is now... and the price was somewhat ridiculous.

Tesla managed to bring the price for an electric sportscar down to manageable levels only by using a pre-engineered platform licensed from Lotus... as compared to the bespoke platforms underneath the T-Zero and the Fetish. The problem is, putting the Tesla Roadster up against the Lotus Elise upon which it is based highlights the major issue with an electric vehicle... namely... weight. Compared to an Elise, the Tesla is a porky bugger... and that has a negative effect on handling and performance. Note... the Tesla is much more expensive than the Elise it is based on... in fact, twice as expensive as the upgraded Exige model, which has more horsepower and performance, while having less weight... and which still has minimal environmental impact due to its relatively small 1.8 liter supercharged Toyota engine.

Think about it... the Tesla is basically a Lotus Elise with a 40-60 thousand dollar price premium... a premium you're paying for a heavier, sloppier track car with limited range.

I give Tesla grudging respect for moving beyond the vaporware stage to production... but there are still lots of questions about whether they can actually deliver on their promises (their promised range has never fully materialized) and whether they can actually deliver cars to every customer who has paid (still questionable).

Sounds like your quoting from writeups.

TESLA is like LOTUS, because they were contracted to do part of design.

Sure, they promised greater range than 320Km (400Km), couldn't do it, because of the extra weight they added.

It is interesting that you mentioned T-Zero, who happens to be the same people who helped in producing Tesla (AC Propulsion), Fetish has the same specs as Tesla, I don't know who produced their motor.

[niky]

Sounds like your quoting from writeups.

Go ahead and google my post... I don't copy-paste without using the quote tags.

TESLA is like LOTUS, because they were contracted to do part of design.

Tesla licensed the entire Elise bodyshell and suspension from Lotus. It was a cost-saving measure on their part. It's something that many electric start-ups are doing now to bring their electric cars in under cost. Sadly... they're still expensive. The Phoenix SUT... based on the Ssangyong Actyon... still at a projected $40k. The Electrovaya Maya... based on the Chana Benni... still at a projected $20-30k (and the Benni is only worth about $7k-$10k)... the Xap Zebra... based on a Shangdong 3-wheeler... $16k in the US... available in China for only $3k... as an electric, to boot.

If you're serious about producing or home-building an electric... You can look at how these people did it for an idea on how to control cost and get results.

Sure, they promised greater range than 320Km (400Km), couldn't do it, because of the extra weight they added.

It's not just the weight. It's the batteries. If they'd included enough batteries to achieve the range they were quoting, the Tesla would weigh way too much.

It is interesting that you mentioned T-Zero, who happens to be the same people who helped in producing Tesla (AC Propulsion), Fetish has the same specs as Tesla, I don't know who produced their motor.

Really? That's interesting. The Fetish project is older than the Tesla, and their body is bespoke... which is probably why the price was so staggeringly high.

To keep costs down, use a pre-existing platform... then you can concentrate on working on the electric motor controllers and battery layout.

You should try to watch Top Gear Australia's electric car challenge. They basically built two electric cars in their garage. One presenter was quite successful... what he did was place a huge surplus electric motor in front, tons of batteries in the back, then linked the system straight to the driveshaft.

The other guy had the brilliant idea of linking electric drill motors to a planetary gear, then he bolted the whole thing to the transmission (front drive car)... it was too complicated, and broke... but the idea is sound... if you can create a more robust linkage between the drill motors (strip the casing and create a new steel casing to hold them against the planetary gear), you'll have a relatively powerful motor for not much money... and it'll already have speed controllers and a throttle attached to it. Five or six drills should do it...

[tumbaga]

Go ahead and google my post... I don't copy-paste without using the quote tags.



Tesla licensed the entire Elise bodyshell and suspension from Lotus. It was a cost-saving measure on their part. It's something that many electric start-ups are doing now to bring their electric cars in under cost. Sadly... they're still expensive. The Phoenix SUT... based on the Ssangyong Actyon... still at a projected $40k. The Electrovaya Maya... based on the Chana Benni... still at a projected $20-30k (and the Benni is only worth about $7k-$10k)... the Xap Zebra... based on a Shangdong 3-wheeler... $16k in the US... available in China for only $3k... as an electric, to boot.

If you're serious about producing or home-building an electric... You can look at how these people did it for an idea on how to control cost and get results.



It's not just the weight. It's the batteries. If they'd included enough batteries to achieve the range they were quoting, the Tesla would weigh way too much.

Well, the investors wants this and that, eventually adding to the weight. Using Li-ion batteries solved the problem in part, but not all.


Really? That's interesting. The Fetish project is older than the Tesla, and their body is bespoke... which is probably why the price was so staggeringly high.

What you see now are all related. Design, working relationship, etc...

To keep costs down, use a pre-existing platform... then you can concentrate on working on the electric motor controllers and battery layout.

They did resolve that part, doesn't mean its perfect, but it works.

You should try to watch Top Gear Australia's electric car challenge. They basically built two electric cars in their garage. One presenter was quite successful... what he did was place a huge surplus electric motor in front, tons of batteries in the back, then linked the system straight to the driveshaft.

The other guy had the brilliant idea of linking electric drill motors to a planetary gear, then he bolted the whole thing to the transmission (front drive car)... it was too complicated, and broke... but the idea is sound... if you can create a more robust linkage between the drill motors (strip the casing and create a new steel casing to hold them against the planetary gear), you'll have a relatively powerful motor for not much money... and it'll already have speed controllers and a throttle attached to it. Five or six drills should do it...

These are old news, to prevent breakage, you mount it solidly, which is no different from what me and my brother did once, hooking up a V-8 350 Chevy engine on a triumph, its transmission and gearbox, that engine tore up the gearbox immediately. We replaced it with a Ford truck rear end, and away we go.

He was able to get a lot of car titles on races here in Los Angeles, California. Street races, nothing legal.

[tumbaga]

Tesla CEO Elon Musk said:
"A lot of people think of the Tesla as sort of an electrified Elise [sports car]. Unfortunately with Tesla, it's not. The Tesla Roadster has only 7% legacy components -- legacy Elise components. It is a newer car than most new cars -- than almost any new car, because even when someone says the new such-and-such, actually it's not new. It's got lots of bits and pieces that are from other prior models. In the Tesla Roadster, though, the entire power train is new from scratch and the body is totally new. The chassis was originally going to be an Elise chassis, but we ended up having to redesign the thing. In retrospect, we should have done a completely new car from scratch. It would have cost us less and resulted in a better car if we had started with a clean sheet. We had to stretch the chassis, which made the car 30% heavier. The load distribution is a little bit different. "

When I was looking for electric motors in my mind would give me the same pep as gasoline engine, AC Propulsion came up, and it is expensive, I searched for other suppliers and found them to be just about the same. Like Siemens for example.

Siemens is much more prohibitive since their controller is not not great compared to AC Propulsion whose controller was designed for vehicle application, just plug in a computer on the interface and away you go. You spend extra for that with Siemens.

Still, there has to be some AC 3-phase electric motor manufacturers that can provide me what I need in Pinas, which is what I want.

What electric cars do is prove that it can be done, I like that. There are nay-sayers still, I understand, like me, I still like the bad old days when I can tune up a car by "feel", everything simple mechanical, but greasy fixes.

I went from a 1969 Chevy Impala to today's heavily electronic controlled vehicles, and I cannot fix them anymore without spending money on software to analyze problems. I miss my Impala, and my 1971 Hemi Road-runner.

But time to move on to electric cars, why should it be sluggish and unresponsive, it shouldn't be, and people proved that it can be done. Nothing like Philippines to experiment and do it.

I asked people if they know a discussion group that is interested in something like this.

They said Tsikot.com, so far people are more interested in buying and not doing. Pinoys are better than that, I know, I have seen it.

[niky]

Tesla CEO Elon Musk said:
"A lot of people think of the Tesla as sort of an electrified Elise [sports car]. Unfortunately with Tesla, it's not. The Tesla Roadster has only 7% legacy components -- legacy Elise components. It is a newer car than most new cars -- than almost any new car, because even when someone says the new such-and-such, actually it's not new. It's got lots of bits and pieces that are from other prior models. In the Tesla Roadster, though, the entire power train is new from scratch and the body is totally new. The chassis was originally going to be an Elise chassis, but we ended up having to redesign the thing. In retrospect, we should have done a completely new car from scratch. It would have cost us less and resulted in a better car if we had started with a clean sheet. We had to stretch the chassis, which made the car 30% heavier. The load distribution is a little bit different. "

See... the Fetish already did that... complete grounds-up... but they don't have as good an investor model, and were never planning to produce more than a handful, unlike Tesla.

When I was looking for electric motors in my mind would give me the same pep as gasoline engine, AC Propulsion came up, and it is expensive, I searched for other suppliers and found them to be just about the same. Like Siemens for example.

Siemens is much more prohibitive since their controller is not not great compared to AC Propulsion whose controller was designed for vehicle application, just plug in a computer on the interface and away you go. You spend extra for that with Siemens.

Still, there has to be some AC 3-phase electric motor manufacturers that can provide me what I need in Pinas, which is what I want.

What electric cars do is prove that it can be done, I like that. There are nay-sayers still, I understand, like me, I still like the bad old days when I can tune up a car by "feel", everything simple mechanical, but greasy fixes.

I went from a 1969 Chevy Impala to today's heavily electronic controlled vehicles, and I cannot fix them anymore without spending money on software to analyze problems. I miss my Impala, and my 1971 Hemi Road-runner.

But time to move on to electric cars, why should it be sluggish and unresponsive, it shouldn't be, and people proved that it can be done. Nothing like Philippines to experiment and do it.

I asked people if they know a discussion group that is interested in something like this.

They said Tsikot.com, so far people are more interested in buying and not doing. Pinoys are better than that, I know, I have seen it.

Well... it's not impossible. It just costs money. The parts you want you migth just have to import.

I wish you luck, though... and I hope that you push through with your project!

[uls]

no place like the Philippines to build an electric sports car?

the French should have built the Fetish here

[ghosthunter]

no place like the Philippines to build an electric sports car?

the French should have built the Fetish here

http://www.gizmag.com/pictures/lrg_img//3889_07.jpg

http://www.gizmag.com/pictures/gallery/3889_03.jpg

It's so easy to built a "practical" electric car when the climate is cool enough to be comfortable.

Trying to built a practical electric car for the Philippines would require allocation for air conditioning.