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February 26th, 2008 09:05 AM #21Sir AG4, you seem to be well informed about GM. Are you connected with them by any chance?
If the rebadged ones costs 30K++ to 60K++ for a major tune-up and 5-8K for a regular tune-up, how much more would the real ones cost?
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February 26th, 2008 09:26 AM #22
Wow, I didn't realize that maintenance for these re-badged Chevys would be so high! And to think, I was considering the Chevy Optra wagon!! After hearing this, the Chevy Optra does not have a chance in h_ll.... hehehe. Peace to all Chevy Optra owners.
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February 26th, 2008 09:30 AM #23
Considering that GM is almost always on the verge of a financial meltdown every month, they still could not afford to put up another plant in Asia let alone in the Philippines. GM's reputation here in pinas seems to be on the lower spectrum due to their rebadged Daewoos. If only they could share to us their cool rides (camaro, corvette, etc. ).
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February 26th, 2008 09:37 AM #24
I'm not connected with GM, I just think that the "Chevrolet" brand is treated unfairly in the local boards, so I did a little research (something people don't do that often nowadays).
I actually prepared a chart because people always ask "is that just a rebadged Daewoo?"
Before anything else, Daewoo is the domestic brand of GM in Korea, aside from the Cadillac and Saab luxury brands, all GM models in Korea are badged as Daewoos, even the Saturn Sky and Holden Statesman are badged as Daewoos.
GMDAT Chevrolet models that started development before Daewoo became part of GM, but were updated under the new GMDAT company:
Chevrolet Spark
Chevrolet Aveo hatchback aka Aveo5
Chevrolet Aveo sedan (ASEAN version by GM Thailand)
Chevrolet Optra (ASEAN version by GM Thailand)
Chevrolet Epica
GMDAT Chevrolet models built on GM global platforms:
new 2007/08 Chevrolet Captiva (ASEAN version by GM Thailand)
future models:
Optra/Cobalt replacment (GM Delta platform)
For 2008, the only GMDAT Chevy that impressed me was the Captiva SUV.
I'll give them a chance and wait for the upcoming global Chevy models, before I give my final judgement.
I hope they bring in the upcoming Chevy Traverse Crossover, now that the Trailblazer EXT has been discontinued.Last edited by AG4; February 26th, 2008 at 10:09 AM.
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February 26th, 2008 10:25 AM #25
Actually, the mass of the people here don't really know it's rebadged. When you ask someone and say it's Daewoo, they'd even refuse to accept it. Daewoo had a bad reputation here before, and GM rebadging its lineup to Chevrolet have done wonders on its restart of share in the market.
The Optra's quite successfully, well, as per the pre-facelifted one, with all the red tags and amenities included at the low price. People are really encouraged to buy... not until they are informed.
An example would be when I was waiting for my car then to finish being tuned-up, a couple was planning to buy an Optra wagon. They saw me looking at my car, and seeing its an Optra, they approached me and asked. I was very objective about it, I said performance is good, amenities are good, but... maintenance costs isn't. After they heard my story in finding parts (that the dealership can't even give you without waiting for 2 months), they just left.
But people are becoming more and more aware I think. I mean, look at the facelifted version of the Optra, have you seen plenty in the road? I've only seen one or two since its debut. Marami na sigurong nadala. An office mate of mine had the worst experience though. Bought a '04 Trailblaizer and sold it in '07 for just 350K because of cost of maintenance. Wala talagang pumatol na mas mataas ang presyo.
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February 26th, 2008 10:37 AM #26
Danda naman ng trailblazer, we were able to finance a trailblazer (which was for a foreigner), which until now he likes (legroom, power, etc. . . ). Kaso CASA service and parts lang daw ang problema. Mura naman masyado ang benta ng officemate mo sir.
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February 26th, 2008 10:57 AM #27
When GM saved Daewoo from bankruptcy, Daewoo Motors had projects that were put on hold or were about to be shelved.
This was the new Kalos (Aveo) and Lacetti (Optra).
What GM did was use GMDAT to enter the Asian market, and later the european market.
With GM's help, the Aveo and Optra were put into production. First thing they did was get rid of the Daewoo badge for the export markets. Later on the Aveo sedan and Epica were given full-reskins and equipment upgrades.
For a while the Optra was sold in the USA as a Suzuki Forenza, this actually outsold the "real" Suzuki Aerio in their US lineup and helped boost Suzuki's US sales.
When GM sold most of its stakes in Suzuki, these models were dropped from the Suzuki lineup.
These GMDAT models are transitional models, these are stop gap models or temporary models until GM develops their new global platforms.
These were GM's instant Chevy models that were tailored for the asian and european markets.
The USDM models like the Cobalt and Malibu were designed specifically for the North American market.
GM's next step is to integrate GMDAT models into GM's global family, this means getting rid of redundant platforms and merging similar sized cars into a common global platform.
The very first GMDAT model to be built on a real GM global platform is the Captiva SUV, the next model expected is the Optra/USDM Cobalt replacment.
The Chevrolet brand does not exist in Korea, so future Chevrolet models to be built in Korea by GMDAT or sold in Korea will be badged as a Daewoo.Last edited by AG4; February 26th, 2008 at 11:10 AM.
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February 26th, 2008 02:33 PM #28
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February 26th, 2008 05:56 PM #29
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February 26th, 2008 07:06 PM #30
The new Daewoo models were already in their later stages of development when GM took over Daewoo in 2002.
It would have been too expensive to re-tool the GMDAT plant for the USDM Cobalt which at the time was still being developed. I guess it was more logical to rebadge models that were already set for production.
Currently GM and GMDAT are developing new generation global GM models that will be badged as Chevrolets for the global markets and as Daewoos for Korea.
Technically the upcoming models are no longer "rebadged" Daewoo models.
Daewoo is now a subsidiary of General Motors.
GMDAT is the production base for GM's small cars in Asia and in Europe.Last edited by AG4; February 26th, 2008 at 07:14 PM.
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