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    Guys ano advantages and disadvantages ng tb over sa fort?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsa527 View Post
    Guys ano advantages and disadvantages ng tb over sa fort?

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    pretty much everything besides resale value and availability of parts. reliability, only time will tell since it's till new on the market. power, features, comfort, leg room, luggage space and handling goes to the tbz.

    btw which body repair shop do you guys recommend? my tbz got hit by a taxi and the result the bumper got misaligned and there's a small gap on the bumper and the hood now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foresterx View Post
    pretty much everything besides resale value and availability of parts. reliability, only time will tell since it's till new on the market. power, features, comfort, leg room, luggage space and handling goes to the tbz.

    btw which body repair shop do you guys recommend? my tbz got hit by a taxi and the result the bumper got misaligned and there's a small gap on the bumper and the hood now.
    You can bring it to Hillsborough's Body Repair and Paint Shop in Cubao. They've already done *dr_mej's TB before with very good results

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbah5 View Post
    You can bring it to Hillsborough's Body Repair and Paint Shop in Cubao. They've already done *dr_mej's TB before with very good results

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    ah ok, didn't know hillsborough have a body repair shop now. i've been their regular customer since 2009 pa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    Again, no evidence = BS. Many European diesels (VM Motori, Bosch fuel systems, etc) have run much further than 150,000kms (some guys are going on 250-300k kms already), so I don't know where you get your "facts" from.

    Now if you were talking about dual-mass flywheel issues, dual-clutch repairs or electronic gremlins on body systems, I'd heartily agree with you... but the engines?

    All mdoern diesels can last a long time if you don't have dirty diesel or water-contaminated diesel.

    One tank with significant water contamination in it will wreck the pump on any diesel, European or Japanese. I've seen it happen myself. Both to Japanese and European diesels.

    But running on clean diesel, any modern diesel engine injector should last 200-300k kilometers easily. And they do.
    Quote Originally Posted by victorevolution View Post
    share your evidence as said by niky puro ka yada yada blah blah blah
    Tatlong links na binigay ko....

    Aba basa-basa naman kapag may time.

    Post ko ulet

    http://www.lowcvp.org.uk/assets/repo...l%20Report.pdf

    Eto pa ulet pero tingnan nyo muna ang target audience
    http://www.renault.com/fr/lists/arch...e-acv-2011.pdf

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    help pls noob here

    1 ) 3rd party chev tb accessories like yung mga pioneer lcd, avt lcd, growlaudio etc etc hahanap sana ako sa banawe tomorrow will chev void the warranty of my tb kung sa banawe ako papagawa over price kasi sa kanila yung avt from chev nasa 60k tapos mylink daw 70k.
    2 ) ano ba tawag sa mga lcd dun sa dashboard?
    3) best shop para magpalagay ng mga ^?
    4) ok ba magpagawa sa lederland ng car seat? parecommend naman ng ibang shop thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsen View Post
    Tatlong links na binigay ko....

    Aba basa-basa naman kapag may time.

    Post ko ulet

    http://www.lowcvp.org.uk/assets/repo...l%20Report.pdf

    Eto pa ulet pero tingnan nyo muna ang target audience
    http://www.renault.com/fr/lists/arch...e-acv-2011.pdf
    Who are you to question a well respected motoring journalist like niky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbah5 View Post
    Who are you to question a well respected motoring journalist like niky?

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    Surely I am not a motoring journalist.

    I am just a nobody in my field of profession because my basic role is simply to digest technical information, understand the technical processes and to be able to help others with any technical issues by:

    1. Providing engineering or technical support.
    2. Creating technical information manuals and service manuals.
    3. Always ready to troubleshoot and provide solutions.
    4. Training customers and technicians.
    at marami pang blah blah blah na iba.

    So far the only respect I earned in my field are from the bosses, from multinational colleagues and counterparts I closely work with.

    How about you? Who are you to throw question like that to me?

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    help pls noob here

    1 ) 3rd party chev tb accessories like yung mga pioneer lcd, avt lcd, growlaudio etc etc hahanap sana ako sa banawe tomorrow will chev void the warranty of my tb kung sa banawe ako papagawa over price kasi sa kanila yung avt from chev nasa 60k tapos mylink daw 70k.
    2 ) ano ba tawag sa mga lcd dun sa dashboard?
    3) best shop para magpalagay ng mga ^?
    4) ok ba magpagawa sa lederland ng car seat? parecommend naman ng ibang shop thanks.


    up ko lang questions ko. thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahwan02 View Post
    help pls noob here

    1 ) 3rd party chev tb accessories like yung mga pioneer lcd, avt lcd, growlaudio etc etc hahanap sana ako sa banawe tomorrow will chev void the warranty of my tb kung sa banawe ako papagawa over price kasi sa kanila yung avt from chev nasa 60k tapos mylink daw 70k.
    2 ) ano ba tawag sa mga lcd dun sa dashboard?
    3) best shop para magpalagay ng mga ^?
    4) ok ba magpagawa sa lederland ng car seat? parecommend naman ng ibang shop thanks.


    up ko lang questions ko. thanks.
    MyLink isn't even for sale. Those sales agents claiming that should undergo retraining again.

    Every installation outside of the casa will void your warranty, if the installation will cause any problems with your car. If wala, then no cause for worry. I'll PM you Growl Audio's number and contact person. Better to buy directly from them.

    It's called the Driver Information Center if you are talking about the display betweem the speedometer and tachometer.

    Goldrich if you are targeting Pioneer HUs, Winterpine if AVT, Growl Audio if Growl Audio.

    Yes Lederland is also a good shop for leather seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsen View Post
    Surely I am not a motoring journalist.

    I am just a nobody in my field of profession because my basic role is simply to digest technical information, understand the technical processes and to be able to help others with any technical issues by:

    1. Providing engineering or technical support.
    2. Creating technical information manuals and service manuals.
    3. Always ready to troubleshoot and provide solutions.
    4. Training customers and technicians.
    at marami pang blah blah blah na iba.

    So far the only respect I earned in my field are from the bosses, from multinational colleagues and counterparts I closely work with.

    How about you? Who are you to throw question like that to me?
    I'm the president of the Trailblazer Club of the Philippines, and it is my job to answer back to TB bashers like you. To defend the TB. To say that our TBs aren't as durable and reliable as its Japanese competitors is totally wrong. Why would General Motors launch it with the developing world (3rd world), with the 3rd world's notoriously dirty diesel fuel, in mind if it knows that the VM Motori engines that powers it will fail at around 150,000 kms as you have been claiming? And by the way, the 2.8L VM Motori engine will also power the North American version of the Colorado this 2016.

    I'm no expert when it comes to the technicality of engines, but I have basic knowledge when it comes to properly maintaining the engine and its components. So to tell me in one of your previous posts na wala ring kwenta na bantayan ko sasakyan ko while it's having its PMS at the dealer or whatever car repair shop because hindi ko alam kung ano ang dapat gagawin, is totally absurd.

    You should leave your comfort zone. Have an open mind that the TB, with its VM Motori engines, can be as durable and as reliable as its Japanese competitors.

    It's really nonsense to argue with someone who is closed and narrow minded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbah5 View Post
    I'm the president of the Trailblazer Club of the Philippines, and it is my job to answer back to TB bashers like you. To defend the TB.
    So you are the president of the club. Akala ko salesman ka ng TB. hahaha.

    As president, you should defend your members instead of your ego or new idols.

    If you are open-minded as what you are trying to imply, why not ask for written declaration/assurance from your friendly dealer kahit para sa inyong mga members lang.
    1. That 1st gen TBs are not using surplus base engine parts (cylinder head/blocks, etc) inventories from Europe.
    2. That cylinderhead/block has no known serial defect like crack.
    3. That should crack occur, parts will be replaced with additional/extended warranty for the engine. (Or engine assembly itself upgrade to dura2..... Heheh)

    Better sure di ba?

    Quote Originally Posted by numbah5 View Post
    To say that our TBs aren't as durable and reliable as its Japanese competitors is totally wrong.
    Even GM is cautious regarding the reliability by waiting 3 years (year 2016) of in-use before introducing a product to North America where consumers are protected by lemon law and serial defect is a very big deal. Yet there you are declaring like you see the future 2-3years from now or have seen 90% of vehicle in-use clocking over 100,00miles.

    Quote Originally Posted by numbah5 View Post
    Why would General Motors launch it with the developing world (3rd world), with the 3rd world's notoriously dirty diesel fuel, in mind if it knows that the VM Motori engines that powers it will fail at around 150,000 kms as you have been claiming? And by the way, the 2.8L VM Motori engine will also power the North American version of the Colorado this 2016.
    Profit! and to have a drive system test together with less protected/willing/open-minded test subjects like you.

    See.... hindi ka nga naka feel being betrayed by your new brand kahit na yung binenta pala sa iyo na engine ay meron na pala nakalinya na mas bago in 2years time lang. So paano pala yan nakatali na sa casa ang 1st gen owners. Paano na resale value nyo nyan eh kakaunti lang kayo at halos unique ang engine ninyong mga 1st gen.

    RA428 is having serious issue at 100,000kms according to the link to the other forum that I posted.

    150,000kms is lifetime in Europe cities. I mentioned as reaction to your European diesel>Japanese diesel. I did not single out your TB.

    Quote Originally Posted by numbah5 View Post
    I'm no expert when it comes to the technicality of engines, but I have basic knowledge when it comes to properly maintaining the engine and its components. So to tell me in one of your previous posts na wala ring kwenta na bantayan ko sasakyan ko while it's having its PMS at the dealer or whatever car repair shop because hindi ko alam kung ano ang dapat gagawin, is totally absurd.
    These are your words.....
    "I already owned and currently own the Fortuner, Montero and the Trailblazer. The Fortuner didn't even last with more than 70,000 kms with us. Hanggang 66,000 kms lang, sold it because it lost its power. It was properly maintained by Toyota at bantay na bantay ko pa noon."

    Sold it (Fortuner) because it lost its power. So you mean di na fix ang issue or yung performance was not put back on track kaya mo nabenta. Tapos sabihin mo na may alam ka sa maintaining ng engine at bantay na bantay mo pa talaga ha. Ano ba definition/alam mo na maintenance ng engine? Change oil and filters? Thats all?

    Filipino seamen can attest that no matter how dirty looking the bunker fuel their ship is using, a load of bad/dirtier bunker fuel also exist that can cut their journey short and bring their spanking new ship to the yard for unscheduled maintenance/ parts replacement.

    Quote Originally Posted by numbah5 View Post
    You should leave your comfort zone. Have an open mind that the TB, with its VM Motori engines, can be as durable and as reliable as its Japanese competitors.

    It's really nonsense to argue with someone who is closed and narrow minded.
    My comfort zone is above the futon and below the comforter with HVAC set to 26degC during winter and 22degC during summer. I am sitting while doing all these at pinagtatyagaan ko na saguting itong mga arguements. As far as I know I am leaving my comfort zone already. Hahaha.

    Im done. I'll be back on my comfortable zone. Ganbatte mr president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbah5 View Post
    I'm the president of the Trailblazer Club of the Philippines, and it is my job to answer back to TB bashers like you. To defend the TB.

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    Wow! Thanks for defending us numbah5. Iba ka talaga. #sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsen View Post
    Surely I am not a motoring journalist.

    I am just a nobody in my field of profession because my basic role is simply to digest technical information, understand the technical processes and to be able to help others with any technical issues by:

    1. Providing engineering or technical support.
    2. Creating technical information manuals and service manuals.
    3. Always ready to troubleshoot and provide solutions.
    4. Training customers and technicians.
    at marami pang blah blah blah na iba.

    So far the only respect I earned in my field are from the bosses, from multinational colleagues and counterparts I closely work with.

    How about you? Who are you to throw question like that to me?
    So in short, arsen is one of the author of technical manuals that the likes of niky reads and write about.

    Sent from the Twilight Zone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by e2romo View Post
    So in short, arsen is one of the author of technical manuals that the likes of niky reads and write about.

    Sent from the Twilight Zone...
    Not necessarily. Based on what he posted, I think he works for a Japanese car brand. Maybe one of the engineers of that car brand

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsen View Post
    Tatlong links na binigay ko....

    Aba basa-basa naman kapag may time.

    Post ko ulet

    http://www.lowcvp.org.uk/assets/repo...l%20Report.pdf

    Eto pa ulet pero tingnan nyo muna ang target audience
    http://www.renault.com/fr/lists/arch...e-acv-2011.pdf
    I've read them. Both. From start to finish. And I honestly don't know why you posted them, because they don't say anything about actual service life, mean replacement time for fuel system parts or even common issues.

    One is simply a framework for life cycle analysis as regards disposal and CO2/Pollutant emissions during disposal.

    The Renault study mentions end of life at 10 years / 150,000 kms because this is the normative lifetime target set by the NEDC for calculating lifetime emissiosn. , but this is merely for comparative purposes. As a target with which to compare different versions of the Fluence. You can't honestly believe that Renault is saying its cars last only 150,000 kms?

    This is the target set by the NEDC for calculation of a car's lifetime emissions. Ergo, by 150,000 kms, a car will have caused this much pollution in its manufacture, use and destruction. This is the normative value
    typically used in lifetime emissions studies and now in calculating emissions taxes.

    Just like EPA and CAFE numbers are used to calculate guzzler taxes in the US. These numbers are not meant to be realistic for everyone, they're just a normative reference for calculating tax.

    If you are actually an engineer, you would understand that the numbers given in the paper you presented were only for study purposes, and not a claim of maximum or minimum lifespan for the vehicle in question.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    nakabili na kami sa q ave branch. chev Tb 4x2 LT AT auburn brown kulay. so far so good di pa namin na long drive ikot lang sa q ave and west ave tapos uwi. kulang nalang paleather and pakabit ng pioneer avh or growlaudio baka next week na namin asikasuhin tong mga to sa ngaun laspagin muna namin hehe.

    eto mga cons ko
    too much cheap hard plastic feel sa interior.
    3rd row seats medyo masikip ung leg room pag 5'8 and up ka. slightly better or almost same lang sa 2009 santa fe namin.
    stock sound system is ok ok lang. medyo basag pag nasa malakas na yung volume.


    overall happy naman kami sa TB namin lalo na sa overall look saka sa kulay na nakuha namin buti nalang sakto dating ng auburn brown kanina. driving experience is good for me and my passengers di naman daw matagtag.

    thanks numbah 5 sa pagsagot ng mga tanong ko and sa mga suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahwan02 View Post
    nakabili na kami sa q ave branch. chev Tb 4x2 LT AT auburn brown kulay. so far so good di pa namin na long drive ikot lang sa q ave and west ave tapos uwi. kulang nalang paleather and pakabit ng pioneer avh or growlaudio baka next week na namin asikasuhin tong mga to sa ngaun laspagin muna namin hehe.

    eto mga cons ko
    too much cheap hard plastic feel sa interior.
    3rd row seats medyo masikip ung leg room pag 5'8 and up ka. slightly better or almost same lang sa 2009 santa fe namin.
    stock sound system is ok ok lang. medyo basag pag nasa malakas na yung volume.


    overall happy naman kami sa TB namin lalo na sa overall look saka sa kulay na nakuha namin buti nalang sakto dating ng auburn brown kanina. driving experience is good for me and my passengers di naman daw matagtag.

    thanks numbah 5 sa pagsagot ng mga tanong ko and sa mga suggestion.
    Congrats on your new ride! Check the tire pressure, usually nasa 40+ yung pag labas sa casa, normally it should be 35 front and back, but some people here prefer 32 front. Malaking difference ang tagtag at bounciness ng 5+psi.

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    I agree that objective opinions should be shared here as much as possible, as well as having an open mind to foster healthy discussions. If there are times that we are very passionate about what we are sharing, it would be great for all if ad hominem remarks are excluded.

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    Ang tagal dumating ng delivery ng LTZ.


    Badabing! Badabong!

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