2014 Chevrolet Trailblazer 4x2 AT

[potpot2]

Guys, i have been planning to get one too, but earlier today i was discussing this with a friend, he told me to keep away from the trailblazer because according to him it, " manipis ang kaha at mabilis mangalawang"
Is this true guys


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[victorevolution]

Guys, i have been planning to get one too, but earlier today i was discussing this with a friend, he told me to keep away from the trailblazer because according to him it, " manipis ang kaha at mabilis mangalawang"
Is this true guys


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go to the casa and compare it with it's rival hence no hearsay and 2nd hand opinion

[numbah5]

Guys, i have been planning to get one too, but earlier today i was discussing this with a friend, he told me to keep away from the trailblazer because according to him it, " manipis ang kaha at mabilis mangalawang"
Is this true guys


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That's not true. Marami na sa Trailblazer Club ang nabangga at nasagi. The TB sustained only minor or deep scratches while yung mga nakabanggang sasakyan, yupi ang kaha.

As for your friend, I can say that he is one of the uninformed people. Ask him to go with you sa isang Chevy dealer and pukpukin niyo kaha ng Trailblazer para malaman niyo kung manipis or matibay siya. Masyado naman siyang assuming.

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[arsen]

Hello everyone! I'm in the market for a manual SUV, and my wife and I have narrowed down our choices to either the TBZ or the Fort. How is the fuel efficiency of this car? My boss has a brandnew-ish Fortuner MT and she claims it has the same FC as her previous 2005 Vios. For pure city driving, that is impressive. And compelling. I hope someone can share their experience here.

Thanks!

If you will be spending your hard earned money, better to take the Fort.

As things unfold it looks like GM is dumping the surplus (remaining above what is used or needed) parts from Europe.

The first diesel TB is equipped with the R428 engine now A428 next could be the V6 A630. These engines can no longer be used to the European production line starting October 2014. Any brand new car equipped with the mentioned engines cannot be sold in Europe starting January 2015 due to the Euro VI.

Its nice to have them now for the bragging rights but would you like what could possibly happen after the end of warranty?

Development of small high power diesel engines is now at its peak (at least in Europe). Maybe as early as end of this year or early next year everybody will be surprise that 2.5 liter engines are derated at 100hp due to regulation but in return capable of 30km/l range.

[numbah5]

If you will be spending your hard earned money, better to take the Fort.

As things unfold it looks like GM is dumping the surplus (remaining above what is used or needed) parts from Europe.

The first diesel TB is equipped with the R428 engine now A428 next could be the V6 A630. These engines can no longer be used to the European production line starting October 2014. Any brand new car equipped with the mentioned engines cannot be sold in Europe starting January 2015 due to the Euro VI.

Its nice to have them now for the bragging rights but would you like what could possibly happen after the end of warranty?

Development of small high power diesel engines is now at its peak (at least in Europe). Maybe as early as end of this year or early next year everybody will be surprise that 2.5 liter engines are derated at 100hp due to regulation but in return capable of 30km/l range.

What are you talking about again?? The engines of the Trailblazer are made by VM Motori and they are a new design specifically made by the latter for the Colorado and the Trailblazer. Parts are from Thailand and Brazil, not Europe as you're claiming.

If you'll just post any negative comment about the TB, just keep it to yourself ok? Don't post like you are an expert on the TB and dissuade would be buyers from your unproven claims.

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[arsen]

So negative pala kapag ang R428 and A428 are VM Motori generic engines. Mga pinaglumaan ng Chrysler and already available prior to the conception of your diesel TB?

Specifically made? Yes yung plastic engine cover..... Hahaha

You got the spoils of R428. After 2years new buyers are now getting the A428.

Goodluck to your R428 unit that already ended the mass production.

[e2romo]

So negative pala kapag ang R428 and A428 are VM Motori generic engines. Mga pinaglumaan ng Chrysler and already available prior to the conception of your diesel TB?

Specifically made? Yes yung plastic engine cover..... Hahaha

You got the spoils of R428. After 2years new buyers are now getting the A428.

Goodluck to your R428 unit that already ended the mass production.

Can you provide the link of your source information? TIA

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[victorevolution]

* all please do not mind arsen

check all his post regarding the tb- puro paninira

we have other vehicles in the same class as the tb- among them tb is the best
like numbah 5 he also owns a montero and tb, some of our fellow tsikoters and members of TBCPh and they know which is better

nothing against the fort nor montero (love them in their heydays up until now) but as of the moment they cant compete save if they put the pajero engine again in the monty

si arsen ay parang revival ng gtoil trader who got gun downed in davao

monty- value for money

fort - no value for money some models is still equipped with drum brakes(lahat ata till v(para sa di marunong magbasa sa "rear")) and despite the so called softer suspension mas malambot pa din suspension ng montero(di ko na binangit tb kasi may asong "ulol" dito eh na rabid hater ng tb)

the thing i like about the fort sila naumpisa sa pinas ng mid size suv(though mid size suv during that time ang pajero lumaki na lang at current)

the real battle will begin when the all new fort and all new montero comes out that is if they are equipped with a newer engine(and incoming everest)

and now the monty will even be cheaper * 1 million

[rac98]

* all please do not mind arsen

check all his post regarding the tb- puro paninira

we have other vehicles in the same class as the tb- among them tb is the best
like numbah 5 he also owns a montero and tb, some of our fellow tsikoters and members of TBCPh and they know which is better

nothing against the fort nor montero (love them in their heydays up until now) but as of the moment they cant compete save if they put the pajero engine again in the monty

si arsen ay parang revival ng gtoil trader who got gun downed in davao

monty- value for money

fort - no value for money some models is still equipped with drum brakes(lahat ata till v(para sa di marunong magbasa sa "rear")) and despite the so called softer suspension mas malambot pa din suspension ng montero(di ko na binangit tb kasi may asong "ulol" dito eh na rabid hater ng tb)

the thing i like about the fort sila naumpisa sa pinas ng mid size suv(though mid size suv during that time ang pajero lumaki na lang at current)

the real battle will begin when the all new fort and all new montero comes out that is if they are equipped with a newer engine(and incoming everest)

and now the monty will even be cheaper * 1 million

What he posted surprised me too. But reading some materials from the net, the a428 engine can be modified to meet euro 5 and/or 6 standard. And gm also recently made a powertrain factory for this engine in thailand, making me think 'whats that for if said engine will be discontinued?' it really got me thinking. I'll be damned if what he posted will be the real thing.

Just thinking out loud ...

[arsen]

If parts and components are available, engine assembly can be done anywhere using appropriate wrenches and with skilled workers.

Whereas, engine parts and components manufacturing such as cylinder head, block, crankshaft etc, need large mills for casting and mother machines (milling, lathe, shaping, boring, etc).

2-3 years production is too short to have a return of investment for the design, cnc programing and cost of plant and machineries to manufacture parts and components.

There could be parts and components inventories somewhere else ready to be churned by newly built assembly plant. If it is previously produced, there is already an established assembling standards so it will be also a good OJT opportunity for new workers trying to develop skill.

High power version of R428 (the RA428) came in 2007.

If there is a major issue such as crack cylinder head like this
Wrangler 4dr 2.8 CRD Engine woes - 4x4 Community Forum
Production can be prematurely put on hold causing lots of parts and component inventories.

In the above link, cylinder head failure occured after clocking over 100,000km. Fatigue could be the cause but its already out of warranty mileage.

A428 came in 2010 to improve the R428.

Chevy/Numbah calls the RA428 Duramax1
while the A428 as Duramax2.

In the internet you can find remarkable features of Duramax 2 as follows:

Intake manifold - The new engine uses an enhanced, lighter and higher efficiency intake manifold, which helps improve overall engine performance. The redesigned and improved intake manifold allows increased exhaust gas recirculation and increases air intake efficiency. In conjunction with the new EGR system emissions are reduced.

Cylinder Head - An improved and redesigned cylinder head has a larger exhaust port and water passage to enhance cooling efficiency. The new engine comes with an improved oil distribution channel to enhance lubricant supply in the cylinder head. The second generation cylinder head is lighter and increases overall engine efficiency.

Cylinder block - New water jacket and cooling circuit design in the new cylinder block helps improve heat exchange. The new cylinder block is also lighter, , which contributes to improved vehicle efficiency
Balance shaft unit - Reduces vibration and noise caused by crankshaft and reciprocating parts. Redesigned components inside the balancer shaft and an improved production process reduces engine vibration and noise.

What I see in the above features are countermeasures for cylinder head crack caused by fatigue.

Cyclic external loads like: metal expansion due to heat, restrained contraction as metal cools, moment load by cantilevers (extremities such as manifolds) and vibration could cause fatigue.

How effective is the countermeasures is.... only time could tell.

Sorry for spoiling the fun and excitement. Just wish my analysis is wrong....

Too much said and done from me.

For duramax 1 owners, just be cautious. Check your coolant level before long drives. Look for unusual bubbles immediately after a cold start.

Peace to everyone.

[LoBudget]

The montero engine is also old, they just updated it to fix its old issues and make it compliant to modern standards. Main issues nila ngayon yung egr and mausok agad.

To be honest im still getting over my stigma of american cars. In my previous job i spoke to a lot of mechanics in the US and they all said the same "american cars are junk," that has basically stuck with me since the usual american car brands are gas guzzlers and have expensive parts.

I own a ford now and i dont have any issues with it minus the expensive parts. Lol. and if things comes to pass i might even own a chevy tb.

[CamaroZ28]

Here in Kuwait, American cars are the most reliable ones, can withstand the extreme weather and environment, cheap parts and readily available. Thus, most locals and expats here prefers the American SUVs and cars, like the Chevy and Ford, and you can still see old models, from the 70s till the 90s still running in the streets.

Like my bucket of bolts, an arctic white Chevrolet Camaro Z28 1994 5.7 LT1, got it new in 1994, still alive and running well till now.

At the same time, I had Japanese made i.e. 3000GT and Supra before and dumped them all due to expensive spare parts and maintenance.

I just kept my bucket of bolts, an American junk car.

[numbah5]

The montero engine is also old, they just updated it to fix its old issues and make it compliant to modern standards. Main issues nila ngayon yung egr and mausok agad.

To be honest im still getting over my stigma of american cars. In my previous job i spoke to a lot of mechanics in the US and they all said the same "american cars are junk," that has basically stuck with me since the usual american car brands are gas guzzlers and have expensive parts.

I own a ford now and i dont have any issues with it minus the expensive parts. Lol. and if things comes to pass i might even own a chevy tb.

Actually once you own a TB you'll be surprise how cheaper it is to maintain than its Japanese counterparts PMS costs wise. And you'll like its fuel consumption as well. And one thing also, parts cost is at par with or sometimes cheaper than its Japanese counterparts, due to it being manufactured in Thailand.
With regards to the engine, its really a joint development between GM and VM Motori, but the 2013 models can't be powered by the VM Motori R428 engine since that engine only has 120 kw (161 hp) and 420 Nm of torque. The 2013 TB's engine has 180 ps and 470 Nm of torque. The 2014 TB I'm sure is powered by VM Motori's A428 engine since it has 200 ps and 500 Nm of torque.

Sources:
http://www.vmmotori.com/r-428-dohc/a...28-dohcen.html

http://www.vmmotori.com/a-428-dohc/a...28-dohcen.html

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[arsen]

Actually once you own a TB you'll be surprise how cheaper it is to maintain than its Japanese counterparts PMS costs wise. And you'll like its fuel consumption as well. And one thing also, parts cost is at par with or sometimes cheaper than its Japanese counterparts, due to it being manufactured in Thailand.
With regards to the engine, its really a joint development between GM and VM Motori, but the 2013 models can't be powered by the VM Motori R428 engine since that engine only has 120 kw (161 hp) and 420 Nm of torque. The 2013 TB's engine has 180 ps and 470 Nm of torque. The 2014 TB I'm sure is powered by VM Motori's A428 engine since it has 200 ps and 500 Nm of torque.

Sources:
R 428 DOHC - 4 cylinder engine Euro 5 version: advanced technology. - VM Motori

A 428 DOHC: innovative 4 cylinder engine - VM Motori

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Its RA428.

A similar base engine with R428 but high power setting/different injectors.

[lot]

If parts and components are available, engine assembly can be done anywhere using appropriate wrenches and with skilled workers.

Whereas, engine parts and components manufacturing such as cylinder head, block, crankshaft etc, need large mills for casting and mother machines (milling, lathe, shaping, boring, etc).

2-3 years production is too short to have a return of investment for the design, cnc programing and cost of plant and machineries to manufacture parts and components.

There could be parts and components inventories somewhere else ready to be churned by newly built assembly plant. If it is previously produced, there is already an established assembling standards so it will be also a good OJT opportunity for new workers trying to develop skill.

High power version of R428 (the RA428) came in 2007.

If there is a major issue such as crack cylinder head like this
Wrangler 4dr 2.8 CRD Engine woes - 4x4 Community Forum
Production can be prematurely put on hold causing lots of parts and component inventories.

In the above link, cylinder head failure occured after clocking over 100,000km. Fatigue could be the cause but its already out of warranty mileage.

A428 came in 2010 to improve the R428.

Chevy/Numbah calls the RA428 Duramax1
while the A428 as Duramax2.

In the internet you can find remarkable features of Duramax 2 as follows:



What I see in the above features are countermeasures for cylinder head crack caused by fatigue.

Cyclic external loads like: metal expansion due to heat, restrained contraction as metal cools, moment load by cantilevers (extremities such as manifolds) and vibration could cause fatigue.

How effective is the countermeasures is.... only time could tell.

Sorry for spoiling the fun and excitement. Just wish my analysis is wrong....

Too much said and done from me.

For duramax 1 owners, just be cautious. Check your coolant level before long drives. Look for unusual bubbles immediately after a cold start.

Peace to everyone.

Sir,
Seems to me you have good knowledge when it comes to engines. In your opinion, what is the most durable among the mid size suv that we have here in the Philippines (diesel ones)??
Thanks!

[dahwan02]

pa advise going to buy tb 4x2 auto next week or this week. want best deal sana. ang offer samin sa ngayon. 20k discount plus lto. additional 55k for leather seats and 40k for insurnce. good deal na ba yun? newbie here pa advise naman thanks. want to get the best deal sana.

[numbah5]

pa advise going to buy tb 4x2 auto next week or this week. want best deal sana. ang offer samin sa ngayon. 20k discount plus lto. additional 55k for leather seats and 40k for insurnce. good deal na ba yun? newbie here pa advise naman thanks. want to get the best deal sana.

PM sent sir

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[numbah5]

Sir,
Seems to me you have good knowledge when it comes to engines. In your opinion, what is the most durable among the mid size suv that we have here in the Philippines (diesel ones)??
Thanks!

I previously owned a Fortuner and currently own both the Montero and Trailblazer. I'd say go with the Trailblazer. Nothing beats having a European diesel engine since the TB is powered by a VM Motori Italia sourced diesel engine. CRDi system is also sourced from Europe (either Bosch or other CRDi suppliers).

European diesel engine > Japanese diesel engine

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[arsen]

Sir,
In your opinion, what is the most durable among the mid size suv that we have here in the Philippines (diesel ones)??
Thanks!

If you want durability there are still 2-squirters (injection per cycle) non-variable geometry turbo versions of Toyota's 3.0, Isuzu 3.0, Mitsu 2.5, Toyota 2.5. But time will come that the industry will be completely replaced with 5years, 150,000 life cycle car industry business model.

Based on injector life alone of 1bilion cycles, Japanese 2-3squirtes can last 300,000kms vs European 5-8 squirters which will spend the 1bilion life in 150,000kms.

European climate is cold and diesel is cleaner with high quality fuels. There is a huge market (35%) for diesel engines in Europe but design life cycle is short at 150,000 kms.

Compare naman kasi sa kinikita ng isang European, mas madali sila makapagpalit ng units doon at deretso na sa junkyards kaya doesn't care much sa resale value. Mapipilitan rin talaga sila magpalit due to strict registrations.

In Japan, JAMA through Toyota argued in 2003 that diesel is a dead-end technology and the future is hybrid (not much diesel development in Japan since then other than perfecting the existing models). Nagdare si ACEA (counterpart ng JAMA sa Europe) na patunayan ni Toyota kaya dumami ang Prius.

Anyway for high mileage japanese diesel engine, one can verify it sa mga GT express dyan na mga commonrails na rin like the 2.5 hi-ace commuter vans. Many should be over 300,000 kms by now. Sa dami ng pasahero nya kada trip at kung no major problem/malakas pa rin makina, I think its more than enough proof of expected durability when that particular engine is less stressed in an SUV.

[numbah5]

If you want durability there are still 2-squirters (injection per cycle) non-variable geometry turbo versions of Toyota's 3.0, Isuzu 3.0, Mitsu 2.5, Toyota 2.5. But time will come that the industry will be completely replaced with 5years, 150,000 life cycle car industry business model.

Based on injector life alone of 1bilion cycles, Japanese 2-3squirtes can last 300,000kms vs European 5-8 squirters which will spend the 1bilion life in 150,000kms.

European climate is cold and diesel is cleaner with high quality fuels. There is a huge market (35%) for diesel engines in Europe but design life cycle is short at 150,000 kms.

Compare naman kasi sa kinikita ng isang European, mas madali sila makapagpalit ng units doon at deretso na sa junkyards kaya doesn't care much sa resale value. Mapipilitan rin talaga sila magpalit due to strict registrations.

In Japan, JAMA through Toyota argued in 2003 that diesel is a dead-end technology and the future is hybrid (not much diesel development in Japan since then other than perfecting the existing models). Nagdare si ACEA (counterpart ng JAMA sa Europe) na patunayan ni Toyota kaya dumami ang Prius.

Anyway for high mileage japanese diesel engine, one can verify it sa mga GT express dyan na mga commonrails na rin like the 2.5 hi-ace commuter vans. Many should be over 300,000 kms by now. Sa dami ng pasahero nya kada trip at kung no major problem/malakas pa rin makina, I think its more than enough proof of expected durability when that particular engine is less stressed in an SUV.

Uhm where did you get your info about the life cycle of European diesels versus Japanese diesels?

Have you owned both to conclude such things?

Halata masyado bias mo sa mga Japanese brands.

I already owned and currently own the Fortuner, Montero and the Trailblazer. The Fortuner didn't even last with more than 70,000 kms with us. Hanggang 66,000 kms lang, sold it because it lost its power. It was properly maintained by Toyota at bantay na bantay ko pa noon. Hirap na sa arangkada. The Montero 3.2 non VGT naman, more than a year pa lang with 25,000 kms mileage with us, started to experience power loss due to clogged EGR valves. Madalas kong pinapalinis sa Mitsubishi casa once I feel the power loss. By that may premium diesels na ang Shell and Petron. Minsan pa nga sa sobrang OC ko pati intake manifold pinapalinis ko. Same goes with our Strada 2.5 non VGT but the power loss started at 60,000 kms and 4th year of ownership (during its 4th with us lang nasimulang magamit madalas). Again, bantay na bantay ko sila every PMS. Sa OC ko ba namang ito when it comes to car maintenance. I also buy my own oil since mas kampante ako sa binibili kong oil. Tapos nasakto pa na nagpalit na ako ng SCV ni Monty 2 years ago, a week after the warranty expired, with 64,000 km mileage. Last February naman si Strada with 118,000 km mileage. And its problems started to manifest already.

For the TB naman, no engine problems so far with already 28,000 km mileage and 1 year and almost 3 months of ownership. And one of our members sa Trailblazer Club has 49,000 km mileage, wala ding engine problems. Pag may problem siya, kinukwento niya sa akin. No engine problems, only minor suspension problems (squeeking sound).

Fort, Monty and Strada have Japanese made engines, TB has a European made engine. That also goes for the Ranger as well (Duratorq engines are actually a collaboration between Ford and PSA Peugeot Citröen)

Again these are my own personal observations with the 3 competing SUVs which I owned and currently own.

If the TB is not a good, durable and reliable SUV, we won't buy one in the first place. Even James Deakin won't buy one also (he bought one just a few weeks ago). This also goes for the rapidly increasing number of Trailblazer owners as well.

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