If you are the HR of a company, which do you prefer?

[CVT]

meron kasi akong case na nakita SHE CHEATED her resume (yes, obviously she's a girl and she cheated) making to appear on it that she was a college grad although she only finished 3 years in college but it is real that she acquired a job experience already, the story is she was hired as a marketing manager, then nung nasa loob na siya na-background check at nalaman na undergrad pala siya, so hindi naman siya sinibak kasi ok ang performance niya, so ano insight niyo sa ganun?


let's say typically your a CEO and protocol must be the staffs are college grads, iteterminate niyo ba pero kapakipakinabang naman? pardon me if I only have a limited point of view and also pardon my ignorance masters. Thank you.

Cheaters should have no place in the corporate world....

Put3, simula pa lang palusot na,... Asa ka pa?......

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[CVT]

yeah, but the problem is meron minimum qualification and one of those eh dapat degree holder, the HR should have not even considered yun under grad on the said position, hinde na dapat umabot sa interview process. sa initial screening pa lang bagsak na dapat dahil hinde nga qualified.

kasi for me, kung meron minimum qualification eh sundin dapat ng HR yan, kung hinde eh di para saan pa yun nilabas na requirements?

Agree with you bro. Those procedures should ensure order and structure in the company....

Tanggalin na lang nila ang minimum qualification kung ayaw rin nilang sundin.... Bara-bara bay na lang ang hiring... Kagulo iyan, probably not now, but in the near future... And, who's to blame for that?

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[shadow]

meron kasi akong case na nakita SHE CHEATED her resume (yes, obviously she's a girl and she cheated) making to appear on it that she was a college grad although she only finished 3 years in college but it is real that she acquired a job experience already, the story is she was hired as a marketing manager, then nung nasa loob na siya na-background check at nalaman na undergrad pala siya, so hindi naman siya sinibak kasi ok ang performance niya, so ano insight niyo sa ganun?


let's say typically your a CEO and protocol must be the staffs are college grads, iteterminate niyo ba pero kapakipakinabang naman? pardon me if I only have a limited point of view and also pardon my ignorance masters. Thank you.

should not be tolerated, terminated na kaagad dapat. no explanation needed. unfair sa ibang employees na honest and qualified talaga and mas unfair doon sa dapat na nasa position niya pero hinde nakuha dahil sa kalokohan niya.

[oliver1013]

Depende rin sa posisyon, kung call center di na rin siguro dapat college graduate basta mahusay magsalita..

Sa Sales naman, basta may skills at may tamang attitude depende sa environment ng produkto pwede na rin i override yung education attiainment.

May barkada ako head ng isang kumpanya, sarap daw mag power trip sa mga graduate ng malulupet na kolehiyo lalo na daw yung kulay blue at green, may mga ere daw kahit bagong pasok lang. Buti pa daw yung mga graduate sa probinsiya na kolehiyo fight lang ng fight walang reklamo.

[Ry_Tower]

opinion ko diyan: no one is irreplaceable

May-ari nga napapalitan eh. hehe

[Just]

yung case nito is different from madiskarte na undergrad vs. college grad na medyo hindi madiskarte. this one is a case of cheating na, undergrad pa, san ka pa? hahaha
if i was the hr manager, fired on the spot yan.

[bmacavanza]

hinde naman apple to apple kung ang hiring ay between new grad & experienced. so dapat lang ang new grad ay trainee muna until he is competent to do the task.

[CVT]

Depende rin sa posisyon, kung call center di na rin siguro dapat college graduate basta mahusay magsalita..

Sa Sales naman, basta may skills at may tamang attitude depende sa environment ng produkto pwede na rin i override yung education attiainment.

May barkada ako head ng isang kumpanya, sarap daw mag power trip sa mga graduate ng malulupet na kolehiyo lalo na daw yung kulay blue at green, may mga ere daw kahit bagong pasok lang. Buti pa daw yung mga graduate sa probinsiya na kolehiyo fight lang ng fight walang reklamo.

Bro.,- Iyan naman ang mali,- mag-power trip, lalo na kung ikaw ang nasa posisyon.... Nahuhubog naman iyan. And in the end, either you shape up or you ship out...

May karma iyan,- at mas matindi ang balik... Doon siya matakot.

Itanong mo na lang sa kanya kung saan niya gustong ipasok ang mga anak niya sa kolehiyo,- at bakit?

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[Bogeyman]

Generally, I'd stick with the minimum qualifications. If the position calls for a college degree, so be it. Pero hindi naman to the point of favoring graduates from just the top institutions. Kahit college or university pa yan sa probinsiya, basta may degree, equal chances dapat.

As an aside, kung aptitude versus attitude ang pag-uusapan, dun ako sa attitude. Kasi yung skills, pwede namang ituro yan on the job, pero yung personality and character, innate na yan. If you do have the right skills but don't possess the right attitude for the job (tipong mareklamo, daming demands, nagmamarunong, mahirap pakisamahan), lumipat ka na lang ng ibang trabaho.

[vinj]

Pero hindi naman to the point of favoring graduates from just the top institutions. Kahit college or university pa yan sa probinsiya, basta may degree, equal chances dapat.

Although i am from one of the top educational institutions in the country, we've been getting allergic to hiring fresh grads from the so-called "big three" schools here at the office. The normal case is you train them then they move on to higher paying jobs within a year or two. You hire some as Management Trainees with above average starting pay (normally those that graduate with honors) but when it comes to actual performance, most have not been up to the job as nothing really beats the school of hard knocks when it comes to management level prowess. We've been getting better returns from students from respectable, mid-level schools (whether it be provincial or from the NCR) as you train them and they reward you with loyalty.

[Ry_Tower]

^ papanong hindi aalis, eh karamihan ng mga top businesses eh sila nasa "top 3" din may-ari hehe

[ooba99]

meron kasi akong case na nakita SHE CHEATED her resume (yes, obviously she's a girl and she cheated) making to appear on it that she was a college grad although she only finished 3 years in college but it is real that she acquired a job experience already, the story is she was hired as a marketing manager, then nung nasa loob na siya na-background check at nalaman na undergrad pala siya, so hindi naman siya sinibak kasi ok ang performance niya, so ano insight niyo sa ganun?.

Ang bait naman ng company na yan. It tolerated dishonesty. I still believe that "the end does not justify the means". She should have been meted with at least a serious sanction if there are mitigating factors that deter her termination. Just my 2 cents.

[vinj]

^ papanong hindi aalis, eh karamihan ng mga top businesses eh sila nasa "top 3" din may-ari hehe

LOL. Money talks. Gone too are the days when a person would be loyal to a company for several years and earn his way up the ranks; the faster one can move up, the better, and they see the way to achieve this is through jumping around. That's the stance taken by most.

* the case of forging records. That is dishonesty and fraud. If a person can do that once, what the more if she already has authority and there's good money involved.

[Ry_Tower]

LOL. Money talks. Gone too are the days when a person would be loyal to a company for several years and earn his way up the ranks; the faster one can move up, the better, and they see the way to achieve this is through jumping around. That's the stance taken by most.

* the case of forging records. That is dishonesty and fraud. If a person can do that once, what the more if she already has authority and there's good money involved.

Ewan ko lang ha if tama sentiment ko na because na rin of the very competitive corporate environment that we have, everyone is so dispensable that companies din cultured a sense that "nobody is irreplaceable". So parang yung iba, nauuna na lang umalis.

Pero if one is after greener pastures, mahirap din kontrahin pa yun.

[CVT]

Ewan ko lang ha if tama sentiment ko na because na rin of the very competitive corporate environment that we have, everyone is so dispensable that companies din cultured a sense that "nobody is irreplaceable". So parang yung iba, nauuna na lang umalis.

Pero if one is after greener pastures, mahirap din kontrahin pa yun.

Especially if the opportunity is outside of the country... Almost all of the times, no brainer na iyan. That is, walang counter-offer...

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[keithdb]

minimum requirements should be followed as SOP but of course there are always exceptions to the rule. Kung talagang may abilidad yung non-college graduate but experienced applicant then why not. Bottom line is you get who is most capable and you can determine that through your screening process. I had participated in technical interviews for our company, and lot of these so called college graduates know squat that I wonder how they were able to graduate in their course.

[Ry_Tower]

minimum requirements should be followed as SOP but of course there are always exceptions to the rule. Kung talagang may abilidad yung non-college graduate but experienced applicant then why not. Bottom line is you get who is most capable and you can determine that through your screening process. I had participated in technical interviews for our company, and lot of these so called college graduates know squat that I wonder how they were able to graduate in their course.

Bale nadaan sa lagay at paiyak-iyak or sa guwapo/ganda. hehehe