gmelina or mahogany farming anyone?

[morningbliss]

Nabasa ko na to before, another reason why i am only considering gmelina as "paningit", and only if i can find a steady market. They do sell gmelina lumber at wilcon builders. I'll check also with matimco if they buy gmelina timber.

ah ok sir...pero sakin malamang mas malaki ung concentration ng mahogany...un nga lang ung timetrame mas mabilis ung sa gmelina pero market risk ok ung gmelina..kaya sakin tulad mo paningit lang para may pantawid pera kumbaga habang aantayin ung maturity ng mahogany.

[morningbliss]

bro hindi mo pwedeng singitan ang gmelina papatayin lang ang katabi niya. pag binenta mo naman hindi per board feet kukunin sayo kundi per hectare bibilhin ang puno mo (kung ilang ektarya yung tinaniman mo yun ang pepresyuhan ng buyer) sila na rin ang bahalang mag harvest.

yan ba ang standard buy and sell ng gmelina ngayon sir? magkano ang per hectare ngayon at ano ung spacing nung per hectare nila kasi ung no. of trees mag iiba...parang unfair sa tingin ko pag ganun...

[morningbliss]

Maganda sana kaso labor intensive. In the article itself there is contained the word which all land owners dread most - tenant.

good point at nabanggit mo eto sir yebo sa previous post kaya nasabi ko din sa mga kasma ko sa work na gus2 maginvest sa coconut...
pero naisip ko baka pwedeng 3 sets of trees ang pwede ko invest gmelina, mahogany at rubber tree...pero dpende pa need pa aral aral...

[morningbliss]

Maganda ang kape at rubber tree sa hindi dinadaanan ng bagyo, labor intensive din ang mga ito. You have to consider also climate change - kung noon hindi binabagyo ang South at North, ngayon madalas na.

I have 6has mixed gmelina,mahogany,& pili trees. Labor intensive lang forthe first year habang lumalaki ang puno. Now on its 5th year, 40-50footer na ang puno. Mahina sa bagyo ang gmelina parang puno ng manga. Kaya yung 8has mango orchard plano ko gawing mixed farm. Mas maganda daw ang roi sa poultry with the new technology, eto ang sinubukan ko ngayon, pero you have to employ atleast 2 laborers.

Another problem nga pala sa timberland na walang bakod at hindi ka full-time, ay yang squatters.I suggest kung medyo alangan ka sa tenancy kahit not under carp ang land, mag hire ka ng caretaker na renewal basis ang contrata. Hindi sakit sa ulo compared sa tenancy ng coco and riceland.

hello 12vdc kabayan, galing naman nakauna ka na ng maaga sa mga plantations mo...nice nice..
san mo pala nabili ung seeds mo for mahogany?honduras malamang yan...

alam nyo din po ba ung mga programs ng DENR na nagpapa lease ng lupa for 25 years renewable? ung IFMA 500 hectare minimum pero sobrang laki na ng kapital nun pang corporation nahehehe...iba padin ung private kasi mapapamana mo sa future generations...

plano ko din mag integrate ng agri-forest-poultry farming at mag allot din ng kahit 1 hectare na rainforest....panay plans palang hehe

[morningbliss]

How about mushrooms under the trees? My father and i made a mushroom bed years ago, just for home use, and we ended up supplying mushrooms to our neighbors for weeks just from a 2 square meter bed!

imagine mo sir pag hectares na yan hahaha....

[12vdc]

hello 12vdc kabayan, galing naman nakauna ka na ng maaga sa mga plantations mo...nice nice..
san mo pala nabili ung seeds mo for mahogany?honduras malamang yan...

alam nyo din po ba ung mga programs ng DENR na nagpapa lease ng lupa for 25 years renewable? ung IFMA 500 hectare minimum pero sobrang laki na ng kapital nun pang corporation nahehehe...iba padin ung private kasi mapapamana mo sa future generations...

plano ko din mag integrate ng agri-forest-poultry farming at mag allot din ng kahit 1 hectare na rainforest....panay plans palang hehe

Its not a seed but a ready-to plant cuttings(if marcotted) nasa plastic bags. Sa Los Banos karamihan ng fruit trees. Pero later batch sa DENR sa regional office and some from seed farms ng dept of agri. I heared that program pero small time lang yung sakin. Low maintenance, long yeild at ang risk mo dito is the typhoon, forest fires, and squatting kaya dapat malinis. Maganda talaga magtanim ng magtanim and mixed agri, I have yet to inherit some cocoland na plan ko convert sa mixed-timberland, mahina kasi ang coco kung hindi nababantayan. I have some exploration na din sa organic farming using african worms and later Manila Elemi, nakakalibang. hehe

[Syuryuken]

yan ba ang standard buy and sell ng gmelina ngayon sir? magkano ang per hectare ngayon at ano ung spacing nung per hectare nila kasi ung no. of trees mag iiba...parang unfair sa tingin ko pag ganun...

dito sa amin bro ganyan na ang kalakaran kahit maliit pa yung puno napresyuhan na yung ibang buyer sila na rin ang bahala sa maintenance kumbaga yung pagtatanim mo lang ang naging gastos mo.

[chrismarte]

How about mushrooms under the trees? My father and i made a mushroom bed years ago, just for home use, and we ended up supplying mushrooms to our neighbors for weeks just from a 2 square meter bed!

chief yebo, ano binhi nang mushroom?

[morningbliss]

Its not a seed but a ready-to plant cuttings(if marcotted) nasa plastic bags. Sa Los Banos karamihan ng fruit trees. Pero later batch sa DENR sa regional office and some from seed farms ng dept of agri. I heared that program pero small time lang yung sakin. Low maintenance, long yeild at ang risk mo dito is the typhoon, forest fires, and squatting kaya dapat malinis. Maganda talaga magtanim ng magtanim and mixed agri, I have yet to inherit some cocoland na plan ko convert sa mixed-timberland, mahina kasi ang coco kung hindi nababantayan. I have some exploration na din sa organic farming using african worms and later Manila Elemi, nakakalibang. hehe

ah ok sir...dmo po ata nabanggit kung ung sa DENR or Los banos eh honduras mahogany...ung sa manila seedlings bank kasi panay philippine mahogany ang binebenta na seeds....
masaya yan bro...gus2 ko nga din nung organic farming....hirap nga lang kasi sa ngayon OFW ako...cgro pag established na ung farms ko at meron na akong ibang commercial sources ng income pwede na uwi at mag explore sa agri-forest-pultry farming...

[morningbliss]

dito sa amin bro ganyan na ang kalakaran kahit maliit pa yung puno napresyuhan na yung ibang buyer sila na rin ang bahala sa maintenance kumbaga yung pagtatanim mo lang ang naging gastos mo.

ah ganun ba...ano ung spacing nyo sa gmelina at magkano ung per hectare dun sa sinasabi ninyong kalakaran sa inyo sir?

[morningbliss]

bro dito din ako sa norte. yung manager kasi ng Allied Bank nagsimula sa 2 ektarya ng rubber tree after 5 years ang harvest ngayon isang bundok na yung plantation niya.

rubber tree or coconut tree: Rubber Plantation vs. Coconut Agribusiness: Which is more profitable?

nakita ko po ung cost and return analysis ng rubber tree...ganda kasi detailed...sana meron din ganito for mahogany at gmelina...based kasi sa rough estimation ni yebo eh annually, millions ang pwedeng kitahin ng isang gmelinat/or mahogany plantations per hectare...pero ung sa rubber tree nasa 106,000 annually...parang ang layo po ata ng discrepancy..unless magkaroon din tau ng same detailed cost return analysis for mahogany and gmelina....

[morningbliss]

i've been thinking lately on where to invest long term (besides stocks market). as i do not have much business acumen like some guys here (nakakainggit naman kayo!) and also do not have the time to look after the business full time (OFW) i prefer something that i (used to) know and like to do. i have been looking for some farm land for tree farming, of either gmelina (paper tree) or mahogany. the gemelina will be for medium term income (5-7 years) while the mahogany for retirement (15+ years). as per the research i've done so far, gmelina can be sold for 1.5-2k per tree after 5 years, and the mahogany around 10k-15k per tree after 15 years (price varies on location, lower where there is illegal logging).

i'm doing my computations on the over pessimistic side, lower end less 20%, so that will be 1.2k/tree for gmelina and 8k/tree for mahogany. sobrang pessimistic ba? at the spacing of 1.5 meters for gmelina and 2.5 meters for mahogany, and basing on a square planting pattern (less efficient) as against a hexagonal pattern (more efficient) to compensate for tree loss due to thinning/stunted growth/desease/typhoons (again very pessimistic at only 50+% survival rate), that's 4,400 trees/heactare for gmelina and 1600 trees/hectare for mahogany. (note: tree density increases by a factor of almost 2 using a hexagonal pattern). yield for gmelina after 5-7 years (again, pessimistic so 7 years) = 5.28M/hectare. for mahogany it's 12.8M/hectare after 15 years. i intend to plant 5 hectares to gmelina and 10 hectares to mahogany.

price per hectare is 225-250k at the location i'm targetting (in central luzon, no illegal logging, no NPA). i will start from seeds (not seedlings, i do have the time to plant seeds) so that means minimal expense. i will also be using chicken manure for fertilizer, which i had been told is necessary if the trees are planted on low grade soil (but i will be buying land good enough for vegetables). my estimate is 300k/hectare innitial investment (land, seeds, labor) for both gmelina and mahogany plus additional 20k/year/hectare. for 7 years, total investment on the 5 hectare plot planted to gmelina will be 2.2M, yield estimate is 26M. for the 10 hectare planted to mahogany, 15 years total investment will be 6M, and yield estimate is 128M.

would you consider this a good venture? is anyone here into tree farming? please try very hard to discourage me

sir yebo, parang di kasi aabot sa 100% more trees ang accomodate ng hexa vs square...pag cocompute mo, around 15% more lang po ung advantage...below is ung quote nung nakita ko sa link na eto, Horticulture :: Orchard Management


"b) Alternate row planting pattern
3. Hexagonal System: In this method, the trees are planted in each comer of an equilateral triangle. This way six trees form a hexagon with the seventh tree in the centre. Therefore this system is also called as 'septule' as a seventh tree is accommodated in the centre of hexagon. This system provides equal spacing but it is difficult to layout. The perpendicular distance between any two adjacent rows is equal to the product of 0.866 x the distance between any two trees. As the perpendicular distance between any two row is less than unity, this system accommodates 15% more trees than the square system. The limitations of this system are that it is difficult to layout and the cultivation is not so easily done as in the square system."

[ghost recon]

bro hindi mo pwedeng singitan ang gmelina papatayin lang ang katabi niya. pag binenta mo naman hindi per board feet kukunin sayo kundi per hectare bibilhin ang puno mo (kung ilang ektarya yung tinaniman mo yun ang pepresyuhan ng buyer) sila na rin ang bahalang mag harvest.

actually pwede rin per boardfoot ibenta ang gmelina mas malaki pa ang kita. nauso kasi yang per hectare kasi pag pinuputol ng buyer gulong-gulong na lang dahil ginagawang crates or paleta..meron pa nga per kilo.

[Syuryuken]

ah ganun ba...ano ung spacing nyo sa gmelina at magkano ung per hectare dun sa sinasabi ninyong kalakaran sa inyo sir?

2 meters x 2 meters sir yung presyo bidding din ang labas niya.

[yebo]

Mushroom spores ang tinatanim, nabibili yun naka-bottle, may different varieties. Dati sa bureau of plant industry meron nun.

sa area ko kasi compute yung x2, since aeea of a square = side^2 while area ng equilateral triangle = side^2/2. So kung sa distance mo i-based parang 15%, pero pag sa area x2. Try ko i-layout on paper...wait lang on the road ako bukas pa ko makauwi.

[morningbliss]

Mushroom spores ang tinatanim, nabibili yun naka-bottle, may different varieties. Dati sa bureau of plant industry meron nun.

sa area ko kasi compute yung x2, since aeea of a square = side^2 while area ng equilateral triangle = side^2/2. So kung sa distance mo i-based parang 15%, pero pag sa area x2. Try ko i-layout on paper...wait lang on the road ako bukas pa ko makauwi.

ok ung mushroom idea mo sir yebo....isasama ko din yan sa mga pagaaralan...

ok pakishare na lang po ung layout ninyo..ingat sa byahe

[Lew_Alcindor]

Havent read all of the posg here. ButId rather invest in high value crops rather than plant trees that requires approval from denr. Alam mo mo naman kalakaran sa gobyerno.

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[morningbliss]

Havent read all of the posg here. ButId rather invest in high value crops rather than plant trees that requires approval from denr. Alam mo mo naman kalakaran sa gobyerno.

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if long term investment, para sakin i prefer ung tree plantation kasi ung ROI eh talagang malaki...i think basta dumaan ka lang sa tamang process sa pagdedeclare ng plantation farm mo sa denr, i dont see any issue pag logging and processing na...

well para sakin lang naman, gus2 ko talaga i pursue ung long term investment na eto...and isang reason pa is medyo malapit ako sa nature...

[morningbliss]

sir yebo, sa tingin mo ung soil quality na pwede sa sugarcane plantation eh maganda for mahogany plantation?

[yebo]

Ang nakita ko lang na requirement e well drained soil. Not recommended yung flooded (like rice paddy).

Yung sa square and hexagonal, x2 talaga ang difference e. Sorry sira scanner ko but i laid it out on paper, x2 talaga. By area kasi, not by length. Yung by length, sine 60 degrees = 0.86 kaya sabi sa nabasa mo e 15% difference lang. Pero by area dapat mo computin. Area of square = 2.5x2.5 = 6.25 square meter. While area of equilateral triangle is actually even smaller than 1/2 of a square of the same sides, A= sides^2(square root 3)/4, for 2.5 meters distance = 2.70 sq. meters. So pwede pa lakihan ang distance and still have 2x the number of seedlings per hectare. For x2 s=2.7 meters instead of 2.5 meters.