considering HID, but...

[dirk_diggler]

even with the retrofit HID, isn't it blinding to the car in front of you when he looks at the rear view/side mirrors? I typically experience this during traffic, when the car behind me (I think) has HID headlights. I literally cover my rear view mirror, or tilt it, just until we get moving again. I don't want the same thing to happen to cars in front of me in case I get HID's.

I'm also thinking about what if I need to flash my high beams in cases where another car would, let's say, try to cross my path? Isn't that a no-no for HID's?

If I install 6000K HID's, will our ever-vigilant MMDA/traffic enforcers flag me? What does the law actually say about HID's?

Lastly, my headlights are not clear-type. Does that mean I also need to find clear glass headlights in addition to the retrofit HID's?

My village is not well-lit, so I sometimes need brighter lights, but this HID thing seems to be more trouble than it's worth.

Thoughts? Thanks.

[GodziRRa!]

Actually even if it's not HID as long as the car behind you is taller like vans, pick ups, tendency is their head light beam will reflect directly to your rear view mirror. So you need to tilt it, no need to cover it. Besides during night time it is advisable to tilt you rear view to avoid glare.

I've been an HID user ever since the xenon bulbs days, it's just like a normal head light. You can flash other cars as normal, just practice driver courtesy of course... especially if the car in front of you keeps flashing maybe he is all dazzled up, just turn it off.

MMDAs / officers have nothing on HIDs as of now AFAIK.

No need for a clear crystal type head lamp, your non clear type will work just fine.

In my own humble opinion, just go ahead w/ it. Especially since you said the village your in is not well lit.

[Ry_Tower]

Actually even if it's not HID as long as the car behind you is taller like vans, pick ups, tendency is their head light beam will reflect directly to your rear view mirror. So you need to tilt it, no need to cover it. Besides during night time it is advisable to tilt you rear view to avoid glare.

I've been an HID user ever since the xenon bulbs days, it's just like a normal head light. You can flash other cars as normal, just practice driver courtesy of course... especially if the car in front of you keeps flashing maybe he is all dazzled up, just turn it off.

MMDAs / officers have nothing on HIDs as of now AFAIK.

No need for a clear crystal type head lamp, your non clear type will work just fine.

In my own humble opinion, just go ahead w/ it. Especially since you said the village your in is not well lit.

+1 on just using the tilt of the rear view mirror. But if you believe that your projection is just right, don't shut off the lights esp in hway speeds, delikado IMO. High beam mo lang to say na you are already using the low beam.

Also, AFAIK dapat clear lens na yung HL para mas sulit HID.

[garyq]

The HID lighting system was never designed to be used with your stock halogen headlight. This is not a subjective comment but something that is based on science. Madami nang discussion thread over this, pls try searching.

about blinding from behind:

with plug and play HID, yes it will cause so much glare pag nasa likod mo and especially pagSUV. Pag retrofitted with HID projectors, NO even with SUVs. The cutoff will not be over your rear view mirror so hindi ka masisilaw.

about flashing: not a problem as long as you dont flash crazy. Just to comment on this habit of most motorists: it is not courteous to flash. Let him pass or use your brakesMakakarating naman tayo lahat sa pupuntahan natin.

of course you can use non-clear headlamps but the question is..will you maximize the output of the bulb? No. will it cause glare to other motorists? Yes

HID more trouble than it's worth? Yes, if its used in the wrong way. Trouble not just to you bit also to other motorists.

[GodziRRa!]

Been using HID on a non clear head lamp as well as a clear one. Yes the HID is not as optimum on a non clear head lamps vs. clear crystal type ones. But it's tolerable, not that big of a thing to even consider buying a new clear type head lamp.

[desert fox]

wala pa bang nabibiling aftermarket autodimmer rearview mirror sa banawe? effective yun sa mga ganyang highbeam lamps....

[GodziRRa!]

wala pa bang nabibiling aftermarket autodimmer rearview mirror sa banawe? effective yun sa mga ganyang highbeam lamps....

Ahhh... ayos yan ah.

[Starex_Gold]

wala pa bang nabibiling aftermarket autodimmer rearview mirror sa banawe? effective yun sa mga ganyang highbeam lamps....

Wala bro DF. Dito sa pinas Hyundai-Kia may ganyan pero sa TOTL lang. Next na meron nyan yung American Cars at Euro Cars na. Hahaha

Anyway, retrofitting will be the best option. Nasubukan ko na yung HID sa frosted HL, Isuzu Trooper.. result: pure BS. Mukhang mas malakas pa kung Philips XV bulbs nalang. Sa clear type HL, malakas talaga pero minsan nakaka-silaw talaga sa kasalubong. Kung H4 type ang headlights wag na ipa-HID, wala lang mararating na maayos yan.

Been there, done that, walang magandang dulot kapag sabog ang HID.

[desert fox]

Ahhh... ayos yan ah.

Oo bro, meron nyan sasakyan ko.....goodygoody....pero me nakita ako sa internet,korean site me aftermarket na meron pa compass at parang meron din camera screen for reversing.....

[desert fox]

Wala bro DF. Dito sa pinas Hyundai-Kia may ganyan pero sa TOTL lang. Next na meron nyan yung American Cars at Euro Cars na. Hahaha

Anyway, retrofitting will be the best option. Nasubukan ko na yung HID sa frosted HL, Isuzu Trooper.. result: pure BS. Mukhang mas malakas pa kung Philips XV bulbs nalang. Sa clear type HL, malakas talaga pero minsan nakaka-silaw talaga sa kasalubong. Kung H4 type ang headlights wag na ipa-HID, wala lang mararating na maayos yan.

Been there, done that, walang magandang dulot kapag sabog ang HID.

aha..kung maka-import pala tsikot nyan, for sure mabenta yan sa atin broSG.....kasi madami nakaHID na sa atin for sure....

[GodziRRa!]

Oo bro, meron nyan sasakyan ko.....goodygoody....pero me nakita ako sa internet,korean site me aftermarket na meron pa compass at parang meron din camera screen for reversing.....

Ooooh. Nice! Actually, I also another kind of rear view fitted on a GT-R R32 na mukang my GPS pa on the side w/ matching Jap girl voice talking!

[desert fox]

Ooooh. Nice! Actually, I also another kind of rear view fitted on a GT-R R32 na mukang my GPS pa on the side w/ matching Jap girl voice talking!

nyahaha...gandaganda naman..ok na jap voice wag lang taga India..parang pinitpit na lata....jk.

[111prez]

do HIDs fall under this LTO violation kaya?

51. Installation of dim/colored lights, strobe lights, dancing lights or similar lights - to be imposed upon the owner/driver of the motor vehicles - 600.00 (ref: The Land Transportation Office of the Philippines)

HIDs are generally white but there are some with a tint of color

this regulation is too general to be sure because of the phrase "xxx or similar lights."

LTO can construe "similar lights" as those not being standard and generally accepted

the penalty is only P600 but what a pain having to pay this everytime you encounter an LTO enforcer. it will just add up

[Ry_Tower]

do HIDs fall under this LTO violation kaya?

51. Installation of dim/colored lights, strobe lights, dancing lights or similar lights - to be imposed upon the owner/driver of the motor vehicles - 600.00 (ref: The Land Transportation Office of the Philippines)

HIDs are generally white but there are some with a tint of color

this regulation is too general to be sure because of the phrase "xxx or similar lights."

LTO can construe "similar lights" as those not being standard and generally accepted

the penalty is only P600 but what a pain having to pay this everytime you encounter an LTO enforcer. it will just add up

^ more reason to either use better h4 bulbs or go all out for an HID rettofit just to avoid hassle from LTO officers.

[renzo_d10]

Forget the authority, they can't even differentiate HID from Halogen.

On topic : Yes, you should buy clear headlamps if you're going HID route. Doing so enables you to 1. Have a retrofit & 2. ( might ) lessen ( again, lessen, not delete ) the glare to oncoming traffic.

I've seen some cars ( w/ frosted hl's & not ) with HIDs, most of them are rather glare-ful ( LOL. ) than giving you an assist on poor-lit roads. On frosted HL's, HID wouldnt give you much help, else, it would just tend to blind oncoming motorists. Same goes with clear headlamps, some DEPO brand produce glare, while some, the Vios XX as an example, give a clean cut even equipped with HIDs. It depends, really. But having a retrofit ( may it be bolt-on or not ) would surely be worth your time. Not only it would look good on your car, it also maximizes the use of your HID kit. If that's worth the buck? Surely it does. If going HID is worth the hassle? Maybe. But remember, if you're going for PNP kits for the sake of having better lighting, forget it, there are much better halogen bulbs there that are cheaper & doesn't produce much glare.

[dirk_diggler]

Thank you very much for everyone's inputs. Very informative.

As much as I want HID, I think the best route for me right now is just to stick with better halogen lights, and maybe clean the glass lens itself para mas ok yung buga ng light.

Let's face it, aside from the improvement in visibility, me pogi points din ang HID, so all the more to go for it, but I guess I have to face the fact that my car is not "HID-friendly", and I have go through a lot of hoops para lang magkaron nun -- clear lens, retrofit, etc.

If I go with Philips XP or Osram NB, will my frosted lens produce more glare than conventional halogen lamps?

[renzo_d10]

You can always go with higher wattage halogen bulbs, just remember it would be needing a different relay and an aftermarket ceramic socket as not to burn the reflector bowl.

May I know what's your car, sir? Upgrading to clear headlamps isn't that costly and can even improve your visibility if paired with a good set of halogen bulbs & not to mention, the added good looks & slight uniqueness from others.

[Ry_Tower]

Thank you very much for everyone's inputs. Very informative.

As much as I want HID, I think the best route for me right now is just to stick with better halogen lights, and maybe clean the glass lens itself para mas ok yung buga ng light.

Let's face it, aside from the improvement in visibility, me pogi points din ang HID, so all the more to go for it, but I guess I have to face the fact that my car is not "HID-friendly", and I have go through a lot of hoops para lang magkaron nun -- clear lens, retrofit, etc.

If I go with Philips XP or Osram NB, will my frosted lens produce more glare than conventional halogen lamps?

No it won't technically,

[dirk_diggler]

You can always go with higher wattage halogen bulbs, just remember it would be needing a different relay and an aftermarket ceramic socket as not to burn the reflector bowl.

May I know what's your car, sir? Upgrading to clear headlamps isn't that costly and can even improve your visibility if paired with a good set of halogen bulbs & not to mention, the added good looks & slight uniqueness from others.

It's a 1994 Toyota MR2. I'm not sure how difficult it is to get clear lens for the pop-up headlights, kasi shallow dapat yung profile and mag-fit sa space. Not sure if other 5x7 rectangular headlights will fit in it.

I know someone who put in PNP headlights sa MR2 nya on both headlights AND foglights, and true enough, he gets flashed a lot. What he does is he just turns on the foglights during regular traffic and io-on lang ang headlights pag walang kasalubong. Wacky, di ba?

I want to be a responsible user of HID kaya gusto ko sana retrofit projectors, e me clear lens pa palang requirement, so nde na ko sure if it's worth the effort of acquiring that as well.

[Ry_Tower]

It's a 1994 Toyota MR2. I'm not sure how difficult it is to get clear lens for the pop-up headlights, kasi shallow dapat yung profile and mag-fit sa space. Not sure if other 5x7 rectangular headlights will fit in it.

I know someone who put in PNP headlights sa MR2 nya on both headlights AND foglights, and true enough, he gets flashed a lot. What he does is he just turns on the foglights during regular traffic and io-on lang ang headlights pag walang kasalubong. Wacky, di ba?

I want to be a responsible user of HID kaya gusto ko sana retrofit projectors, e me clear lens pa palang requirement, so nde na ko sure if it's worth the effort of acquiring that as well.

Ok nga yan 'causehe hs a foglight naman pala. very low beam.