Unleaded gasoline now at P49.09/Liter

[ringostarr]

You are suggesting SUVs to save money on fuel? Nice joke Oldblue.

Even diesel SUVs are feeling the cost of fuel since its around P40/L these days with no sign that it will go down soon. The current best option is to go LPG either with the current vehicle or a smaller used car.

although, medyo kaka-tempt magpa LPG bec. of almost P20 difference sa gasoline, di pa din ako magpapa-convert. my average refill is at 45 Liters (45 x20 = P900).

since I only refill at more than 2 months, kahit sa per month refilling, uubos lang ako ng additional 10,800 per year compared to LPG user. nasa 40k+ pa-convert tapos baka kung anu-ano pa maging sakit ng sasakyan ko as side effects.

saka baka mahirap benta ito sa used car market if they realize na converted to LPG. i'll just cut down on my other personal expenses than this.

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oks yun ghost 2 CRDi SUV's. yan ang panglaban ngaun. I average 8km/liter at Santa Fe. if Tucson/Sportage CRDi, I can average 11km/liter siguro. tapos diba pa ako mag-worry sa mga pang-ilalim na puwede masira. I used to drive an Honda Civic ESi sedan noon, 3 years lang dami na kumakalampag sa ilalim. kaya never ako babalik sa sedan as much as possible

tingin ko nga mas pinaka-worth ngaun yun tig 900K na Ford Escape na 4x2.

[ghosthunter]

although, medyo kaka-tempt magpa LPG bec. of almost P20 difference sa gasoline, di pa din ako magpapa-convert. my average refill is at 45 Liters (45 x20 = P900).

probably the reason why your fuel consumption is so low is you have been trying to save fuel by commuting more.

since I only refill at more than 2 months, kahit sa per month refilling, uubos lang ako ng additional 10,800 per year compared to LPG user. nasa 40k+ pa-convert tapos baka kung anu-ano pa maging sakit ng sasakyan ko as side effects.

If there was any toxic effects of LPG, all of us would be suffering the effects of it already since the fuel for our cooking gas is the same LPG used for fuel for auto-LPG.

The only toxic effects of LPG resides in the minds of people who lack proper information to dispell misinformation.

saka baka mahirap benta ito sa used car market if they realize na converted to LPG. i'll just cut down on my other personal expenses than this.

How would you know if it's harder so sell? Do you have any hard data to prove this as fact or just your unsupported opinion, oldblue? Is it just like your claim that you personally was responsible for lowering the SRP of LCD & plasma TVs?

oks yun ghost 2 CRDi SUV's. yan ang panglaban ngaun. I average 8km/liter at Santa Fe. if Tucson/Sportage CRDi, I can average 11km/liter siguro. tapos diba pa ako mag-worry sa mga pang-ilalim na puwede masira. I used to drive an Honda Civic ESi sedan noon, 3 years lang dami na kumakalampag sa ilalim. kaya never ako babalik sa sedan as much as possible

If that is your solution to saving money in the face more expensive fuel, what would be your ROI to recovery of your initial investment then? Or is this just a reflection of your inner self's frustration on buying a new SUV to replace your aging CRV?

[paolorenzo]

Funny itong thread na 'to. Ang solusyon sa nagmamahal na gasolina ay bumili ng (hindi isa, pero) dalawang CRDI SUVs!!!

Teka, check ko kung abot pera ko sa wallet ko for 2 CRDI SUVs... Makapunta na nga sa Hyundai dealership...

[ghosthunter]

Funny itong thread na 'to. Ang solusyon sa nagmamahal na gasolina ay bumili ng (hindi isa, pero) dalawang CRDI SUVs!!!

Teka, check ko kung abot pera ko sa wallet ko for 2 CRDI SUVs... Makapunta na nga sa Hyundai dealership...

baka magkita kayo ni "ringostarr" aka "oldblue" diyan sa Hyundai dealership.

[Enrikez]

Sana kung tumataas ang bilihin dapat itaas din ang sweldo ng mga nagtatrabaho para naman makasabay, ang problema naman kasi taas sila ng taas pero yung salary income naman di nagbabago. paano na tayo nyan? pero sa tingin ko matibay pa din ang pinoy, madami pa din nagdadala ng sasakyan kasi kung mag-commute ka ganon din naman. atleast kung sariling sasakyan mas safe ka at hawak mo ang oras mo.

[_Cathy_]

Actually meron,... they are called GOLF CARTS.

My neighbor actually does that. Pero for short distances only hehe

[1D4LV]

Sana kung tumataas ang bilihin dapat itaas din ang sweldo ng mga nagtatrabaho para naman makasabay, ang problema naman kasi taas sila ng taas pero yung salary income naman di nagbabago. paano na tayo nyan? pero sa tingin ko matibay pa din ang pinoy, madami pa din nagdadala ng sasakyan kasi kung mag-commute ka ganon din naman. atleast kung sariling sasakyan mas safe ka at hawak mo ang oras mo.

posted this at the other thread, and i am posting it here again...

taas presyo ng fuel which will result in higher cost of basic consumables, higher cost in electricity, higher fare BUT:

its quite risky for the part of business owners and employers to increase salaries. why? because of the rising cost of commodities, consumer power will be decreased resulting in less sales from businesses. business owners will have to shoulder the cost of salary increase as well as other benefits (like SSS employer's contribution, 13th month) from their own pockets. the risk here is that UP TO WHEN CAN THESE EMPLOYERS SHOULDER THESE COSTS? This will eventually lead to loss of jobs and eventually closure of business, which, will also lead to loss of government collection and revenues from business taxes and inflation.

i don't know if this scenario is feasible wherein to counter these, government should immediately implement lower income tax bracket mechanism for the workers, even though government may experience a decrease in collection revenues. that way:

a) businesses can still operate, even though sales could be minimal. at least, they are still operating and will not cause to lose jobs;
b) workers can enjoy higher take home pay to counter the increase of consumer goods.
c) suspend or decrease VAT rate in some products and services (like lower VAT on fuel and electricity and some basic commodities like canned goods, etc. and increase VAT rate on sin products like cigarettes, wine, beer, softdrinks, internet connectivity, etc. that way, balanced yung collection ng VAT where yung basic needs are lowered and the luxuries are increased. para di rin maapektuhan yung VAT collection revenue.


these solutions can be temporary and can be re-aligned back to pre-crisis levels (the tax brackets as well as VAT rates).

[tidus1203]

Tama. Raising wages is not the answer that will just cause an inflationary spiral. Lowering the price is the answer....

[valvura]

There's no such thing as temporary solutions here kasi constantly increasing ang costs ng fuel which I consider one of the root causes (not to mention globalization, corruption, etc.) of all our woes. Decreasing tax means lowering of government revenues which is tantamount to decreasing food subsidies, medical services, education, cutting jobs, etc. As if wala ng solution kasi dapat noon pa na-anticipate na lahat ng ito e. For example: it's too late mag-source ng alternate fuel source; na-convert na ang rice fields natin into residential areas; globalization has set in; ineffective population control; etc.

Magdagdag na lang ng higpit ng sinturon but until when? When people are losing jobs, when income can barely buy basic commodities...

Mag-OFW na lang siguro and get employed sa oil industries abroad or whatever job na puede, kaya helpless din tayo sa exploitation ng mga kababayan natin e....

With all of this, magbawas na tayo ng bisyo at luho, stop taking advantage of people (esp. politicians & those in power), let's pray together and work hard to survive.

[ghosthunter]

P50.28/L na ngayon yung unleaded... kahit OFW apiktado pa rin ang baba na kaya ng palitan tapos mahal ang bilihin....

So how are you doing with your hydrobooster / HHO project? Any progress? :drunk:

[daimaoh]

maganda nga sana kung electric cars or hybrids like sa US. pero di ba kailangan ng special facilities yun or pwede na bang isaksak sa wall socket para mag-charge.

i saw somewhere that the suppply of fuel is fast depleting. by 2010 may shortage na yata.

did you know that some power plants here use fossil fuels din to generate electricity?

maybe we could use solar panels to power our cars. kaso ang mahal kaya ng solar panel. tapos kailangan mo ng maraming fuel cells/batteries to store that much electricity. kainis talaga.

best siguro is to conserve on the use of fossil fuel... ang daling sabihin... ang hirap gawin... kahit ako hirap gawin ito eh

[ghosthunter]

maganda nga sana kung electric cars or hybrids like sa US. pero di ba kailangan ng special facilities yun or pwede na bang isaksak sa wall socket para mag-charge.

Generally it's a simple plug-in to your wall socket. The first electric cars needed a dedicated charging station which made it difficult to mass market. The newer ones simply plugs in to any ordinary electrical socket.

i saw somewhere that the suppply of fuel is fast depleting. by 2010 may shortage na yata.

It really depends on which "expert" is talking. Some say that we have enough OIL supplies to last only 25 years more. Others say more than 100 years.

did you know that some power plants here use fossil fuels din to generate electricity?

Yup. We have a few geothermal & hydroelectric stations but most use coal and oil to generate electricity.

One thing I remember during my childhood was a pilot power station project which uses fast growing trees to fuel it. It would have the tree plantation right next to it. Although requiring a large plot of land to grow enough trees, it was supposedly self sufficient in terms of fuel. I have no idea what happened to that pilot project of the Philippine government.

maybe we could use solar panels to power our cars. kaso ang mahal kaya ng solar panel. tapos kailangan mo ng maraming fuel cells/batteries to store that much electricity. kainis talaga.

Solar for automotive use isn't really practical UNLESS it's a solar powered electrical charging station. Solar panels on a standard car will not cover enough surface area to give a substantial output to power a normal car. A solar charging station, on the other hand, can have a larger surface area to generate & store electricity in a big bank of storage batteries. These batteries in turn would charge the batteries in the car whenever the car is parked beside it.

best siguro is to conserve on the use of fossil fuel... ang daling sabihin... ang hirap gawin... kahit ako hirap gawin ito eh

So true. It is very difficult to conserve fuel and not impact your daily life's routine.

[pia_nini]

by 2009 baka maging 100/liter daw sabi ni sen. zubiri zubiri boom boom boom

[tidus1203]

Its unlikely to be honest since thats just 1 year from now. Baka sabi sabi lang nya yan eh diba sya yung sponsor ng biofuels act na yan...

[[archie]]

kung totoong magiging 100 per liter na, eeee mawawalan na ng oto sa kalye. there the sweet spot as tidus mention (i just dont know kung dito sa thread).

the law of supply and demand will definitely take effect on this kung umabot ng triple digits and gas. the profit will definitely go down and the big 3 will not let that happen.

[ghosthunter]

wala pa! hintay ko pa tyiyahin ko, baka makapangopit man lang, ala pambila ng materiales...

So what happened to your claim about it being so simple to make/build? If it's so simple you should already have at least made one prototype as proof of concept? Yet all I hear from you is one excuse after another. The fact is you can make a proof of concept unit out of scrap materials.

I doubt if you would produce anything close enough to resemble what you claim.

[1D4LV]

So what happened to your claim about it being so simple to make/build? If it's so simple you should already have at least made one prototype as proof of concept? Yet all I hear from you is one excuse after another. The fact is you can make a proof of concept unit out of scrap materials.

I doubt if you would produce anything close enough to resemble what you claim.

OT: bro, hwag mo ng patulan,. you and i and the others know that he is just kidding us.

[tidus1203]

I guess 2 years from now with this thread buried in the Tsikot thread cemetery bigla may nag-ressurect ng thread na ito and lahat tayo mapapangiti failing to notice the date of the thread (wala lang just to cool down the mood here)

[froshie1]

i have studied the pros and cons eh. i wanted to replace my aging 1st gen CRV to a yaris last year. pero sa nabasa ko sa yaris thread, in 3-5 months kung anu-ano na kalampag naririnig nila sa pang-ilalim nila. count another 6 months to a year mo, magpapalit na ng mga bushings or shocks mga mini-car owners.

if i'm going to weigh everything, mas tipid pa din ang SUV kaysa sa mini-car overall bec. of our road conditions. my CRV is now 9 years (since 99) and now at 83Tkm. would you believe all-stock pa din mga pang-ilalim ko, shocks, radiator, fans etc etc. except for some twice replacement of bushings.

kaya ako definitely rule out ko na mga mini-cars. matipid ka nga sa gas pero tatagain ka naman sa pagpapalit ng pyesa bec. of Philippine road conditions.

the best talaga ang 2-cars than one kasi na-alternate mo in a week, so less chances masira kagad

mas the best ang 2-suvs than one kasi na-alternate mo na, handa ka pa sa araw-araw ng gyera sa kalsada and potholes and jeepney swerving etc

pero ang pinaka the best talaga para sa'kin is 2 CUV's na CRDi, maliit na kaha ng SUV tapos diesel pa.

for example Captiva + Tucson
Tucson + Sportage

yan ang the best ngaun, panglaban halos sa lahat ng forces, both market and environmental

so yun bago bibili dyan tsikot, consider this combo

kahit anong palit mo sa pangilalim ng Yaris hindi ito mageequal sa cost ng pagacquire, maintenance at fuel ng isang SUV.

[ghosthunter]

i have studied the pros and cons eh. i wanted to replace my aging 1st gen CRV to a yaris last year. pero sa nabasa ko sa yaris thread, in 3-5 months kung anu-ano na kalampag naririnig nila sa pang-ilalim nila. count another 6 months to a year mo, magpapalit na ng mga bushings or shocks mga mini-car owners.

if i'm going to weigh everything, mas tipid pa din ang SUV kaysa sa mini-car overall bec. of our road conditions. my CRV is now 9 years (since 99) and now at 83Tkm. would you believe all-stock pa din mga pang-ilalim ko, shocks, radiator, fans etc etc. except for some twice replacement of bushings.

kaya ako definitely rule out ko na mga mini-cars. matipid ka nga sa gas pero tatagain ka naman sa pagpapalit ng pyesa bec. of Philippine road conditions.

I wonder what kind of calculator OldBlue used to compute that an aging 1st gen CRV is still cheaper to own and run than a newer, smaller car? Isn't it the basic parts like suspension parts are either the same or more expensive for the CRV than for a smaller car? And fuel consumption is definitely a lot worst for the CRV.

For the same FC (fuel consumption), I could get a used Camry 2.0L and have all the riding comfort (and more) you can get in a 1st gen CRV.

OldBlue's logic is simply illogical.