Petron Euro 4 Diesel now available

[halimawts]

Petron now locally producing full range of Euro 4 fuels - Motioncars | Motioncars

Discuss.

PS: Now I wonder how Petron's Euro 4 Diesel Max and Turbo Diesel would match up to Unioil's Euro 4 Diesel..

[attorney]

Still waiting for my diesel to be empty and fill it up with petron diesel curious about the engine noise. Hope its quieter

[baludoy]

i asked my former classmate who works for petron and he says that as of october 1, all petron fillers should have the euro 4 diesel na - both variants

[Lew_Alcindor]

What are the advantages?

Correct me if I am wrong. But these are European Emission standards. You need and Euro Standard compliant fuel and compliant vehicle for it to work.

We do not have a working corporate emission standard system so we might have a "cleaner" fuel but our vehicles can still have dirty emission.

[Lew_Alcindor]

What are the advantages?

Correct me if I am wrong. But these are European Emission standards. You need and Euro Standard compliant fuel and compliant vehicle for it to work.

We do not have a working corporate emission standard system so we might have a "cleaner" fuel but our vehicles can still have dirty emission.

[XTO]

What would be the difference now between the Dmax and Turbodiesel? I still go with Unioil over Dmax imported pa.

[oj88]

What are the advantages?

Correct me if I am wrong. But these are European Emission standards. You need and Euro Standard compliant fuel and compliant vehicle for it to work.

We do not have a working corporate emission standard system so we might have a "cleaner" fuel but our vehicles can still have dirty emission.

Euro IV fuel will be safe on Euro II engines. It will have lower sulfur content (50ppm vs 500ppm from Euro II fuel), so it produces less sulfuric acid by-product. That means:

1. Less acid in your motor oil - You can now use motor oils with lower TBNs designed for ULSD fuels like API:CJ-4
2. Less pollution that can cause acid rain

If I'm not mistaken, because of tighter emissions, most, if not all Euro V engines would also have DPFs. Some Euro IV engines already has a DPF. Euro VI and higher engines would, in addition to a DPF, also have an SCR and DEF, in most cases.

In all engines since Euro 1/2, it would have an EGR.

EGR - Exhaust Gas Recirculation
DPF - Diesel Particulate Filter
SCR - Selective Catalytic Reduction
DEF - Diesel Exhaust Fluid

[oj88]

Double post.......

[innova2013]

^^ dagdag ko lang.

kapag gamit Euro4 diesel fuel.

- mas tatagal din life ng oil dahil sa less sulfuric acid made during combustion.

- dahil sa cleaner burn, less soot build up din.

(yan mga yang pansin ko talaga kasi pre-EGR pa diesel engine ko)

[baludoy]

What would be the difference now between the Dmax and Turbodiesel?

ito daw ang differences : "the cetane level in turbo diesel is higher than diesel max..cetane is equal to octane for gasoline" and " if long drives it better na pure turbo diesel para ramdam mo yunhlg power...if short trips in manila diesel max is fine"

that's from my schoolmate who works at petron.

[granro01]

What are the advantages?

First of all I dont know why many motorist are so excited with Euro 4 fuel. Euro 4 fuel by all means is good for the environment because it will emit lesser sulfur dioxide due to its lower sulfur content in the fuel. A lesser sulfur fuel mean also a lesser lubricating properties for our engines pumps and valves the same way a lesser lead content does for all gasoline engines.

If your old diesel engines are not designed to handle a lesser or no sulfur lubricant then it will fail early than normal. Solution? find an alternative lubricant for the missing sulfur. Search the web and you will find some diesel engines in Europe using natural 2T oil(not the synthetic 2T) mixed with their diesel on small amount as an alternative lubricant for euro 4 fuels.

Happy research to all.

Correct me if I am wrong. But these are European Emission standards. You need and Euro Standard compliant fuel and compliant vehicle for it to work.

We do not have a working corporate emission standard system so we might have a "cleaner" fuel but our vehicles can still have dirty emission.[/QUOTE]

[HUMABOL KA]

ito daw ang differences : "the cetane level in turbo diesel is higher than diesel max..cetane is equal to octane for gasoline" and " if long drives it better na pure turbo diesel para ramdam mo yunhlg power...if short trips in manila diesel max is fine"

that's from my schoolmate who works at petron.

Sir ilan na daw po ngaun ang cetane rating ng turbo diesel and diesel max? kasi ang euro 4 diesel ng unioil is rated at 55 cetane rating while seaoil is 52-53, total naman 50

[jaggerx3]

Yung diesel max ng petron cetane 55 na yan noon pa.

[oj88]

What are the advantages?

First of all I dont know why many motorist are so excited with Euro 4 fuel. Euro 4 fuel by all means is good for the environment because it will emit lesser sulfur dioxide due to its lower sulfur content in the fuel. A lesser sulfur fuel mean also a lesser lubricating properties for our engines pumps and valves the same way a lesser lead content does for all gasoline engines.

If your old diesel engines are not designed to handle a lesser or no sulfur lubricant then it will fail early than normal. Solution? find an alternative lubricant for the missing sulfur. Search the web and you will find some diesel engines in Europe using natural 2T oil(not the synthetic 2T) mixed with their diesel on small amount as an alternative lubricant for euro 4 fuels.

Happy research to all.

Correct me if I am wrong. But these are European Emission standards. You need and Euro Standard compliant fuel and compliant vehicle for it to work.

We do not have a working corporate emission standard system so we might have a "cleaner" fuel but our vehicles can still have dirty emission.

[/QUOTE]

The reduction of sulfur does not necessarily mean a reduction in lubricity for EU-spec fuel. For a certain fuel to pass ANY Euro certification, it has to posses certain properties... a minimum level of lubricity is one of these parameters. (Look-up EN-590)

Although sulfur has been attributed to providing lubricity to the fuel, in its reduction or absence, a lubricity package is added to replace it in order to maintain a minimum lubricity figure. This is so that the fuel, even with reduced sulfur, would still pass the Euro certification.

Simply put, whether if it's a Euro I or Euro VI fuel, it will have the same or similar lubricity.

For those science heads... the maximum defined lubricity for a fuel to pass the EU cert is 460μm (lower is better), using the high frequency reciprocating rig (HFRR) test method. By comparison, the Euro counterpart in the US uses the ASTM D97 specification, which defines a maximum lubricity of 520μm. This makes the Euro-spec Diesel fuel better in the lubricity specification compared to Diesel fuel sold in the US.

[oj88]

What are the advantages?

First of all I dont know why many motorist are so excited with Euro 4 fuel. Euro 4 fuel by all means is good for the environment because it will emit lesser sulfur dioxide due to its lower sulfur content in the fuel. A lesser sulfur fuel mean also a lesser lubricating properties for our engines pumps and valves the same way a lesser lead content does for all gasoline engines.

If your old diesel engines are not designed to handle a lesser or no sulfur lubricant then it will fail early than normal. Solution? find an alternative lubricant for the missing sulfur. Search the web and you will find some diesel engines in Europe using natural 2T oil(not the synthetic 2T) mixed with their diesel on small amount as an alternative lubricant for euro 4 fuels.

Happy research to all.

The reduction of sulfur does not necessarily mean a reduction in lubricity for EU-spec fuel. For a certain fuel to pass ANY Euro certification, it has to posses certain properties... a minimum level of lubricity is one of these parameters. (Look-up EN-590)

Although sulfur has been attributed to providing lubricity to the fuel, in its reduction or absence, a lubricity package is added to replace it in order to maintain a minimum lubricity figure. This is so that the fuel, even with reduced sulfur, would still pass the Euro certification.

Simply put, whether if it's a Euro I or Euro VI fuel, it will have the same or similar lubricity.

For those science heads... the defined lubricity for a fuel to pass the EU cert is 460μm or lower (lower is better), using the high frequency reciprocating rig (HFRR) test method. By comparison, the Euro counterpart in the US uses the ASTM D97 specification, which defines a lubricity of 520μm or lower. This makes the Euro-spec Diesel fuel better in the lubricity specification compared to Diesel fuel sold in the US.

[allan302000]

Saang Petron branches may Euro 4 Diesel na? Nagpakarga ako knina sa may UN Avenue, di pa raw available sa knila.


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[vanquish]

Petron along EDSA corner Main St. In Cubao has signs that all of its fuels are Euro IV.

[r_delro]

Wala pa ko nakikita dito sa Las Piñas area na petron with euro 4 diesel.

[Wh1stl3r2]

*granro01
Why wouldn't you be excited about cleaner emissions? How about the benefit of you and your next generation getting a better chance at improved health and higher life expectancy. As oj88 said there will be something in it to replace lost lubricity.

I don't think Petron will risk billions on products that will kill off their customer base. Majority of diesel sold is used by commercial trucks with euro 2 engines. It's in their best interest to keep those engines running.

Every time I go to Manila and see this cloud of smog over and around the city skyline I feel lucky to only have to go there when I need to, which is rarely. Euro 4 fuel probably won't get rid of it but every little bit helps. Something being done is better than nothing.

[Wh1stl3r2]

*granro01
Why wouldn't you be excited about cleaner emissions? How about the benefit of you and your next generation getting a better chance at improved health and higher life expectancy. As oj88 said there will be something in it to replace lost lubricity.

I don't think Petron will risk billions on products that will kill off their customer base. Majority of diesel sold is used by commercial trucks with euro 2 engines. It's in their best interest to keep those engines running.

Every time I go to Manila and see this cloud of smog over and around the city skyline I feel lucky to only have to go there when I need to, which is rarely. Euro 4 fuel probably won't get rid of it but every little bit helps. Something being done is better than nothing.