Philippines Diesel Fuel's Cetane Numbers

[StockEngine]

Petron Turbo Diesel 55
Petron Diesel Max 50
Shell Vpower Nitro+ Diesel 54
Shel Fuel Save Diesel 50
Total Excellium Diesel 54
Seaoil Exceed 51-52
Unioil EuroDiesel IV >51


Caltex Diesel with Techron D ??
Eastern Petroleum Diesel Pro ??
Phoenix Diesel ??
Flying V BioDiesel ??
PTT BlueDiesel ??

Any corrections?

[jut703]

Petron Turbo Diesel and Diesel Max have exactly the same cetane rating, which is around 50-52 depending on the batch.

This is the same case with Shell VPD and FSD, with Total EXD and regular Diesel, and so on.

Premium diesel is nothing but extra additives vs regular diesel. They come from the same tank in the depot and are exactly the same product except for the additives which are added after the base fuel is loaded.

So yes, it's all marketing! The product cost difference between regular diesel and premium diesel is nowhere near the 3++ pesos per liter that they add.

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[StockEngine]

Thats just fukced up. So these reports and articles are just marketting. Glad to know from the insider 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[Wh1stl3r2]

But jut, don't additives make a difference? I get that the cost to benefit ratio is high, but aren't there any real benefits to these additives?

[jut703]

But jut, don't additives make a difference? I get that the cost to benefit ratio is high, but aren't there any real benefits to these additives?

There are. The additives used in premium diesel really have better detergent properties so you really get a cleaner burn.

It's just that the additives form a very small percentage of the fuel so you aren't really losing much by just using regular diesel.

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[oj88]

Well, not really just marketing for the sake of marketing. There is still some truth to what they're saying... Premium fuel still beats Regular fuel in more ways than one. And I agree, it's all in the additive package.

The additive packages are more than just a marketing gimmick. Some additives are even vital (lubricity, anti-foam, corrosion inhibitors, fuel stabilizers, just to name a few. (Here's a good read about it: Diesel Fuel Additives)

I think what frustrates everyone is that, because these corporations have a duty to protect their trade secrets and IP, they can't really say exactly what is in their concoction. That's part of the reason why subjects like Brand A fuel vs Brand B fuel is nothing more than anecdotal narratives, since most are only based on the 'seat-of-your-pants' feel, rather than something that can be scientifically measured.

[JJB]

So the 3+ peso difference per liter is not worth it? I've stopped using V-power and petron turbo diesel since i can't feel any difference in performance. Consumption even became worse

[wiper]

Petron Turbo Diesel 55
Petron Diesel Max 50
Shell Vpower Nitro+ Diesel 54
Shel Fuel Save Diesel 50
Total Excellium Diesel 54
Seaoil Exceed 51-52
Unioil EuroDiesel IV >51


Caltex Diesel with Techron D ??
Eastern Petroleum Diesel Pro ??
Phoenix Diesel ??
Flying V BioDiesel ??
PTT BlueDiesel ??

Any corrections?

I have called the respective oil companies,
The FF Are their replies.
Petron 53-55, turbo diesel -58
Shell both fuel v power nitro and fuel save 50 the lowest
Phoenix 53-55
Seaoil 51
Unioil both called and email no reply.
I am wondering why govt did not imposed gas station to post cetane no. Of diesel as the octane no. Of gas. Any reason??

[jut703]

I have called the respective oil companies,
The FF Are their replies.
Petron 53-55, turbo diesel -58
Shell both fuel v power nitro and fuel save 50 the lowest
Phoenix 53-55
Seaoil 51
Unioil both called and email no reply.
I am wondering why govt did not imposed gas station to post cetane no. Of diesel as the octane no. Of gas. Any reason??

How can you say that Shell's cetane is lower, when they get from Petron or Total anyway so it's the same base fuel for all of them.

Who exactly did you call?

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[wiper]

How can you say that Shell's cetane is lower, when they get from Petron or Total anyway so it's the
same base fuel for all of them.









Who exactly did you call?

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I owned an accent crdi which require min. 51cetane. I searched their contact number through Internet browser. These are their replies. For Shell I am expecting to have the highest cetane, but their answer is only 50 for both fuel save and v power diesel. So I never gas up from Shell for my accent. For Unioil, their fuel seems to be clear and clean and less foamy, I called up and email but no reply. It would be nice if govt requires them to display their cetane number or those gas companies voluntarily display their cetane number, so that we know what we are buying. For Shell , I will be glad if someone can call up again and verify. Thanks

[jut703]

I owned an accent crdi which require min. 51cetane. I searched their contact number through Internet browser. These are their replies. For Shell I am expecting to have the highest cetane, but their answer is only 50 for both fuel save and v power diesel. So I never gas up from Shell for my accent. For Unioil, their fuel seems to be clear and clean and less foamy, I called up and email but no reply. It would be nice if govt requires them to display their cetane number or those gas companies voluntarily display their cetane number, so that we know what we are buying. For Shell , I will be glad if someone can call up again and verify. Thanks

I don't need to call their hotlines because I'm from the petroleum industry. And like I said, pare-pareho lang yan.

Shell gets 80% of their Metro Manila volume from Total's Manila Terminal. The remaining 20% is split between Shell's Tabangao refinery in Batangas and PTT's depot in Clark.

Part of Total's fuel is imported from Singapore, part from Petron's Limay refinery.

Shell only claims 50 cetane because that's the minimum required by the DOE. But I do random audits of the COQs (Certificates of Quality) of each batch of fuel loaded from the depots' tanks, and most of the time the cetane range is 51-53, sometimes going as high as 55.

Oh, and my girlfriend's dad has been gassing up exclusively with Shell for the past 4 years with his Accent. No problems whatsoever.

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[monty_GTV]

I don't need to call their hotlines because I'm from the petroleum industry. And like I said, pare-pareho lang yan.

Shell gets 80% of their Metro Manila volume from Total's Manila Terminal. The remaining 20% is split between Shell's Tabangao refinery in Batangas and PTT's depot in Clark.

Part of Total's fuel is imported from Singapore, part from Petron's Limay refinery.

Shell only claims 50 cetane because that's the minimum required by the DOE. But I do random audits of the COQs (Certificates of Quality) of each batch of fuel loaded from the depots' tanks, and most of the time the cetane range is 51-53, sometimes going as high as 55.

Oh, and my girlfriend's dad has been gassing up exclusively with Shell for the past 4 years with his Accent. No problems whatsoever.

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useful information...thanks bro jut

[Jiggs]

*Jut703 So if that's the case that only 20% of Manila Supply is supplied by Tabangao Refinery...Where does the bulk of Crude products goes? Shell has a newly built Mindanao Depot, and I believe it is an import finish product from Bukom Refinery...

[StockEngine]

Our govt is not too keen on standards. The denr queen should be held accountable...

Good effort bro. Turbo diesel is 58... hmmm

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[jut703]

Our govt is not too keen on standards. The denr queen should be held accountable...

Good effort bro. Turbo diesel is 58... hmmm

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DOE is responsible for fuels, not DENR.

DOE requirement for diesel is only 50 cetane, so everyone's compliant. Also, quite impossible that Turbo Diesel is 58, because like I said, it comes from the same tank as DieselMax.

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[JJB]

*jut, so where do you gas up, and how will you know if a certain gas station has "clean fuel"?


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[jut703]

*jut, so where do you gas up, and how will you know if a certain gas station has "clean fuel"?


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Most if not all company-owned stations in Manila have clean (i.e. not adulterated fuel). In the provinces, I generally have an idea which stations dump (get from other sources), so I just avoid those. I also don't fill up with generics, because even if they're supplied by Petron or Shell, they have poor operational standards so they might not even be checking for water intrusion in their UGTs.

I fill up where it's cheap (Fairview, EDSA Boni, Mariveles, etc).

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[JJB]

Most if not all company-owned stations in Manila have clean (i.e. not adulterated fuel). In the provinces, I generally have an idea which stations dump (get from other sources), so I just avoid those. I also don't fill up with generics, because even if they're supplied by Petron or Shell, they have poor operational standards so they might not even be checking for water intrusion in their UGTs.

I fill up where it's cheap (Fairview, EDSA Boni, Mariveles, etc).

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Thanks for that. So basically avoid the small players and noo name stations. And i guess mga flood-prone stations too


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[jut703]

Thanks for that. So basically avoid the small players and noo name stations. And i guess mga flood-prone stations too


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Yes that's a generally good rule of thumb. Although to be fair, even smaller players like Total, Seaoil, and Unioil have proper operational standards in place. It's the generics that have a gung-ho approach to business.

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