NUVIMAX Electromagnastatic Fuel/Air Mixing System [MERGED]

[eudaemonia]

Helo Team, greetings. It's evident that people here are versed with their expertise, if not the language, of technology. It's pretty impressive. Thing is, as we have this intellectual exchange, this are status quo. Vehicles and power plants out there emit smoke far faster than this planet's capacity to use them. We openned our search for a technologically sound solution here for comments and supposed improvements on what thus far we have achieved. And yes, I think, we have that. I think. Got us several pages of discussions.

Here's the challenge for you then, scribes and all. What now?

Should we, the developers, abandon such search on account of your concepts?

Or shall we take the rode less travelled?

[uls]

Helo Team, greetings. It's evident that people here are versed with their expertise, if not the language, of technology. It's pretty impressive. Thing is, as we have this intellectual exchange,

haha guess it's not often that you get into an intellectual exchange... not many bright people where you're from huh?

this are status quo. Vehicles and power plants out there emit smoke far faster than this planet's capacity to use them. We openned our search for a technologically sound solution here for comments and supposed improvements on what thus far we have achieved. And yes, I think, we have that. I think. Got us several pages of discussions.

why only motor vehicles and power plants? how about livestock? livestock emit greenhouse gases too. or you havent even thought of that?

Here's the challenge for you then, scribes and all. What now?

Should we, the developers, abandon such search on account of your concepts?

Or shall we take the rode less travelled?

yeah yeah you go ahead and do what you do we don't care

just don't push your product here in the forums

[uls]

6 Retarded Gas Saving Schemes (People Are Actually Trying) | Cracked.com

What is it?

A magnet. Wrapped in rubber. We wanted to make some more jokes and comments about this thing but the makers didn't give us anything to work with. The ****ing thing is just a magnet that you attach to your fuel hose. What the hell can we say about that?

What's it supposed to do?

The general theory about devices like this is that they align the gas molecules as they pass the magnet. Once aligned the gas molecules burn more efficiently and lower emissions and ultimately lead to world peace. The makers of Motoflow go one better though and claim that their device "conditions" the gas and adds energy.

You'd think that the people who make the gasoline would go ahead and do that at the refining process, since it seems like whatever is accomplished by one of these ...

... could probably be done even better with one of these:

Of course if we asked the oil companies why they don't bother to line up their gasoline molecules nice and neat before selling them to us, their answer would surely be, "Because **** you, that's why!" And then they'd light a cigar with a billion dollar bill.

What will it really do?

Nothing really bad, thank God. Unfortunately it also does nothing really good either. Likely it will just sit there on your gas hose, taking up space, a telltale sign of gullibility for every mechanic who looks under the hood. One glance and they'll know they can charge you $50 to realign the air in your tires.

Assuming for a moment that a magnet can even affect gas molecules, due to the fact that gas is a liquid, it will pretty much go back to being a jumbled mess after passing by the magnet anyway. This is maybe why the Federal Trade Commission actually used the word "bogus" when they gave their report on these kinds of magnets. You know your product totally sucks when scientists and government officials use "bogus" to describe your claims, since that's as close as they'll come to using "bullshit" in an official capacity.

[uls]

people will say anything to sell a product

[lowslowbenz]

Actually if one wants to REALLY SAVE FUEL .... :umm:

Just leave your car in the garage ............

[Ry_Tower]

Akala ko new kopal thread, Epal thread pala.

[uls]

hey people with fuel saving devices -- huwag kayo dito mag promote

we'll just shoot it down

lalo lang ma-expose na BS ang products niyo

[ghosthunter]

Pls see: www. epa.gov/otaq/consumer/report.htm
tonys guide to fuel saving devices

We have been here before.

Tony even used tsikot.com as source reference for one of the "featured" fuel saving gadgets on his website.

LINK: Fuel saving gadgets - a professional engineer's view: KSTC

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[light2light]

Item A: Today, I’ll prove to you that ionization(or polarization) works. It’s up to the innovator to control /harness it. You can prove it to yourself, right inside your kitchen. Ionization is like a wild stallion, you’ve to catch it and tame it.

*Item B. The commonrail and turbocharger are now a hundred years old. When they were 5-10 years old, what do you think were their status? Ordinary, so-so, palpak, scammer ang mga nag-inbento nito, etc. Kung may mga tsikoteers na hecklers nuon, palagay ko, pagtiyatiyagaan na lang natin ang carb at injection pump. After 90 years, naperfect ng Fiat ang CR sa pamamagitan ng Unijet nila, a solenoid actuated injector called Unijet, then the Multijet, Multijet II in 2009. These were sold to Robert Bosch who named it Common Rail System. If it took a century for CR to evolve from a 600bar to the present 2000bar (29,000 psi), maybe the ICT could evolve too. These are inventions (as fuel saver or engine enhancer) that were incorporated in the engine itself.

Even Mr. Diesel himself had his share of negative responses. His design called for a 50bar compression but the technology at that time could only give him 25bars. He was heckled and jeered by German tsikoteers and he was driven by the mighty tide of public opinion to his suicide. On one of his trips, he jumped overboard and drowned. After his death, the scientific community quickly developed better compressors (600bars) and the diesel engine became the workhorse of European and American industries.

They say that the scientific community took 20 years to accept Einstein’s theory of relativity.

The ICT is barely 10 years old and auto enthusiasts are already clamoring for its demise. Give it more time for engineers to ‘tweek’ it to perfection, since the simplest and cheapest way to mix air and fuel is to apply an energy framework of cohesion, adhesion and electromagnastatic energies between the two elements of air and fuel. Optimum mixing will result in the highest possible level of combustion, akin to the CR/Turbocharger tandem. (Many had lined the Khaos with ICT. Wala pang nasirang engine ang ICT, after 400-500 units sold. The cars should be at least 5 years old; non-common rail.

I am sure that ICT has something to offer: e.g., it increased engine power of a Mits Galant by 15hp *4000rpm. And it was only the EM component that was installed. Imagine if these two complementary device/s were tested. Have you ever seen a 98KIA Pride with an fc of 20-25kltr? A ‘98 KIA Pride owner would be lucky if his fc is 15k/ltr. We had been filling our tank with 50% ordinary gasoline and 50% special gasoline without noticing any adverse effects. Don’t do this with an ‘unaided’ car.


It is no big deal to me if our emissions will be HC = 50, 100, 200,300, 400 or 500ppm just as long as it is way down the emission standard of 600ppm. Do you know what 40% HC is? Parang emission ng barko o coal-fired generator yan, a.

*Item C: About additives. Engr Tony of UK and EPA( et al) had debunked additives with their ‘scientific’ explanations, yet look at what the oil companies are mixing with their fuels now = F1 fuel, Euro 4 diesel, Gold , Silver, nitro, etc, whatever. What do we hear from EPA et al? Nothing but hot air. ( I have seen how the F2020 was ‘buried’ in 2008 in another forum). I’ve told you before, EPA et al is financed by the Big 3. Additives, or a variation of it, is now ‘cool’. “Additives is bad for your engine if it is not made by oil companies”. Lumabas din ang katotohanan.

***Lest I forget; ionization can be best demonstrated in your kitchen::: Take a line magnet, similar to those posted on this thread. Slip these magnets on your lpg stove hose, similar to the installation procedures provided by the mfrs. Or take the magnet of an old speaker and tape it to the hose; the bigger, the better. Please be careful not to put unnecessary strain on the hose.

It is necessary that you have a log on your lpg usage for 2-4months, noting the price and number of days used. Take the average. I have logged our lpg usage since 2006; every month, up this date. Average number of days used is 20-30days (no firewood and rice cooker used). If fitted with a magnet = 13-15days. “Just because you haven’t seen a ghost doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.”

(Kung galit kayo sa kapitbahay niyo, lagyan ng magnet ang lpg hose nila. Joke. May karma yan.)

Tsikoteers, see you in 90-120 days.

Lastly: Pls see the new dyno results by Speedlab on our blog. Thank you.

[uls]

so you're saying your invention is right up there with the turbocharger and the diesel engine?

dude, lampasan mo muna ang "success" ng Khaos

you're invention doesnt even come close to the market success of Khaos and you're thinking your invention will become as widespread as turbos and diesel engines

[dvldoc]

That's one of the least impressive dyno's I have seen, No low end or high end power gains, Just from 4000 to 5000rpms, no power gains at all during lower rpms which is what you drive at so how does this save fuel again? Driving at 4000rpm is not going to save any fuel.

You show a loss of torque from 1000rpms to 2500rpms. Sounds like a product people would want to buy???

What is the point of the signatures on the dyno, looks very unprofessional. No official documentation or DOST letter head, just hand written on the dyno printout from speedlab. Again not a impressive dyno test.




To save fuel you need to make HP and TQ through the entire rpm band. Here's how that works.



I'm sure it's clear to everyone the difference. How can this product claim the fuel saving it claims when something else that makes way more power though the entire rpm band will only get you about a 5% gain. It takes a lot to get 20% better fuel economy.


Another example, Gain far greater gains through the entire power ban but no ridiculous fuel saving claims.

[mahalay]

WTF! Di ko akalain na babasahin ko lahat ng to mula page 1. Pero to be fair naman, naaliw din ako. Nung una akala ko kung anong breakthrough ito. Ahihihihi

[light2light]

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Kindly keep all discussions on TOPIC.

Have a nice day.
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dvldoc, i am not your adversary. i have read epa et al debunk ALL fuel savers/engine enhancer which is unfair to all the inventors of such devices.(tonys guide to fuel saving devices). i am fighting a crusade to prove that they are in cahoots with the oil companies.(see:EPAL etal vs. fuel saving devices). had forwarded the thread to epa, icct + 20 more. i,m sorry my reply made me look like i am questioning water/alcohol inj which was not my intention

i admit i am not up-to-date on your power enhancing product/process. thanks for enlightening me. you see, we are inventors of an innovation that we are giving free(esp on govt concerns. pls see:nuvisys.blogspot.com) I had forwarded the info to Engr Tony of Uk(who is debunking ALL ideas and it's been almost a month that i am waiting for his assessment). Is it ok with you if i will send the water/alcohol injection process to him? Need your express approval.

BTW, our innovation had increased the power of an old galant by 15HP *4000 rpm and increased fuel savings for a 98KIA Pride to
20-25k/ltr (previous 12-13) highway driving. I reiterate, we are on the same side sir. Thank you

[dvldoc]

To double fuel economy it will take a lot more than 15hp or even a improvement of HP of 50% still won't see those gains. Unless I see a dyno or a OBD II fuel log . I have a hard time believing anyone who claims to double fuel economy. Sorry but your product smells worse than HHO.

NUVIMAX ELECTROMAGNASTATIC FUEL/AIR MIXING TECHNOLOGY*
(Ionic or Polarized Mixing)
Innovations/Eco-solutions for a greener Earth
*IN THE BEGINNING: Perlito Cabauatan has been in Electronics for more than four decades. After working for nearly 13 years in Saudi Arabia, he developed the NUVITRON Electronic Fuel Economizer which could save fuel up to 30%.

Sorry this is just as big of a scam as anything else. You might want to start a different thread and provide some actual (non testimonial proof)

[light2light]

Good day doc, how come you are jaded like EPA, Engr Tony et al (EPAL) about fuel savers? This innovation had been tested by a panel of Engineers of DOST-DOE-ITDI in 2008. ETV (Environmental Technology Verification). Please see the dyno results on our blog. This is the result of one device. Testing protocol was A-B only. The system had not been tested. Sir, we had sold more than 400 devices (NUVITRON) 2002-2008. Then we developed the electrostatic device and we found a method that could combine the two (this is what double efficacy means). So, the ES is pilot-tested while the EM is a commercial device.

I find your thread enlightening and have nearly read all the pages since 2008. Anyway, I respect your opinion. From now on, please allow me to be a passive onlooker on your thread. (I just hope that I could send you the 7page ETV Statement but I presumed that your mind is already made-up). I was hoping that you will still have an open mind.Thank you.

[dvldoc]

The fact that it's on a blogspot is all I need to know. And do you mean the dyno that is posted that is so small it's impossible to read or get any real information from. By the way I do business with speedlab so it's pretty easy for me to just ask Ferman or Sids about this. I hate the over regulating EPA as much as the next guy but I hate scam products even more.

[light2light]

Thanks for investigating our dyno results. It was done on October 16-18, 2008 on a Dastek Dynamometer. Remind them that it was performed under the watch of DOST-DOE-ITDI Engineers.

I showed the thread to a friend with a Crosswind. I hope that reading the thread will convince him. Sorry about the 'small' dyno information. (Scanned jpeg image). Will consult the computer tech to increase the image size.

[Manilablock]

supportive po ako sa mga pinoy inventors, pero tama din naman na maging maingat.

question ko po

1. how much is the cost of the unit
2. where is your shop
3. guaranteed savings ( kung hindi ma-reach would you accept return of unit)
4. payment terms, kung tutulong kami para i confirm it saves fuel, we will only pay 100% if we are satisfied, how much are you willing to accept during the test period

[light2light]

supportive po ako sa mga pinoy inventors, pero tama din naman na maging maingat.

question ko po

1. how much is the cost of the unit
2. where is your shop
3. guaranteed savings ( kung hindi ma-reach would you accept return of unit)
4. payment terms, kung tutulong kami para i confirm it saves fuel, we will only pay 100% if we are satisfied, how much are you willing to accept during the test period

tnx bro manilablock, you made my day. sorry did not see your reply before. answers are:
1. P4500 minimum (excl freight jrs,lbc) at the moment, we are not selling, units are now for demo only. however, if you are near our place, bayombong, nueva vizcaya, we are willing to install it for free, parang demo. hope you are from northern luzon, cagayan valley area-region 2. when you call, give us a week to prepare/test the device.
2. our location: 225 national road, bayombong, nueva vizcaya 0919 5212730 078 3212810
3. EXPECTED SAVINGS; up to 30% highway long drive No data on EDSA- promdi tayo, 5%siguro
4. Terms: n/a; for gasoline engines, effect will be felt after 20 minutes or up to 50 km travel; for diesel, it will take a much longer time, from 60km to a few hundred. BTW, limitations are: not recommended for common rail diesel-esp those with solenoid actuated nozzles, pwede kung piezo actuated nozzles,(consult manual). Ok para sa EFI. Generally, huwag na muna nating ikabit sa CRDI because these engines are state-of-the-art machines. We were instructed by DOST and DOE engineers to install on engines that are at least 5 years old. Siguro para hindi mavoid ang warranty.

I have posted my name, address, some personal circumstances, do you think i would scam somebody?
Scammers are those that remain unidentified, like hiding behind desktops. Mga EPAL

[eudaemonia]

Hello Team. It seems some people here have comprehension issues, regardless their rank. Real life issues we are actually trying to solve, if not buffer, and not just talk about.