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    Some good news for everyone. Shell will produce and supply Euro 4 fuels starting Jan. 1, 2016. The Big 3 oil companies are already Euro 4 compliant!

    Shell completes PH refinery upgrade, will make Euro IV fuel

    Reuters
    Posted at 12/14/15 6:12 PM

    SINGAPORE - Shell Philippines has completed the upgrade of its 110,000 barrels per day (bpd) refinery in the province of Batangas and will be able to produce Euro-IV compliant fuels by January, the company said on Monday.

    That is in line with a government requirement for oil companies in the country to be ready to produce the more environmentally friendly Euro-IV compliant diesel and gasoline fuels by Jan. 1, 2016. The fuels have a sulphur content of 50 parts per million (ppm) compared with 500 ppm at present.

    "(The company) has successfully completed its refinery upgrade and is ready to supply Euro IV-compliant fuels by Jan. 1, 2016," a Royal Dutch Shell RDSa.L spokeswoman told Reuters.

    The Philippines' Petron Corp. finished upgrading its 180,000 barrels-per-day (bpd) refinery in Bataan to produce Euro-IV compliant fuels earlier this year, industry sources said.

    Link: Shell completes PH refinery upgrade, will make Euro IV fuel | ABS-CBN News

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    Shell is already Euro IV compliant for most of Metro Manila and North Luzon.

    They get their supply from Petron in these areas, which, as we know, already sells Euro IV across the board. I just checked the latest COQ (certificate of quality) of diesel from Petron's Limay refinery and sulfur content is really just 0.005%.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Shell is already Euro IV compliant for most of Metro Manila and North Luzon.

    They get their supply from Petron in these areas, which, as we know, already sells Euro IV across the board. I just checked the latest COQ (certificate of quality) of diesel from Petron's Limay refinery and sulfur content is really just 0.005%.


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    How do you know that Shell sources out its fuels from Petron? Is it even allowed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbah5 View Post
    How do you know that Shell sources out its fuels from Petron? Is it even allowed?
    Because it's my job to know. I'm from the oil industry.

    Yes of course it's allowed - all oil companies do it. It's very expensive if oil companies build depots in each area they operate in. Hence, there's a lot of product-sharing going on.

    Examples:

    1. Petron has the biggest refinery in the Philippines, located in Limay, Bataan. Shell does not have a depot in that area. Instead of incurring exorbitant freight costs (not to mention horrible turnaroudn time) if products are sourced from their refinery in Tabangao (Batangas) and then delivered to Bataan/Pampanga, they get their products from Petron instead.

    2. Shell has a huge depot in Bicol (Pasacao, Cam Sur). Petron and Caltex have stations in the region, but no depot. What's the most sensible thing to do? Buy from Shell.

    3. Total's depot is located in Manila North Harbor, and was unaffected by the closure of Pandacan's depots. Shell, instead of having to source their products from Batangas, decide to withdraw from Total instead.

    Take note though, they only share base products. The additives unique to each company are added later on after loading the base product. So they're still not 100% the same. But additives are only a very small portion of the total volume, so they're still more similar than different.

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    And that's folk is the reality of Oil Market, Jut703 tiga Retail ka ba? pero no worries sa mga brand loyalists, the additives really is still true to individual brand. This as well applies to Lubes, only few have base oils refineries, most of the diff brand are what we call blenders, adiing their own proprietary additives then canning/labeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Because it's my job to know. I'm from the oil industry.

    Yes of course it's allowed - all oil companies do it. It's very expensive if oil companies build depots in each area they operate in. Hence, there's a lot of product-sharing going on.

    Examples:

    1. Petron has the biggest refinery in the Philippines, located in Limay, Bataan. Shell does not have a depot in that area. Instead of incurring exorbitant freight costs (not to mention horrible turnaroudn time) if products are sourced from their refinery in Tabangao (Batangas) and then delivered to Bataan/Pampanga, they get their products from Petron instead.

    2. Shell has a huge depot in Bicol (Pasacao, Cam Sur). Petron and Caltex have stations in the region, but no depot. What's the most sensible thing to do? Buy from Shell.

    3. Total's depot is located in Manila North Harbor, and was unaffected by the closure of Pandacan's depots. Shell, instead of having to source their products from Batangas, decide to withdraw from Total instead.

    Take note though, they only share base products. The additives unique to each company are added later on after loading the base product. So they're still not 100% the same. But additives are only a very small portion of the total volume, so they're still more similar than different.

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    I'm just curious because I know that each oil companies get their own supplies from their own refineries and depots

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbah5 View Post
    I'm just curious because I know that each oil companies get their own supplies from their own refineries and depots
    Only Shell and Petron have refineries, and they only have 1 each.

    For areas far from the refinery, they either have their own depots, or borrow from other companies' depots. And even for those companies with their own depots (but no refinery), the supply doesn't always come from abroad.

    With Petron's refinery upgrade, they can actually supply to other companies at a price that's competitve with imported fuel, so Petron partly supplies these companies' fuel demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Shell is already Euro IV compliant for most of Metro Manila and North Luzon.

    They get their supply from Petron in these areas, which, as we know, already sells Euro IV across the board. I just checked the latest COQ (certificate of quality) of diesel from Petron's Limay refinery and sulfur content is really just 0.005%.


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    Can we have updates re Euro IV and Euro V sir? Would you know if petron turbo diesel is euro 5 already? thank you

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    What happen if you fill up with euro 2 only fuel on a euro 4 automobile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbah5 View Post
    Some good news for everyone. Shell will produce and supply Euro 4 fuels starting Jan. 1, 2016. The Big 3 oil companies are already Euro 4 compliant!

    Shell completes PH refinery upgrade, will make Euro IV fuel

    Reuters
    Posted at 12/14/15 6:12 PM

    SINGAPORE - Shell Philippines has completed the upgrade of its 110,000 barrels per day (bpd) refinery in the province of Batangas and will be able to produce Euro-IV compliant fuels by January, the company said on Monday.

    That is in line with a government requirement for oil companies in the country to be ready to produce the more environmentally friendly Euro-IV compliant diesel and gasoline fuels by Jan. 1, 2016. The fuels have a sulphur content of 50 parts per million (ppm) compared with 500 ppm at present.

    "(The company) has successfully completed its refinery upgrade and is ready to supply Euro IV-compliant fuels by Jan. 1, 2016," a Royal Dutch Shell RDSa.L spokeswoman told Reuters.

    The Philippines' Petron Corp. finished upgrading its 180,000 barrels-per-day (bpd) refinery in Bataan to produce Euro-IV compliant fuels earlier this year, industry sources said.

    Link: Shell completes PH refinery upgrade, will make Euro IV fuel | ABS-CBN News
    This is good news! My behbeh Monty and Mux will be very happy.

    Thanks sa info [emoji106]🏻

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    Shell sucat parang euro 4 gamit nila

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidgz View Post
    Shell sucat parang euro 4 gamit nila

    May signages na ba?

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    di ko maalala sir pero sa pumpstation meron crude at gas euro 4 na

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    Sa better Living Parañaque Euro4 na yung mga shell dun kaso gas lang. Yung diesel hindi pa

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    Quote Originally Posted by radz15 View Post
    Sa better Living Parañaque Euro4 na yung mga shell dun kaso gas lang. Yung diesel hindi pa

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    Bukas pa yata ung sa Diesel. Pero ung Phoenix malapit sa atin Euro4 na lahat

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    Some Phoenix stations in Laguna Euro 4 na

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    may radio ad na sila early this week na euro4 na sila all fuels nationwide.

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    *radz15: sir nagpakarga ako ngayon, may sign na fuelsave at vpower nitro nila euro 4 na lahat. Nagtanong din ako and euro 4 na daw gasoline at diesel nila. Dun sa maliit na shell along dña Soledad. Tried the fuel save diesel muna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty View Post
    *radz15: sir nagpakarga ako ngayon, may sign na fuelsave at vpower nitro nila euro 4 na lahat. Nagtanong din ako and euro 4 na daw gasoline at diesel nila. Dun sa maliit na shell along dña Soledad. Tried the fuel save diesel muna.
    Did they increase the prices (at least for the diesel)???

    I noticed that a couple of Petron gas stations here in our area did that when they shifted to euro4...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CVT View Post
    Did they increase the prices (at least for the diesel)???

    I noticed that a couple of Petron gas stations here in our area did that when they shifted to euro4...

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    Same padin sir.

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