Diesel Dreams

[Horsepower]

I'm dreaming to ride a compact car with:

*500cc CRDi VGT (0.5L)

*7-9 speed DSG transmission

*40kms+/L consumption (2.5L/100Kms)

*minimum top speed of 200kmh stable

*0-100 of 7secs.

*Engine must have 150-200hp.

*Then costing only 500-700T pesos brand new. hehe.

If that happens, hybrids and fuel cell cars would be thrown back into stone age. hehehe.

[mbeige]

My dream...

Mercedes Bluetec diesel E-class

[wildthing]

nice dreams... not to interupt it pero parang unrealistic yung combination ng 500cc engine putting out 150-200hp

my dmax is already 3.0L turbo intercooled and yet it is less than 200hp.

500cc divided by 4 (pistons) eh di ang displacement nito ay tig 125cc lang (parang typical size ng motorcycle pistons and displacement). Siguro this could produce only about 20-40hp normally aspirated (125cc motorcycles have less than 10hp AFAIK). Even the suzuki hayabushi 1.3L doesn't put out that much hp.

Except for those 2 the rest are realistic -

*7-9 speed DSG transmission - workable eto

*40kms+/L consumption (2.5L/100Kms) - with a small displacement workable din.

*minimum top speed of 200kmh stable - very workable, 400cc bikes can do this and still stable. as such the car should be as heavy as a big bike only... I am imagining a low profile big kart (as in big bike). So it is like a bigger version of a kart with a 500cc engine (likely supercharged or turbo charged with intercooler). Full roll-bar protection and covered by kevlar/carbon fiber composite.

*0-100 of 7secs. - very doable if the vehicle is light.

*Then costing only 500-700T pesos brand new. hehe.... with the concept of a big gokart it should be less than 500T pesos brand new.

[oldblue]

gusto ko ng BMW na diesel pang-daily

[rion]

If that happens, hybrids and fuel cell cars would be thrown back into stone age. hehehe.

wag naman sana, Diesel is still not a earth dream.

my own silly dream is to fit a BMW 520d 2.0 Liter Diesel Engine in our Van. and fit a BMW 535d 3.0 Liter Engine in the Pajero.

buying a brand new BMW is another dream.

[empy]

naunahan nyo ako....the closest car to that dream is the BMW 330d.

sa presyo lang malayo

[kimpOy]

my diesel dream is the 2008 or 2009 TOYOTA LANDCRUISER 200.

yup wala pa ito but most likely it will take a cue from the 08 LEXUS LX570

tutal nananaginip na rin tayo he..he

[rsnald]

i think horsepower is referring to a 4 cylinder 500 cc per cylinder diesel engine;

as to whether such as an engine can put out 150-200 hp, I'd say, keep that dream bro' one day it might come true
remember that the diesel engine is not yet really 100% efficient in converting the thermal energy stored in "diesel" fuel into mechanical energy. Assuming just for the sake of dreaming, the diesel engine or compression ignition engines can be tweaked by some computer control or some imaginative means of injecting or burning the fuel, it just might be able to put out those HP figures.

case in point, 50 years ago, the CRDI diesel engines would not have been possible w/o the computers that controls the fuel injection system in a modern CRDI engine. the horse power figures that we have for the latest diesel engines that are now mounted on ordinary passenger vehicles would have been mind boggling by the standards of 50's or 60's. A more recent example is when you compare the HP figures of the normally 2.5 L Isuzu 4JA1 w/c only puts out 79-80 hp while the 1.5L VGT CRDI engine of the hyundai accent gives 114 HP. that's a 34 hp difference for a 4 Liter total engine displacement difference (2.5 x 4 = 10 liters for the 4JA1 vs. 1.5 x 4 = 6 liters for the Hyundai).

But of course, this will all be limited by the laws of physics that not all energy transformation can be 100% efficient.

[emongedmund]

dream ko pajero na TDIC :sleep2: kelan kya?

[mazdamazda]

nice dreams... not to interupt it pero parang unrealistic yung combination ng 500cc engine putting out 150-200hp

+1 on this. Medyo unrealistic for the moment ang ganun output.

And if ever it comes to that... I think that the current tech of CRDi & VGT would have been obsolete already. Heck, even the whole concept of the current diesel engine would have been obsolete.

[jcastillo932]

My Diesel Dream is the latest Volkswagen Caravelle 2.5 TDI with 174 bhp and a maximum speed of 200 km/h. Puede na siguro yang speed na yan sa almost 2 ton na Van. Kaso ang presyo nasa P3.8M. Haha!!

[Horsepower]

Let's break the laws of physics then! At one point, all that matters is getting what we want. :-)

Of course, it would be mind boggling to do so but since the distance between success and failure is the courage to fail greatly....

It took Thomas Edison 2000 ways NOT to make a light bulb before he finally discovered the right way to make one.

nice dreams... not to interupt it pero parang unrealistic yung combination ng 500cc engine putting out 150-200hp

Unrealistic.. That's the word that stops people from climbing new heights...

my dmax is already 3.0L turbo intercooled and yet it is less than 200hp

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If I am not mistaken, the isuzu engine on DMAX P-ups are not yet CRDI VGT. And I haven't heard of an Isuzu engine innovation lately.

Hyundai-KIA has this engine called the S-engine, that can pump out 240hp/450Nm out of a 3.0L. That's stock. ECU Tuners can pump out probably 25-30% more power from that engine. It's got the latest turbocharger from BorgWarner called E-VGT and cold-start tech. That's the low priced version


consider:

BMW diesels:

520d CRDi 2.0 : 120kW (163hp)/ 340Nm

530d CRDi 3.0 : 173kW (235hp)/ 500Nm

535d CRDi 3.0 : 210kW (286hp)/ 580Nm


Of course, BMWs are expensive.



Think of these verbatims..


*Success is determined by those whom prove the impossible, possible.”

*The impossible - what nobody can do until somebody does”

*Imagination is better than Knowledge - Albert Einstein





Here are some great blunders from great skeptics:


That the automobile has practically reached the limit of its development is suggested by the fact that during the past year no improvements of a radical nature have been introduced.
- Scientific American, Jan. 2, 1909


While theoretically and technically television may be feasible, commercially and financially I consider it an impossibility, a development of which we need waste little time dreaming.
- Lee DeForest, 1926 (American radio pioneer)


There is no need for any individual to have a computer in their home.
- Ken Olson, 1977, President, Digital Equipment Corp


I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.
- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943.

[cyrusblutrooper]

dreaming???? dream high

AUDI V12 Le mans winning car engine
Q7 concept now might be in production by 2008
6.0Li
500bhp
1000Nm torque

[niky]

Within the immediate future, having a 150hp 500cc diesel that's streetable and emissions compliant is pretty far-fetched.

Right now, you can get turbodiesels up to the same hp level as mass market non-turbo gasoline engines of the same size... 114 for a 1.5, 150 for a 2.0, 250 for a 3.0... etcetera.

A 500cc mass market gas engine will make about 30-40 hp (let's not bring motorcycles into this... that's horsepower by high rpms, which diesels do not YET have).

It may be possible to get this with current CRDis... but to push it to 50-80 hp, you'd need to strengthen the block quite a bit (to withstand the pressure)... and such a strong block might not be economical to produce... or too heavy. Audi's R10 may be a monster... but at best it's a ratio of 130 or 150 hp per liter of displacement... and it's a heavy engine because of the strength needed. To get a ratio of 300 hp per liter from a non-race engine would take some time. Maybe another ten years or so.

What is possible now is a 500cc turbocharged gasoline engine with direct injection and variable turbine geometry that will give you about 100+hp (150 might be the edge of stock reliability) and over 30 km/l. A diesel plant could do the same, possibly, but I'm not sure how long it would last under the high pressure.

Still, you never know. Back in the infancy of CRDi, no one could ever have predicted that it could work so well. But new technologies being applied to gasoline engines now might redress the balance of power.

Now if we were talking about 150 hp 1000 cc CRDis, that's something that could possibly happen soon.

[rion]

new Korean diesels are real diesel dreams indeed.

yes, forgot about that... audi diesel engine is a dream too. wow, 1000Nm? I wonder if I can fit it in the Pajero.
ah so mas mura po yung BMW 330d? I still need to dream hard.

common Motorcycles are even more powerful because they don't have such pollution restrictions.

hey, how about nuclear powered vehicles, like the Batmobile in the late 60's tv.

[oldblue]

Here are some great blunders from great skeptics:


That the automobile has practically reached the limit of its development is suggested by the fact that during the past year no improvements of a radical nature have been introduced.
- Scientific American, Jan. 2, 1909


While theoretically and technically television may be feasible, commercially and financially I consider it an impossibility, a development of which we need waste little time dreaming.
- Lee DeForest, 1926 (American radio pioneer)


There is no need for any individual to have a computer in their home.
- Ken Olson, 1977, President, Digital Equipment Corp


I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.
- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943.

someday I dream that i will invest in a business with only 100K capital all-in and earn 3M a month

[rsnald]

It may be possible to get this with current CRDis... but to push it to 50-80 hp, you'd need to strengthen the block quite a bit (to withstand the pressure)... and such a strong block might not be economical to produce... or too heavy. Audi's R10 may be a monster... but at best it's a ratio of 130 or 150 hp per liter of displacement... and it's a heavy engine because of the strength needed. To get a ratio of 300 hp per liter from a non-race engine would take some time.

don't be so sure, what makes you think the next generation engines would still be based on metals? have you heard of ceramic diesel engines? lighter, yet as strong if not stronger than steel? requires no cooling so major weight reduction in terms of engine design. check out these links...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceramic

http://ceramicrotaryengines.com/

but I agree..,maybe give it another ten years... hopefully, while we're still young enough and able enough to drive a hotrodding diesel engine car or suv.
but that's depends on your frame of mind... i know a 75 year old man who enjoys driving an SUV at 110kph
.. so keep on dreaming and have an open mind ;)

[Blackraven]

Possible, but not within the next decade.

As said nga by Niky and rsnald, there would be even newer and far more different types of engines made. By that time, the hydrogen and electric engines will start entering the market. Baka pa nga by that time, these conventional engine techs will start disappearing (as stated by M2).

Right now, diesel engine tech is focusing on reducing emissions (as what MB and VAG are doing).

Pero if you can't wait and want something now, then you can try MB's 2.0 and 2.2 liter diesel engines with BLUETEC.

Euro-6 compliant

[4JGtootsie]

My opinion in the Adblue technology is slightly different. I believe that there are still other ways in improving NOx, mileage and power than spraying
urea or any other substance in the combustion chamber itself. MB should stick to designing an efficient engine based on readily available fuel like any other diesel engine manufacturer. Peace!

[Camgen6]

My dream...

Mercedes Bluetec diesel E-class

With a 620 mile range without refueling