Hydro Octane Booster (HOB) [fuel saving gadget] [merged threads]

[mrpink]

The problem is the price. The HOB sells for P7500 to P9500. I know a website which sells a similar device (fuel heater) for US$50 (shipping not included). That around P2900 and one third the price of the HOB.

i think regardless of the price .. mas ok siguro if we're able validate if it works and how it works and kung totoo yung fuel saving claims nila .. HOB is not naman keeping how it works secret .. so that's a good thing .. kung ano man yung actual fuel savings can only come out from an actual test of the product .. but it's only after we know what fuel savings are we talking about can we say if it's priced right .. baka naman yung $50 device eh 3% savings lang .. baka yung HOB is 3% ... kung ganon .. talagang lugi ka sa price ... pero we won't know until we test .. and we won't believe the results unless somebody reputable says so .. (un)fortunately, ikaw yung nabansagan na gas saver guru sa tsikot after what you did with khaos ...

pero my advice to kali_rj .. try to provide some hard data first at this point kasi .. mukhang testimonials lang lahat .. kayo yung nanliligaw eh ... lambingin mo naman muna si GH .. hindi naman basta-basta o-oo yan dahil nag-invite lang kayo .. kung yung offer ninyo eh .. "if it wrecks your car, we'll give you a brand new car !!" .. i'm sure kakagat yan .. hehe

[truefaith]

pre d lang basta fuel heater ang hob dapat siguro intindihin muna niya kung ano ang hydroctane booster bago siya magcoment o kaya subukan muna niya personal sa chery may money back pag d mo nagustohan

i think regardless of the price .. mas ok siguro if we're able validate if it works and how it works and kung totoo yung fuel saving claims nila .. HOB is not naman keeping how it works secret .. so that's a good thing .. kung ano man yung actual fuel savings can only come out from an actual test of the product .. but it's only after we know what fuel savings are we talking about can we say if it's priced right .. baka naman yung $50 device eh 3% savings lang .. baka yung HOB is 3% ... kung ganon .. talagang lugi ka sa price ... pero we won't know until we test .. and we won't believe the results unless somebody reputable says so .. (un)fortunately, ikaw yung nabansagan na gas saver guru sa tsikot after what you did with khaos ...

pero my advice to kali_rj .. try to provide some hard data first at this point kasi .. mukhang testimonials lang lahat .. kayo yung nanliligaw eh ... lambingin mo naman muna si GH .. hindi naman basta-basta o-oo yan dahil nag-invite lang kayo .. kung yung offer ninyo eh .. "if it wrecks your car, we'll give you a brand new car !!" .. i'm sure kakagat yan .. hehe

[ghosthunter]

pre d lang basta fuel heater ang hob dapat siguro intindihin muna niya kung ano ang hydroctane booster bago siya magcoment o kaya subukan muna niya personal sa chery may money back pag d mo nagustohan

actually the HOB is simply a fuel heater with a lot of accompanying technobabble.

[janalexis]

my sister happened to bring me one for me to test it since i drive more than 250 km daily. while reading some of the product data and checking the product itself, i've encountered some few issues regarding safety of the gadget itsef. allow me to enumerate them:

1. as claimed, fuel is being diverted and preheated on the HOB assembly to 250 degrees celcius and turned fuel into vapor prior to sending it into carburator or fuel ejectors. my safety concern is at 246 degrees, the average fuel reaches it autoignition point, meaning it automatically burns itself. if that is the case, then it's either this gadget is deemed UNSAFE or such data is wrong. and since there are no checkvalves into the HOB to prevent this fuel vapors from going into the other direction once the fuel demand diminishes, what are the chances of having a backfire?

2. along with the HOB is a copper tubing that can be bought in any hardware store and is commonly being used to hold freon gases for air condition and refrigeration. with the HOB assembly, this copper tubing is use to modify the fuel flow in order to divert fuel from the fuel pump or filter to the HOB and then to the carburators or ejectors. my safety concern is, has this copper tubing been tested to withstand 250 degrees celcius of preheated fuel?

to people concern, let's work on these safety issues, please.

joel

[ghosthunter]

1. as claimed, fuel is being diverted and preheated on the HOB assembly to 250 degrees celcius and turned fuel into vapor prior to sending it into carburator or fuel ejectors. my safety concern is at 246 degrees, the average fuel reaches it autoignition point, meaning it automatically burns itself. if that is the case, then it's either this gadget is deemed UNSAFE or such data is wrong. and since there are no checkvalves into the HOB to prevent this fuel vapors from going into the other direction once the fuel demand diminishes, what are the chances of having a backfire?

Even if the fuel has become superheated in the tube, it will not auto-ignite simply because there is no oxygen in the fuel tubes/pipes. Vapor-lock is a bigger problem here than auto-ignition within the pipes.

And then, the moment the fuel is sprayed through the fuel injectors, the temperature drops below the auto-ignition point. This is like a spraycan getting colder after you have sprayed out some of its contents.

[Trajano]

OT:

I just want to know what happened to Pertua? It's a true fuel saver engine oil additive, way back early 90's pa, because it really emilinates the friction in the engine. I remembered how we tested it to our Beetle with a truly remarkable savings in fuel, due to almost zero friction and then we also drained all the engine oil with pertua and drove it back and fort from Mayon, QC to Subic with an amazing result, no engine trouble whatsoever, yan ang talagang matinding invention.

[kali_rj]

try to provide some hard data first at this point kasi .. mukhang testimonials lang lahat ..

we dont have the data yet, but once i get it, like i said, i will post it. ok ok admittedly, kulang kami sa bala (we're making the most with what we have now) ... again, 3rd party credibility is in the works na sir. pero there still are other ways to answer the credibility question, thats what we're offering here.

kayo yung nanliligaw eh ... lambingin mo naman muna si GH .. hindi naman basta-basta o-oo yan dahil nag-invite lang kayo ..

thanks sa input, i believe i was cordial naman sa invite ko last week (see below).

hi ghosthunter, im new to this forum, i actually just submitted here an ad yesterday promoting HOB. i found your tony article very interesting. for yourself, what is your criteria for the effectiveness of a fuel saver aside from improving your mileage and maintaining your car's normal working performance?

since you were the one who posted this tony article, and you are a moderator here, id like to invite you to come to our headoffice in QC (near ABS-CBN Compound), so we can show to you the principles and theories behind it, and likewise, so that you can get to meet HOBs humble inventor, Mr. Glenn Castillo. bring along a few of your friends if you like.

the AVP and the flash demo i uploaded can only do so much, actual demo is always the best.

tell me your convenient date and time (early next week?), we'll make sure it'll be worth your while.... hoping for your confirmation on this one. cheers!

[ghosthunter]

we dont have the data yet, but once i get it, like i said, i will post it. ok ok admittedly, kulang kami sa bala (we're making the most with what we have now) ... again, 3rd party credibility is in the works na sir. pero there still are other ways to answer the credibility question, thats what we're offering here.

Let me get this straight, you are marketing a "fuel saving device" but seems to lack any sort of hard data to back up the claim (aside from the testimonials from "customers").

So how did you (or Glen C.) prove the device actually works? Was it ever tested on any vehicle during it's prototype stages? Did anyone bother to record data gathered on those tests for later comparison (and eventual publication as part of marketing material?).

If such is the case, you are worst off than Inventionhaus & its Khaos gadget. At least they have some amounts of "test" data to support their claims, even if how the tests were done was a bit dubious if you read the data closely.

KALI_RJ, it is things like these that makes people skeptical on these kinds of devices, especially when it comes to proving that the theory & design works AS CLAIMED. No pseudo-science & technobabble allowed.

[kali_rj]

Let me get this straight, you are marketing a "fuel saving device" but seems to lack any sort of hard data to back up the claim (aside from the testimonials from "customers").

I'll say again, im settling with the things that i have, we dont have the data yet, but once i get it, i will post it. ok ok admittedly, kulang kami sa bala (we're making the most with what we have now) ... again, 3rd party credibility is in the works na sir. pero there still are other ways to answer the credibility question, thats what we're offering here.

So how did you (or Glen C.) prove the device actually works? Was it ever tested on any vehicle during it's prototype stages? Did anyone bother to record data gathered on those tests for later comparison (and eventual publication as part of marketing material?).

yes it was tested, pero no formal data recording was done -- that i am aware of.

If such is the case, you are worst off than Inventionhaus & its Khaos gadget.

so be it ... thats your opinion ... you're entitled to it.

At least they have some amounts of "test" data to support their claims, even if how the tests were done was a bit dubious if you read the data closely.

you see, kahit naman meron test data, you would still raise the question about the credibility of the data, in the same way you found khaos' data dubious. im really pushing for a credible party to endorse us -- when u say endorse, tests will be done ... these people will not put their names stamped to HOB if they do not believe in it ... again that is in the works. Kaya nga at the onset (last week), i cordially invited you na to come to our office so you can listen, witness and maybe evaluate ... alam ko na na credibility ang kulang namin, thats why sa simula pa lang, i requested na for your presence and possible involvement.

KALI_RJ, it is things like these that makes people skeptical on these kinds of devices, especially when it comes to proving that the theory & design works AS CLAIMED. No pseudo-science & technobabble allowed. :no

I hear you GH. but again i say, these are all the materials that i have to support HOB. If I wait for Glenn to come up with all these perfect supporting docs, i might miss on the opportunity -- like the potential tsikoteer buyers here.

fyi, though Glenn is a close friend, when he offered the hob to me oct2004, wait-and-see pa rin ako. I didnt jump into it immediately. I insisted (at the onset) that he should get 3rd party credibility -- from a car manufacturer or from the govt (DOST, DTI, TAPI or maybe DOE). I think they never seriously worked on this, so i just observed how he progressed, i just watched from the sidelines ika nga. once his customer numbers grew, his sales per week rose and his dealer network grew to about 20+ na yata, I told him sige na nga, I want to be involved na. I only became 'active' around june2005. i was able to get 2 dealers na in my area (las pinas and alabang). and up to now, im still looking.

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you see id rather have (id say) 60% completion of supporting materials and be able to deliver the message to 2000 tsikoteers that HOB Exists and it works -- hoping that some of you will buy from me or thru my channels

VERSUS

having all the materials ready, and while waiting, one of the credible tsikoteers becomes a dealer, and that would mean then that i will end up with nothing -- kasi late na ko pumasok dito (gets mo?).



i know this approach is a double-edged sword having incomplete materials, pero i know, some of you would still be interested and hopefully will buy from me. i just couldnt remember the exact 'saying' pero it goes something like this: ".... id rather have a partial plan executed NOW versus a perfect plan that never gets executed ..."

Peace!

[ghosthunter]

yes it was tested, pero no formal data recording was done -- that i am aware of.

so why not have those tests done again and have some sort of data recorded? Is it that difficult?

You could even have your vehicle dyno-tested at AutoPlus to prove your horsepower gains with the gadget. Given its selling price, you can easily afford the tests and the data you gathered can be used as part of your marketing material.

you see, kahit naman meron test data, you would still raise the question about the credibility of the data, in the same way you found khaos' data dubious. im really pushing for a credible party to endorse us -- when u say endorse, tests will be done ... these people will not put their names stamped to HOB if they do not believe in it ... again that is in the works. Kaya nga at the onset (last week), i cordially invited you na to come to our office so you can listen, witness and maybe evaluate ... alam ko na na credibility ang kulang namin, thats why sa simula pa lang, i requested na for your presence and possible involvement.

Its not only a matter of believing the gadget if it works or not. I definitely do not agree to its pricing (it is not a matter of giving me a big discount on the unit I might buy from you). I already consider it expensive and almost highway robbery even if the gadget works AS CLAIMED (with all those pseudo-science technobabble included). Getting credibility is not as easy as just asking someone to put their stamp of approval on your product, they have to believe in the entire package which includes how it is marketed and pricing is part of that for me.

Funny that you mentioned credibility too. When I called your office up, the two ladies who I talked before the phone was handed over to Glenn C. seems to speak too much pseudo-science, so much that it made my eyes roll-up. But I was polite (or tried my best to be polite). At that point I was thinking of giving up on the HOB as another gadget as the product of pseudo-science.

I hear you GH. but again i say, these are all the materials that i have to support HOB. If I wait for Glenn to come up with all these perfect supporting docs, i might miss on the opportunity -- like the potential tsikoteer buyers here.

If you know anything about marketing a product, you should have waited until you have all your supporting documents complete, even if you have to do it yourself. A mishandled attempt in promoting a product can totally destroy its potential forever. I think I dont have to tell you that, right?

you see id rather have (id say) 60% completion of supporting materials and be able to deliver the message to 2000 tsikoteers that HOB Exists and it works -- hoping that some of you will buy from me or thru my channels

VERSUS

having all the materials ready, and while waiting, one of the credible tsikoteers becomes a dealer, and that would mean then that i will end up with nothing -- kasi late na ko pumasok dito (gets mo?).

But your current approach will defintely KILL most your potential customers from tsikot.com, if it hasn't yet ... gets mo?

[alwayz_yummy]

OT:

I just want to know what happened to Pertua? It's a true fuel saver engine oil additive, way back early 90's pa, because it really emilinates the friction in the engine. I remembered how we tested it to our Beetle with a truly remarkable savings in fuel, due to almost zero friction and then we also drained all the engine oil with pertua and drove it back and fort from Mayon, QC to Subic with an amazing result, no engine trouble whatsoever, yan ang talagang matinding invention.

wala na yang ganyang klaseng pertua ngayon. umalis na ng bansa ung gumawa nyan at binenta na ung name sa isang businessman...kaya, ang pertua na makikina mo ngayon, di na katulad ng noon..

yan ang sinasabi ko, pertua di gumamit ng advertisments like ng khaos/ etong hob.

sagot ko lang itong ot nya,k?

[the_wildthing]

Ok. If the thing really works, why waste marketing on retail customers? If say there are 8,000 users in tsikot (In truth less than 2,000 are active) and all of them buy, it is still NO MATCH for a manufacturer purchase for ALL their units, that's hundreds of thousands of units a year!

That's how you make money - go for volume purchasers like Toyota or Honda or GM or Ford.

Or sell it to an F1 team, an extra few laps on the same tank of fuel? They'd pay thousands.

Of course if it doesn't work, well...

[smalltimer]

sana meron din smoke emission tests results

[ghosthunter]

sana meron din smoke emission tests results

Glen C. did claim they had some sort of emissions test done (at the motorshow at the worldtrade center) with fantastic results: zero emissions.

[kali_rj]

Glen C. did claim they had some sort of emissions test done (at the motorshow at the worldtrade center) with fantastic results: zero emissions.

did he really say that? ... i will discuss this with him! im sure GH he meant better emission results ... or maybe he said almost zero emission? oh well ... i'll tell him about this.

[mazdamazda]

That's how you make money - go for volume purchasers like Toyota or Honda or GM or Ford.

Heck, why isn't this device installed as standard to engines if it does work?

[BlueBimmer]

just imagine wilth hundreds of millions of cars all over the world, the inventor could rival Bill Gates himself!

[ghosthunter]

Heck, why isn't this device installed as standard to engines if it does work?

there is a problem if the engine starts to overheat... vapour lock.

[kali_rj]

Ok. If the thing really works, why waste marketing on retail customers? If say there are 8,000 users in tsikot (In truth less than 2,000 are active) and all of them buy, it is still NO MATCH for a manufacturer purchase for ALL their units, that's hundreds of thousands of units a year!

That's how you make money - go for volume purchasers like Toyota or Honda or GM or Ford.

Or sell it to an F1 team, an extra few laps on the same tank of fuel? They'd pay thousands.

Of course if it doesn't work, well...

right now, we're getting ourselves leveraged thru dealers. pero if anyone wants to buy directly, thats ok also. i dont go out hawking hobs to everyone i see ...

many distributors are calling on big companies (bus, taxi) or any company with lots of cars. yung master distributor that we're negotiating sa US will be responsible for all the car makers you mentioned ... thanks sa idea pero napagisipan na rin po namin yan.

meron ka kilala na affiliated sa isang F1 team, pwede natin paghatian ang commission ... we're always willing to be evaluated, we're up for the challenge.

peace!

[smalltimer]

zero emissions???? here we go again....