Hydro Octane Booster (HOB) [fuel saving gadget] [merged threads]

[ghosthunter]

why am I the center of all this?

[BlueBimmer]

wow celebrity in the making!

[BlueBimmer]

jst downloaded the video presentation, dont care bout the product but the girl Joyce looks mabango hehe

[RedHotBlood]

siguro nga dapat may magpunta dun para makita yung process? ako din nagtanong dun sa nagbebenta sa festival mall nung mag exhibit sila this year lang, sabi ko parang pre-heater lang ng gasolina and it would work well on diesel (sa mga marine engines kasi ganun ang sistema), nung tinanong ko yung tungkol sa "flux generator" tinuro nya yung may wiring at ilaw na parang sensor so di ko na naintindihan, siguro mas ok kung si Glenn ang nag-explain. At that time P 6,500 lang din ang price. Wala lang akong time para sana makita yung actual.

[mazdamazda]

PLEASE explain to me what your marketing materials mean:

HYDRO-OCTANE BOOSTER

Hydrooctane booster with electromagnetic flux generator and catalytic converter can reduce emission by 50% on the average, and reduce fuel consumption without sacrificing on power. It makes the engine burn fuel more efficiently, eliminating wasted fuel back-wash. It has no moving parts and its permanent electro-magnetic field is warranted for life as a permanent system in your fuel line.

* Features: Works on diesel or unleaded gas engines
* Easy to install
* Maintenance free
* No moving parts
* Benefits: 10% to 20% savings on city driving or up to 40% on highway driving
* Smooth engine starts and running
* Clean combustion system – no carbon/varnish build up

Electromagnetic Flux Generator? (sounds like this was taken from Voltes V - hehe)

Catalytic Converter? (err... what is a cat converter doing inside the car engine?)

Permanent Electro-Magnetic Field? (is this just a fancy name for a magnet?)

[alwayz_yummy]

sir blue bimmer, ayus ung girls sa video...worth a look.pansinin mo testimnials ng mga tao dyan sa video....and tell mo ung comment mo dun.

sir ghost, mukang sayo ikaw lang gusto nila mapaniwala, mukang marami kang followers mo pag napaniwala ka nila..

another ala-"khaos" thread in the making i feel...

[ghosthunter]

Question: what is the normal operating temperature of the water exiting your engine going to the radiator?

[BlueBimmer]

one of the guys with a new crv intalled it under warranty and the casa said no problem daw, cut radiator hose, diverted fuel lines and still under warranty! bait ng honda casa na un!

[alwayz_yummy]

one of the guys with a new crv intalled it under warranty and the casa said no problem daw, cut radiator hose, diverted fuel lines and still under warranty! bait ng honda casa na un!

nga...baka may foul dun....review nga nun ung manual and warranty certificate...

di naman i-eexplain lahat ng salesman, basta "oo" lang ng "oo" kahit hindi dapat, makabenta lang.

[Ningaskugon]

Why not take up on his challenge? If not GH, then somebody in tsikot as representative? If it works, then good for all of us, we can tell them that the product works (5%, 10% etc. in fuel savings) but it's way overpriced.

If it does not work, then we can proudly tell everyone that we tried it and the thing was no good. Then, we can warn everyone to avoid it based on actual experience.

[alwayz_yummy]

Why not take up on his challenge? If not GH, then somebody in tsikot as representative? If it works, then good for all of us, we can tell them that the product works (5%, 10% etc. in fuel savings) but it's way overpriced.

If it does not work, then we can proudly tell everyone that we tried it and the thing was no good. Then, we can warn everyone to avoid it based on actual experience.

si sir GH lang ata gusto nilang rep natin.....feel nila iba ung charms niya sa tsikot

[ghosthunter]

Why not take up on his challenge? If not GH, then somebody in tsikot as representative? If it works, then good for all of us, we can tell them that the product works (5%, 10% etc. in fuel savings) but it's way overpriced.

that is what I have been trying to say... I was able to talk to Glen C. about his gadget and later regarding the price. As regarding to the price, its not his call daw.

[akuma]

As regarding to the price, its not his call daw.

really now...

[ghosthunter]

When I was able to talk to Glen C. (inventor of the HOB) on the telephone, he claimed a few things regarding the HOB device:


-the HOB can increase octane value of the fuel when the fuel passes through the device. He further claims he can demonstrate this by using a coleman lamp his has rigged with a similar heat-exchanger. The color & size of the flame, changing from yellow to blue and increasing in length is Glen's evidence of octane value increase due to his "process".

-the HOB produces a rough 60/40 liquid/vapour fuel "state" when the fuel exits the device on its way to the fuel injectors.

-the HOB contains 3 venturis to control the flow and ratio of the liquid/vapour fuel state before it exits the device.

-the HOB has a solenoid (valve) where it controls the fuel pressure exiting the device.

-Glen also mentioned that vapour lock is not a problem with his device because he has developed several models of the HOB to suit almost every type of vehicle engine type and size.

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I am going to hold my comments for the meantime...

[kali_rj]

Ok one-by-one this time ...

before I answer your question, mayne you should answer this first... How did you conclude the HOB gadget will result in the ff:

Average Fuel Mileage Improvement:
* Gas 20-30% City, 30-40% Hiway;
· Diesel 20-30%

What was your test vehicles and procedures used? How was it documented? Was the test done without the device then with the device then without the device again?

This is the average data taken from results from the customers. There is no documentation – humihingi pa ako nun.

These data were solely based on customer feedback. If they say they were consuming this much before, and they were consuming as much now, then the info is taken as it is. Lemme see if I can push for the data on the evaluation conducted by a pharma company for their fleet comparing khaos, aero yata yung isa and hob.

Any 3rd party data I can come up with, I’ll post it soon.

Unfortunately we have heard of Glen's previous product here at tsikot.com so it would be expected to generate a certain level of resistance after that.

Which previous product are you referring to that would make people “generate a certain level of resistance”?

The pricing of khaos & ego was designed to attrach both public and private vehicles. These gadgets sold between P5000 to P6500. You HOB gadget sells for P7000 to P9500. Which market segment are you targeting for this gadget? Private vehicle owners I guess...

People who can afford it? He he … that’s Glenn’s pricing strategy – it still sells anyways.

Like I mentioned before, I believe the gadget works (to a degree). What I do not agree with is the pricing you have for the product. I feel that its over priced by 150% to 200% over its market value. In fact, I know I can buy a similar gadget for $50 from the internet.

Good luck with the $50 gadget.

If HOB really works, is ghost willing to endorse it for free? hmmm
Eh bat pag artista ang nag endorse malaki bayad?

Glenn called me after you spoke, I believe it was around noontime yata. You were complaining that it was too overpriced. Glenn mentioned that he is willing to give you a special price – only for you because of your influence here. All the rest would have to pay for the SRP.

why am I the center of all this?

* Because you posted the thread about the guide to fuel savings gadgets
* Because you are one the moderators here – representing 8000 potential customers.
* And you raise very good concerns, Glenn actually told me that in your dialogue, you never backed down. Is that good or bad? Depends kung kaninong point of view.

siguro nga dapat may magpunta dun para makita yung process? ako din nagtanong dun sa nagbebenta sa festival mall nung mag exhibit sila this year lang, sabi ko parang pre-heater lang ng gasolina and it would work well on diesel (sa mga marine engines kasi ganun ang sistema), nung tinanong ko yung tungkol sa "flux generator" tinuro nya yung may wiring at ilaw na parang sensor so di ko na naintindihan, siguro mas ok kung si Glenn ang nag-explain. At that time P 6,500 lang din ang price. Wala lang akong time para sana makita yung actual.

This is exactly what im encouraging that you guys do. Go see the product, do a face-to-face discussion -- thats always better.

Yung sa festival mall or any other exhibits for that matter, the 6,500 quoted price is a promo/exhibit price, provided you will purchase it there (on the spot). After the exhibit, back to regular price na.

PLEASE explain to me what your marketing materials mean:
Electromagnetic Flux Generator? (sounds like this was taken from Voltes V - hehe)
Catalytic Converter? (err... what is a cat converter doing inside the car engine?)
Permanent Electro-Magnetic Field? (is this just a fancy name for a magnet?)

Again, like I said earlier, Im using the flash and AVP provided to me as my tools to inform you guys about the HOB. If there will be any questions raised like all these, I do not want to pretend that I know the answer. I also refer them to Glenn. Better meet with Glenn – kung interesado ka talaga.

My objective talaga of posting it here sa forum na ito is to look for dealers. I have absolutely no experience doing consumer market direct selling or retail.

I always offer the challenge, yes call it mala psychedilc back-to-the-future intergalactic terminologies, but I know you would all agree that these are the main goals:
* that it will make you achieve the desired fuel mileage improvement benefit
* and will it maintain or improve your car's performance
* maybe for brand new cars, will my warranty be maintained
kung affirmative naman ang lahat ng sagot mo here, eh di ok di ba?

some people prefer meeting the results, some people want to dig deeper and find out how the product really works. trust issue lang naman ito eh ... dowori, i'll post 3rd party credibility claims here once i have it.

I know GH would say, its overpriced ... well again, its not for everyone.

Question: what is the normal operating temperature of the water exiting your engine going to the radiator?

Didn’t you cover this in your discussion with Glenn? Lemme check … Usap na lang daw kayo ulit.

Why not take up on his challenge? If not GH, then somebody in tsikot as representative? If it works, then good for all of us, we can tell them that the product works (5%, 10% etc. in fuel savings) but it's way overpriced.

If it does not work, then we can proudly tell everyone that we tried it and the thing was no good. Then, we can warn everyone to avoid it based on actual experience.

You used the word challenge … yeah that’s what im driving at … but then again, GH already agrees that it works, pricing is the only issue for him.

that is what I have been trying to say... I was able to talk to Glen C. about his gadget and later regarding the price. As regarding to the price, its not his call daw.

Hmmm … maybe you misinterpreted him … I said it earlier Glenn mentioned that he is willing to give you a special price – only for you because of your influence here. All the rest would have to pay for the SRP. Sabi nga nya, if 7,500 is too expensive for you, name your price -- for you to conduct the evaluation. This is again offered kasi you're the moderator of tsikot.com.

But then again, i think it's irrelevant na for you bec you kinda agree already that it works, pricing is the issue na lang for you. i dont know now how to proceed with this eval with you anymore.

maybe you'll agree with the eval, we'll install it, you try for 1 week, and then you give us and tsikot.com a feedback and then we'll dismantle it (restore your car to your original condition) ... then you leave it up to your fellow tsikoteers if they are willing to pay for the SRP. your call.

peace!

[Alpha_One]

-the HOB produces a rough 60/40 liquid/vapour fuel "state" when the fuel exits the device on its way to the fuel injectors.

Interestingly, in an engine in a decent state of tune, much of the fuel would have already been vaporised or "atomised" by the time it gets into the cylinder. That's the carburetor/injector's job.

Liquid gasoline doesn't burn very quickly, in case you haven't noticed. But no, please don't light up a can of gasoline if you want to find out! I will not be responsible for any damage of anyone trying to light up their gas tanks after reading this paragraph!

[kali_rj]

i do not wish to further antagonize anybody here by commenting on each and every argument raised -- i know most if not all here have the best intentions.

thanks to all for all your comments and suggestions ... i'll be back!

but for anyone else who's still interested despite my material shortcomings, we're still very much willing to meet with you and personally discuss the merits of the HOB.

peace!



for the guy who posted the toyota data, i also have that photocopy a month ago pa. thanks for sharing, but for me the data is not credible enough (incomplete ang data gathering, walang before and after). are we referring to the same doc signed by a certain ernesto almazora with tesda certification??? it needs major polishing pa -- which will take awhile. i didnt want this data presented kasi i know i'll definitely get flamed for that.

pero, dont get me wrong, thanks na rin for posting that.

[mrpink]

well .. if anything .. this discussion is much more stimulating than the khaos thread .. i do hope some of our resident car/engine experts validate HOBs claim .. assuming that it works like it claims, then at least well know it works .. and depending on the validity of the claim, whether it's just 5% or really 25% savings or whatever the claim is, we'll be in a better position to see if it's worth the price .. but somebody has to validate ... demand/supply market forces will drive it to a price acceptable to the public given the validity of the claim ... now if it doesn't work .. flame on !!! ..

[ghosthunter]

well .. if anything .. this discussion is much more stimulating than the khaos thread .. i do hope some of our resident car/engine experts validate HOBs claim .. assuming that it works like it claims, then at least well know it works .. and depending on the validity of the claim, whether it's just 5% or really 25% savings or whatever the claim is, we'll be in a better position to see if it's worth the price .. but somebody has to validate ... demand/supply market forces will drive it to a price acceptable to the public given the validity of the claim ... now if it doesn't work .. flame on !!! ..

The problem is the price. The HOB sells for P7500 to P9500. I know a website which sells a similar device (fuel heater) for US$50 (shipping not included). That around P2900 and one third the price of the HOB.

[kali_rj]

well .. if anything .. this discussion is much more stimulating than the khaos thread .. i do hope some of our resident car/engine experts validate HOBs claim .. assuming that it works like it claims, then at least well know it works .. and depending on the validity of the claim, whether it's just 5% or really 25% savings or whatever the claim is, we'll be in a better position to see if it's worth the price .. but somebody has to validate ... demand/supply market forces will drive it to a price acceptable to the public given the validity of the claim ... now if it doesn't work .. flame on !!! ..

GH, nga pala, where did you get the 5% improvement data? Thanks.