GAS or DIESEL [Merged]

[jaeger]

Well, so as not to compare apples to oranges, why don't we narrow it down to same engine displacement and roughly the same acquisition cost like :

Hyundai Matrix CRDI 1.5 li. turbo-diesel (P687T?) vs. Honda City 1.5VTec (P659T?) or maybe

Hyundai Tuscon CRDI 2.0 li. 4x4 (P1.19M?) vs. Nissan X-Trail 2.0 4x2 (P1.11M?)

comparing them in terms of fuel efficiency (I think this is the main point of this thread right: diesel vs. gas), cost of maintenance, and other parameters.

Hyundai claims that the Matrix can do 24km/li. hi-way and 14km/li city (is this really attainable in real-world conditions?)

Anybody care to start this fair comparison or can someone suggest a better way to evaluate the topic of this thread?

[E34touring]

Hyundai claims that the Matrix can do 24km/li. hi-way and 14km/li city (is this really attainable in real-world conditions?)
?

It is possible to get the mid to high figure but one must learn to drive it with the intend on conserving fuel!. I have driven the Matrix CDRi and it is difficult to get used to the power band and the rapid rpm climb. You really need to shift quick and its lousy shifter does not help any. Boost comes early and strong, so 3000 rpm to 4500 rpm goes real quick!. It is too easy to drive this recklessly and burn lots of fuel doing so.

I am sure , over time a determined driver can master the art of driving this car correctly to squeeze an easy 20km/l out of it. Most people having used to gas engines, tend not to understand and respect the way a diesel engine behaves.

The method of driving needs to change drastically and for one person driving several different cars a week, this is a difficult thing to do. Even myself sometime drives my Vios like my BMWs.... torque steer from front-wheel drives are very scary. In the wet , its frightening!.

So, we must *re-programme our minds* properly to handle diesel. If that is the only car you have, then I am sure over time, one can master it. Keep watching how the real experienced drivers do it.

[ale828]

it's not a question of whats the better type of engine...
it's a m atter of choosing an engine type that is SUITABLE FOR YOUR LIFESTYLE.

Rightly said. It all depends on the driver. Boy racers wouldn't really like diesels bbecause of the slow pick up and the higher revs. Driver who are aggressive and have a heavy right foot tend to guzzle up more diesel than their gasoline counterpart. Our driver who has a heavy right foot does only 5-6km/L in a 2001 intercooler diesel starex. while on a previous 1999 2.5L gasoline starex club he was doing around 6-7km/L. We changed our previous gas starex thinking that the newer diesel starex would be more economical but we were wrong. It all depend on the driving style.

In Europe, diesel cars are more efficient than gas ones in bumper to bumper traffic, and even in highway motoring as long as the person drives reasonably.

[JAYarc]

ako diesel lalo na kung commonrail.. since papaunti na supply ng petrolium atleast sa diesel pwedeng mag cocomethyl ester at biodiesel..hehe

depende talaga sa purpose pag pang hauling diesel, pag pang city tapuz less<1.3L engine mas feasible ang gas (running mantenance cost)

[andre]

diesel advantage - good fuel economy, even at idling (good for waiting), good torque, solid engine, cheaper fuel
diesel disadvantage - noisier, vibrates more (compared to gas) , black & smelly smoke, more expensive to maintain

[notEworthy27]

No matter what other people say, I will stick to diesel engines. Having a gas engine is secondary. Everything really depends on where you're going to be using your vehicle.For example, if you're into fuel economy and into city driving only, pick a diesel with the "right driving attitude" or pick a 1.3L vehicle.

diesel advantage - good fuel economy, even at idling (good for waiting), good torque, solid engine, cheaper fuel
diesel disadvantage - noisier, vibrates more (compared to gas) , black & smelly smoke, more expensive to maintain

I beg to disagree on the statement that diesel engines are more expensive to maintain. Gas engines have more parts that are replaced when the time does come. Sparkplugs are one example. :D For the disadvatages stated above it can still be compromised. for noiser, more vibrations, and black and smelly smoke - try checking an engine that's been running on Biodiesel especially the test vehicles that run on full tank biodiesels. I'm sure you'd reconsider.

Well, i prefer NA gas engines because of the linearity of the power curve across the rpm range. Sa diesel kasi medyo kakapain mo pa yung tamang shifting point just to get the right feel of acceleration.

Diesel engines were really designed in that manner. Higher torque at lower rpm. compared to a gas engine, the max torque is attained at higher rpms.

[Tacoma_34]

subsidized by the government ang diesel sa atin kaya mas cheaper. i dont like diesel, tired of it.

[pixelparadigm]

Well, i prefer NA gas engines because of the linearity of the power curve across the rpm range. Sa diesel kasi medyo kakapain mo pa yung tamang shifting point just to get the right feel of acceleration.

[BlackPrince]

Well, i prefer NA gas engines because of the linearity of the power curve across the rpm range. Sa diesel kasi medyo kakapain mo pa yung tamang shifting point just to get the right feel of acceleration.

...hmmmm ... this may be the reason why jeepney driver's often rev their ride before shifting .... or maybe its a habit or maybe probs with their clutch? just a thought. hihihihi

[likot]

...hmmmm ... this may be the reason why jeepney driver's often rev their ride before shifting .... or maybe its a habit or maybe probs with their clutch? just a thought. hihihihi

mas madali pumasok ang kambyo kapag double clutch ka when shifting sa jeep namin experience ko lang!!!

[oldblue]

ako the only thing I enjoy about diesel is nde nako kina-cut ng pampasaherong jeepney lalo na pag ni-rev ko makina para d makalusot hehehe, kala nila jeep din eh busy sila magtingin ng pasahero at gamit lang tainga pag naliko.

I really welcome the increase in diesel per liter d2 sa P'nas even to the point na
sana mag-mahal pa diesel kaysa gas. In that way, you dont have to force phase-out
all PUV's, mabilis pa sa alas kwatro mag-dispatsa ng pampasahero sasakyan na nde
naman efficiently nagamit sa daan everyday.

regarding fuel consumption, pareho lang sa tingin ko kung comfort driving ang pag-uusapan. makatipid ka man ng 1.5K-2k a month while driving a diesel SUV over a gas SUV. okey na din yun 1.5-2k addl. monthly expense for the stress free, silent, smooth driving para sakin. that's the trade off. and who knows bec. of that smooth driving, you'll earn more
coz of your productivity * work.

[likot]

sa diesel ako!!!! malakas humatak!!!! mga jeepney nga nakaka survive sa maintenance cost ng diesel engine tayo pa kaya!!!!

[andre]

With the Jeepney's diesel engine sound (parang galit) trying to overtake you. you tend to move over. because you tought there might be a HUGE truck trying to overtake you.

[quiksie]

IMO ang accelerations ng diesel engines ngayon, iba na compared to engines dati. Parang gas engines na din ang acceleration ng diesel engines.

Parang yun thread na hp vs. torque

[XTO]

go for diesel esp. taas ave. mileage mo.

i'm planning to get a new ride.. here are my top 4 choices; REVO SR, REVO VX200, CROSSWIND XUV, CROSSWIND XUVi..(although i'm a little biased in favor of the revo kasi subok ko na at hindi pa ako itinirik kahit minsan).
my main thing is a daily commute to/from work and to haul stocks from manila at least once a week. my average mileage is around 350 kms/week (200kms highway and 150kms city driving). at present, i'm using a 2.0L Revo SRJ A/T which is costing me an average of p1,100 a week in gas bills. Given the same situation, which do you think is a much better ride to get in terms of durability, maintenance and cost-effectiveness .. what are the pros and cons? which is the most beneficial in the long run ???

1. GAS or DIESEL
2. MANUAL or AUTOMATIC
3. REVO or CROSSWIND (if diesel)

HELP ME OUT HERE GUYS...

[notEworthy27]

diesel manual