E10.. Yes or No?

[KERSMcRae]

Petron na mismo nagsabi... any comments fellow tsikoteers? me, i never use E10 pa.. nung nawala unleaded, i shift to XCS.

Does this mean H2O is better than E10? :hysterical: Buhay pa ba si Sir Dingle?

E10, NO.

[jumpman138]

Does this mean H2O is better than E10? :hysterical: Buhay pa ba si Sir Dingle?

E10, NO.

if we can have that technology be cheaper then yes, H2O is better than e10..hehehehe...

[niky]

Yun lang kinakatakot ko baka magcause ng damage sa engine after prolong use of e10..d pa ata made for ethanol ang mga engines ngayon..and i have an aunt who works for petron who said should stick with unleaded dahil until now di pa rin proven ang magiging effect ng ethanol sa engines..sayang lang kasi yung matitipid mo na P2 dag-dag ilang liters rin yun..hehe..studyante lang ako e..and i drive a 2.4 crv which drinks alot more than i do..i think they should give student discounts para samin..lol

The way it goes is this:

Engines built before 1990 relied on tetra-ethyl lead additives in gasoline for lubrication. These engines were very sensitive to things like alcohol and LPG... LPG lacked the tetra-ethyl compounds required for lubricating the engine valves, and alcohol actively ate into these soft, sensitive materials. All engines built by major manufacturers after 1988 or thereabouts were built to accept unleaded gasoline, which lacks lead additive and doesn't provide enough lubrication to the valves, gaskets and seals of engines that require lead.

Modern engine metals and gaskets, thus, are already hardened against the poor lubrication of modern fuels, and can likely withstand alcohol's effects. What's needed for these engines to run E10 is rubber and plastic in the fuel lines and fuel systems (pumps, etcetera) resistant to alcohol. Over the past few years, almost all American systems have been built with an eye to meeting eventual ethanol requirements.

Many Japanese and European systems may also be built with this in mind, but there's debate amongst legislators and industry people as to the actual benefits of ethanol. Blends are only cheaper because of government subsidies in most places, and ethanol crops are one of the direct causes of higher food prices nowadays. Also, Ethanol may also lead to higher emissions in engines not programmed to take it (NOx... which we don't test for, but which is toxic... though it reduces HC emissions, which we do).

In the end, though, the chances of E10 destroying your engine are marginal to none, unless it's carbureted or a two-stroke motorcycle engine. E10 is problematic in carbureted engines, which can't adjust (like most EFIs, like your CRV, can) to the different properties of E10, and whose fuel systems, being older, are not shielded against its effects. Also, older two-stroke motorcycles cannot use E10 at all, since the cleaning effects of alcohol (which are great on a modern car engine) wash the lubricating oil off of their cylinder walls and eventually destroy the engine.

You can use E10, but be careful as to how long you go between fill-ups and how low you let your fuel go... driving with very little fuel in the tank allows water condensation to build up... and E10 will only make that problem worse. But, mind you, it's a problem you already have with regular gasoline and the crappy, water-contaminated storage tanks that some gas stations have.

[Eismann]

Unleaded for me. No E10's at Caltex.

[acealejo]

havent tried it yet..... my ride is an accord 94 exi ok lng ba sa engine ko yun?

[j_avonni]

I'd used Shell E10 before. I stopped using it because there are only very few stations that selling E10. Aside from Shell EDSA-Buendia station, what other Shell stations in Metro Manila have it?


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[varnom27]

guys, just started using E10 dis week, it affects the over all power of my car. Yung gas station kc sa amin started to sell E10 instead of unleaded. They check the engine and sabi compatible daw yun dun.. so i gave it a try.. 2 days after, humina ang AC ko :-( pero pag umaapak ako ng accelerator back to normal ang coldness... I let an Ac technician check the freon and posible leak yesterday but the findings are good, no leak and the freon is ok... humina pati hatak and may sound akong naririnig... full tank ako so i have use it muna till friday... den i will shift to premium and see the difference... i hope bumalik yung dating performance by that time.. haayyyy.. btw, i'm using sentra super saloon s3..

naka experience ba kayo ng ganito using E10?

[ghosthunter]

Added POLL to this thread:

Have you encountered problems with E10 blended gasoline?

[rensom]

Ang napapansin ko lang pag ako gumagamit E10... nararamdaman ko na kapag na-idle ang engine nanginginig siya at kapag umaapak ka sa accelerator.. prang di swabe.

[josep]

E10 blended petrol has some properties that does not goes well on some car components. Unang pumalag sa car ko nyan is my fuel pump.. had a whistling sound na unti-unting lumakas habang cge gamit ko ng E10!
Now i refrain using it!

[Sarsi]

Hindi naman kaya Marketing Strategy lang ng mga car manufacturers at dealers ang pagsasabi na hindi pwede ang E10 sa mga kotse natin?

Syempre pag sinabi nila na hindi pwede, ang chioce natin ay i convert kuno ang carburetor type sa EFI, na sinasabi nila na mahal, at ang pangalawang choice mo, magpalit ka na ng auto

[redeemed]

E10 blended petrol has some properties that does not goes well on some car components. Unang pumalag sa car ko nyan is my fuel pump.. had a whistling sound na unti-unting lumakas habang cge gamit ko ng E10!
Now i refrain using it!

sir josep, kamusta naman po ngayon yung car nyo? nawala na yung whistling sound?

sabagay, same din experience ng iba.. balik na lang ulit sila sa non-E10 gasoline.. anyway, kindly update us na lang sir joseph.

[1D4LV]

i would just like to share my experience..

ever since i got my S3, i have been loading up on E10 from Total Alabang. i get a measly 7 kpl for this, plus the engine is a bit noisier and acceleration is so-so. i have been ignoring it, because, what the heck... i am using my car up to makati only (from las pinas). pag nag 100 kms na yung odo (trip) ko, below 1/4 na.

last saturday, from an empty tank, i loaded up (full tank) of XCS. and went to Fairview yesterday morning (or around 53 kms one way from my place). when i reached my destination sa Fairview, konting-konti ang galaw ng gauge. when i went back to my place in Las Pinas, or around 104 kms, nabawasan lang ng onti ang fuel gauge. i estimate this to be at the 10-11 kpl consumption. gumanda ang acceleration and tahimik na tahimik ang makina sa idle.

it means that even though your car is an EFi, meron pa ding effects yung E10 sa makina and consumption.

just sharing.

[josep]

sir josep, kamusta naman po ngayon yung car nyo? nawala na yung whistling sound?

sabagay, same din experience ng iba.. balik na lang ulit sila sa non-E10 gasoline.. anyway, kindly update us na lang sir joseph.

sir redeemed. yes i discontinued using E10 at balik sa premium petrol, nawala yung whistling sound gradually. thought had the pump damaged kasi iba na talaga ang level ng tunog. it was my neighbor who spotted kung saan galing yung unusual sound. dating SA ng toyota who now works with hyundai in the mid-East.

out of curiousity lng kasi noon why i tried using E10 kasi compatible daw sa EFI engines but then it didn't work, sa fuel pump ako ngkaproblema.

cheers

[chicosci]

nagpakarga yung tita ko ng e10 sa 2001 model volvo s60 nya dahil sabi ng volvo pwede na daw. pero ayun nanginig ung engine tapos nawalan ng power. pinasok sa casa sinabi ung fuel daw di pwede hehe. experience ko naman sa e10 sa corolla namin humihina tlga hatak. No to e10! hehe

[crave]

my engine is not compatible with e10 fuel. in our place, it's hard to find gasoline stations offering non-e10 fuel.that's why my dad is planning to sell it.

[jumyenom]

My Car is a Kia pride LX 1995 model.

Since I first tried using e10 from petron and because hindi na daw available ang pure unleaded gasoline nila na xtra. First thing I experienced is reduce power, mahina ang hatak.2). increased fuel consumption. so I adjust the air fuel combination screw to let more fuel in. lumakas ang hatak. Then after about one month of using e10, The carburator gas overflow into the mixing chamber, naturaly nalunod ang makina sa gasolina, tumirik in the middle of the road. Nasa mind ko agad na baka sira ang metering valve or float valve ng carburator, hindi sya nagsasara kaya nag overflow.The carburator is still original, never been repaired. So I open up the carburator after I manage to let it tuck back to my home. The overflow metering valve is made of rubber, now It come to my mind na baka me kinalaman ang e10 dito because of what I read on this forum na it affects rubber parts. so All I did was increase the spring tesion sa metering valve para magsara kahit hindi pa half level and gaoslina sa viewing glass. put it back and ok nanaman ang makina.
Just to make sure, I switch to XCS for now until I am sure na e10 is the culprit.
Does anybody in this forum experienced this problem???? Share it.

[CVT]

^^^ Your ride is not geared for e10 bro.... Carburetor pa kasi iyan.....

8601:matrix:

[CVT]

Bara-bara na naman ang labanan dito at ang implementasyon ay hindi pinag-aaralang mabuti dahil walang information dissemination drive, which means officially engaging the car manufacturers para alam ng mga tao ang puwede o hindi puwedeng sasakyan.... To each his own na naman tayo rito.....

8303:dishwash:

[Chikselog]

nagpakarga yung tita ko ng e10 sa 2001 model volvo s60 nya dahil sabi ng volvo pwede na daw. pero ayun nanginig ung engine tapos nawalan ng power. pinasok sa casa sinabi ung fuel daw di pwede hehe. experience ko naman sa e10 sa corolla namin humihina tlga hatak. No to e10! hehe

grabe talaga pagkakaiba sa hatak pag e10 ang kinakain ng engine..sa tapak pa lang at pag galaw ng speedometer ramdam mo ng e10 yung kinakain ng engine..ang hina ng hatak kailangan pa diinan tapak sa gas pedal para umarangkada..nakakapanibago talaga pag galing ka ng premium at nag shift ng e10.. to e10!!