E10.. Yes or No?

[niky]

YES. PETRON E-10 user here.
Im using it for my 2002 CRV.

Im pretty scared because one of my officemates said that it could damage my engine in the long run.. is this true???

If by long run, you mean 200,000 - 300,000 kms, maybe.

It'll all depend on whether the manufacturer has built the engine to resist the effects of E10. For cars built after 2000, the chances are much higher.

Consensus seems to be that E20 is the point at which most unhardened engines start experiencing problems.

[1D4LV]

yes for me too. but then again, i can't really get full mileage out of it.

[straker]

E10's for me. Pity Caltex doesn't have it.

[bLaNk_]

Yun lang kinakatakot ko baka magcause ng damage sa engine after prolong use of e10..d pa ata made for ethanol ang mga engines ngayon..and i have an aunt who works for petron who said should stick with unleaded dahil until now di pa rin proven ang magiging effect ng ethanol sa engines..sayang lang kasi yung matitipid mo na P2 dag-dag ilang liters rin yun..hehe..studyante lang ako e..and i drive a 2.4 crv which drinks alot more than i do..i think they should give student discounts para samin..lol

[webmiester]

Ive been using E10 since about 4 years na since Seaoil first introduced E10.

Seaoil's E10 formulations at that time had the highest octane ratings - Regular E10 was at 95+ and Premium E10 was at 97+, higher than any other fuel in the market. In time, they lowered this to the now prevailing 93 and 95 octane ratings. What's amazing is that Seaoil is the only one with a Premium E10 blend. It took about 2 years more before Shell introduced their E10 fuel.

Anyway, Ive shifted to Shell because their E10 eventually became cheaper, and because the service (water and air) were much better.

My Lancer GLXi 1997, has been running really great on E10 and has had no problems with the engine. Ive run it all the way up to Baguio on Seaoil's E10 fuel...

Today however, the E10 merely supplements the LPG fuel which is the main fuel of my car. It's been on LPG/E10 for a year now with no problems whatsoever.

Today, E10 fuel is even cheaper than PUV Diesel!

[niky]

Yun lang kinakatakot ko baka magcause ng damage sa engine after prolong use of e10..d pa ata made for ethanol ang mga engines ngayon..and i have an aunt who works for petron who said should stick with unleaded dahil until now di pa rin proven ang magiging effect ng ethanol sa engines..sayang lang kasi yung matitipid mo na P2 dag-dag ilang liters rin yun..hehe..studyante lang ako e..and i drive a 2.4 crv which drinks alot more than i do..i think they should give student discounts para samin..lol

The way it goes is this:

Engines built before 1990 relied on tetra-ethyl lead additives in gasoline for lubrication. These engines were very sensitive to things like alcohol and LPG... LPG lacked the tetra-ethyl compounds required for lubricating the engine valves, and alcohol actively ate into these soft, sensitive materials. All engines built by major manufacturers after 1988 or thereabouts were built to accept unleaded gasoline, which lacks lead additive and doesn't provide enough lubrication to the valves, gaskets and seals of engines that require lead.

Modern engine metals and gaskets, thus, are already hardened against the poor lubrication of modern fuels, and can likely withstand alcohol's effects. What's needed for these engines to run E10 is rubber and plastic in the fuel lines and fuel systems (pumps, etcetera) resistant to alcohol. Over the past few years, almost all American systems have been built with an eye to meeting eventual ethanol requirements.

Many Japanese and European systems may also be built with this in mind, but there's debate amongst legislators and industry people as to the actual benefits of ethanol. Blends are only cheaper because of government subsidies in most places, and ethanol crops are one of the direct causes of higher food prices nowadays. Also, Ethanol may also lead to higher emissions in engines not programmed to take it (NOx... which we don't test for, but which is toxic... though it reduces HC emissions, which we do).

In the end, though, the chances of E10 destroying your engine are marginal to none, unless it's carbureted or a two-stroke motorcycle engine. E10 is problematic in carbureted engines, which can't adjust (like most EFIs, like your CRV, can) to the different properties of E10, and whose fuel systems, being older, are not shielded against its effects. Also, older two-stroke motorcycles cannot use E10 at all, since the cleaning effects of alcohol (which are great on a modern car engine) wash the lubricating oil off of their cylinder walls and eventually destroy the engine.

You can use E10, but be careful as to how long you go between fill-ups and how low you let your fuel go... driving with very little fuel in the tank allows water condensation to build up... and E10 will only make that problem worse. But, mind you, it's a problem you already have with regular gasoline and the crappy, water-contaminated storage tanks that some gas stations have.

[Eismann]

Unleaded for me. No E10's at Caltex.

[acealejo]

havent tried it yet..... my ride is an accord 94 exi ok lng ba sa engine ko yun?

[j_avonni]

I'd used Shell E10 before. I stopped using it because there are only very few stations that selling E10. Aside from Shell EDSA-Buendia station, what other Shell stations in Metro Manila have it?


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[1D4LV]

^^

a. Shell Macapagal
b. Shell Sucat Road near SM Sucat
c. Shell Southville CAA
d. Shell Pacific
e. Shell Pasong Tamo

(note, mga nadadaanan ko lang.)