CAMPI on Biofuel Legislation

[niky]

CAMPI cautious on use of biofuel for motor vehicles
By Marianne V. Go
The Philippine Star 02/14/2006

The Chamber of Automotive Manufacturers of the Philippines (CAMPI) is cautious on the use of biofuel for motor vehicles.

In a statement, CAMPI said that "biofuel blends should be an alternative to current 100-percent petroleum-based fuel and not be mandatory."

Consumers, CAMPI said, "should be given the choice on the type of fuel they want to use in their vehicles taking into account its quality, cost and availability."

CAMPI made it clear that "the industry is not in a position to endorse any specific fuel type or brand of biofuel blends."

CAMPI added that biofuel specifications "must conform with the Worldwide Fuel Charter (WWFC)."

The WWFC standard was developed by global automobile and engine manufacturers as the fuel standard for motor vehicles including those with blends of ethanol for gasoline and fatty acid methyl esters (FAME) or vegetable derived esters (VDE) for diesel.

At the very least, the CAMPI said, these bio-fuels must be accredited by the Department of Energy in accordance with the Philippine National Standard (PNS).

Currently the WWFC provides that the allowable maximum blend by volume for ethanol on gasoline is at 10 percent, while that of FAME/VDE for diesel is at five percent.

The standards adopted by the WWFC are based on technical studies conducted by the expert automotive engineers.

The blend levels selected are optimal given the objective of maximizing alternative fuel usage while minimizing vehicle emission and ensuring performance, durability and efficiency of current engine design and fuel systems.

Previously, in June 2004, CAMPI informed then Energy Secretary Vince Perez about the effect of alternative fuel use on motor vehicle warranties.

CAMPI specificially cited that, "consistent with existing policy on warranty of motor vehicles, any problem that may be caused or proven to be attributable to the use of fuel or additives not recommended or approved by the manufacturer, after conducting an appropriate test and investigation, shall cause the warranty of such vehicle to be considered null and void."

Covered within this purview are problems directly affecting the following systems or components of the motor vehicle: fuel tank and fuel lines; engine fuel pump and injector; combustion chambers; exhaust systems; and other related functional components."

At least someone's said it. I'd been worried about word that the government wanted to make 20% mandatory.

[falken]

Other countries have been using biofuels for quite sometime. In Brazil, they even have cars that run on 100% Ethanol. In Sydney, buses run on biodiesel made from used cooking oils. So why the hell won't CAMPI endorse the govt's biofuel program? They're so full of sh*t.

[niky]

Other countries have been using biofuels for quite sometime. In Brazil, they even have cars that run on 100% Ethanol. In Sydney, buses run on biodiesel made from used cooking oils. So why the hell won't CAMPI endorse the govt's biofuel program? They're so full of sh*t.

That's because in Brazil, all the rubber and fittings are built for it.

You still can't run many locally sold brand new cars on more than 5% ethanol without burning rubber so to speak. And almost all 90's and below cars will not run well on an ethanol mix without major retrofitting of gaskets, rubber hoses and fuel pumps.

Ford's set on releasing ethanol compatible vehicles, but no one else has them yet.

The problem is, the Government wants to make 20% mandatory. If you're selling a car that can't take 20% eth, your clients are screwed of their warranties... or you're screwed out of millions in repairs. Either way, somebody loses.

Think about it from another angle, too. You're a low income guy, say a taxi driver. You've got a 93' Lancer. It's your livelihood. All of the sudden, every single gas station is selling a 20% Eth mixture that is sure to cause long-term damage to your engine. And they can't, by law, sell anything else. But you can't afford a new car. What do you do?

It's like the leaded-unleaded thing. While we still have cars that require a certain fuel, the government should make sure that people can still buy the fuel. And that gas stations carry warning tags on 20% Eth mixes stating that only cars built to new eth-compatibility standards can use it.

[falken]

Niky, I think the mandatory blend is 10% on the 4th year, and at 10% blend Ethanol won't harm anything in your car.



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[miLes]

OT lang ha maganda pala yung secretary ng CAMPI hehe hope she's not a member here...

vehicles running on cooking oils pay a certain tax for using it right?

[Lucius]

OT lang ha maganda pala yung secretary ng CAMPI hehe hope she's not a member here...

vehicles running on cooking oils pay a certain tax for using it right?

Do you have a proof on this? :D Hahahahahaha

[niky]

Oops... my mistake on the mandatory, thanks for clearing that up. :lol:

10% ethanol is okay for all vehicles currently built to US specs, but not old vehicles or all local market vehicles. A 10% blend does not have an effect on rubber currently used there, because vehicles there are equipped, by law, to handle new ethanol blends.

I'm pretty sure the new Focus and Civic may accept eth blends, but there are vehicles that may not.

[bajumbo]

hmmm.... di ba sabi ng US noon Olive oil is best? tapos ngaun pure virgin coconut oil is better according to tests... kaya lang naging Olive oil kc maraming producers sa US and apektado kapag Pure Virgin Coconut oil ang pinalabas. baka ganyan na naman yan di kaya? Protect US interest ban/control BioDiesel.

What do you guys think?

[dbuzz]

I was about to open a thread about biofuel at nakita ko 'to. It is really very good topic to explore HOW I REALLY WISH NA TULOY PA SANA ANG THREAD NA ITO... COM'ON GUYS...

Kasi ang gandang lilitaw na tama nga ang hinala ng karamihan ng pinoy na hinaharang lang ng US and/or producer ng FOSSIL FUEL.

Ang daming negative na lumalabs kasi lately eh(matutuwa si niky)..

>>> to produce daw 1.00 liter of biofuel, gagamit ng 0.75L of fossil fuel to proccess it...wheeww
>>> of course kasama na ang tataas ang greenhouse effect.
>>> food shortage dahil, farm land intended for food ay ma-divert sa biofuel production.
>>> Cooking oil price tumaas na raw (report mula Indonisia today 18july07)

But on top of this all ito at sa thread na ito nabanggit na ok naman pala boidiesel.tsssk..tsssk...

[jpdm]

[quote=dbuzz;857901]Kasi ang gandang lilitaw na tama nga ang hinala ng karamihan ng pinoy na hinaharang lang ng US and/or producer ng FOSSIL FUEL.

I agree with this.

Kasi yung seven sisters (big oil companies)that control the global oil production maapektuhan.

I still remember na nagkaroon ng US Senate hearing/inquiry asking bakit yata since the US invaded Iraq in 2003 upward thread na oil prices. And then major oil companies are now reaping mega profits from it.

The super oil companies---British Petroleum (BP-UK), Royal Dutch Shell (UK, Netherlands), Texaco-Chevron (US), ExxonMobil (US) and perhaps Saudi Aramco (KSA), Gazprom (Russian Federation) malaki ang mawawala sa kanila.

Ang pinagtataka ko bakit pumuputak ang CAMPI, japanese dominated yan a. Si Ms. Lee ng UMC ay agent ng NIssan dito..

Nakapagtataka. samatalang ang Chemrez (local biofuel manufacturer) may orders na yata sa Germany. bakit dito masama raw. Japan, home country ng mga CAMPI members e lakas gumamit ng alternative fuels...

Hmmmm......... pang the BUZZ ito...masabi nga kay Victor Agustin ng Cocktales ito.........

[jpdm]

P.S.

i m confused......

US behind this disinformation about biofuel....and yet the main proponent and consultant of those who passed the biofuels law (Zubiri et al) is the United States Agency for International Development (USAID). Then when the DOE submitted our CME-biodiesel for a series of tests, the US agency who conducted it, certified biofuels as effective and safe to use.......

In the Philippines,the demented, Japanese-dominated CAMPI, only listed Ford motor Phils., an American firm, as the only local member who will produce local vehicles with flexi-fuel engines........

Then, local oil companies such as Seaoil and Flying V are leading other oil companies to use biofuels...

and yet...the "BIg 4"---Petron (PNOC-Saudi Aramco), Pilipinas Shell ( Anglo-Dutch Shell), Caltex (Chevron-Texaco) and Total (Totalfinaelf-France) are very slow in following the new law on biofuels......

Again, I dont understand why these profit-oriented, japanese dominated CAMPI--who doesnt care about the Philippines--are behind this disinformation about biofuels. bakit sa japan ba di nagamit ng biofuel?

Kala ko ba leading sila sa sustainable development. Dun nga nagkaroon ng Kyoto Protocol a.

Tapos, ang alam ko mas safe ang natural (CME, Ethanol) keysa synthetic (oil with additives) di ba.....

[jpdm]

Biofuels for Transportation: Global Potential and Implications for Sustainable Agriculture and Energy in the 21st Century

• In the United States, high oil prices and agricultural lobbying prompted passage in 2005 of Renewable Fuels Standard (RFS) that will require the use of 28.4 billion liters (7.5 billion gallons) of biofuels for transportation by 2012. Under new guidelines implementing the Energy Policy Act of 1992, many government fleet vehicles that run on diesel fuel are now required to use B20 (20 percent biodiesel) blends. Many in the industry believe that these targets represent a floor, rather than a limit, to biofuel production.

• In Brazil, the government hopes to build on the success of the Proálcool ethanol program by expanding the production of biodiesel. All diesel fuel must contain 2 percent biodiesel by 2008, increasing to 5 percent by 2013, and the government hopes to ensure that poor farmers in the north and northeast receive a fair share of the economic benefits of biodiesel production.

• As of early 2006, Columbia mandates the use of 10 percent ethanol in all gasoline sold in cities with populations exceeding 500,000. In Venezuela, the state oil company is supporting the construction of 15 sugar cane distilleries over the next five years, as the government phases in a national E10 (10 percent ethanol) blending mandate. In Bolivia, 15 distilleries are being constructed, and the government is considering authorizing blends of E25. Costa Rica and GuatemalaArgentina, Mexico, Paraguay, and Peru are all considering biofuel programs as well. Many of these countries have learned from the experience of Brazil, the world leader in fuel ethanol. are also in the trial stages for expanding production of sugar cane fuel ethanol.

• A European Union directive, prompted by the desire for greater energy security as well as the requirements of the Kyoto Protocol, has set the goal of obtaining 5.75 percent of transportation fuel needs from biofuels by 2010 in all member states. In February 2006, the EU adopted an ambitious Strategy for Biofuels with a range of potential market-based, legislative, and research measures to increase the production and use of biofuels. Germany and France, in particular, have announced plans to rapidly expand both ethanol and biodiesel production, with the aim of reaching the EU targets before the deadline.

• In Japan, the government has permitted low-level ethanol blends in preparation for a possible blending mandate, with the long-term intention of replacing 20 percent of the nation’s oil demand with biofuels or gas-to-liquid (GTL) fuels by 2030.

• In Canada, the government aims for 45 percent of the country’s gasoline consumption to contain 10 percent ethanol by 2010. Ontario will be the center of the ethanol program, where the government expects all fuel to be a 5 percent blend of ethanol by 2007.

• In Southeast Asia, Thailand, eager to reduce the cost of oil imports while supporting domestic sugar and cassava growers, has mandated an ambitious 10 percent ethanol mix in gasoline starting in 2007. For similar reasons, the Philippines will soon mandate 2 percent biodiesel to support coconut growers, and 5 percent ethanol, likely beginning in 2007. The palm oil industry plans to supply an increasing portion of national diesel fuel requirements in Malaysia and Indonesia.

• Chinese and Indian planners have also sought to expand the national supply of ethanol and biodiesel. In India, a rejuvenated sugar ethanol program calls for E5 blends throughout most of the country; the government plans soon, depending on ethanol availability, to raise this requirement to E10 and then E20. In China, the government is making E10 blends mandatory in five provinces that account for 16 percent of the nation's passenger cars.

[dbuzz]

hmmm.... di ba sabi ng US noon Olive oil is best? tapos ngaun pure virgin coconut oil is better according to tests... kaya lang naging Olive oil kc maraming producers sa US and apektado kapag Pure Virgin Coconut oil ang pinalabas. baka ganyan na naman yan di kaya? Protect US interest ban/control BioDiesel.

What do you guys think?

This is what pinoy's talking about...yun bang "protectionism"...

Pinalalabas dati ng US na bad sa health yung COCONUT cooking OIL pero iyun at ang dami palang good points ito ang infact eh very healthy.

[oldblue]

so safe ba Hyundai CRDi ko?

[torque2006]

kung old ang car mo (katulad ko), wag kayo mag e-10. tope aabutin niyo nyan. kelangan niyo pa mag-adjust ng timing. mataas ang RON nyan eh, magugulat yung engine niyo especially kung matagal na kayo tumatakbo na unleaded gamit.

20% mandatory? are you kidding me? malaki ang retrofitting na gagawin nyan. might as well gawin na nilang 100%.

[Blackraven]

so safe ba Hyundai CRDi ko?

Ang alam ko, the 3.0 V6 diesel (yung sa Veracruz) already conforms to this. The E-VGT and S-CRDI technologies already "recognize" biodiesel levels of up to B10 or 10% biodiesel of any kind/feedstock and its Bosch injectors recognize it as well. Since it's the latest diesel engine from Hyundai-Kia at the moment, it also reinforces its capability to handle up to B10.

As for the 2.2 CRDI and all other previous engines, that I'm not sure.

[Alpha_One]

CAMPI's cautious stance on biofuels is highly justified. Biofuels are not new (there are several motor racing series running on pure alcohol based fuels). Gasoline and diesel just happen to be quite practical as energy storage. There's no free lunch, life's a compromise, you can't have your cake and eat it too, and all those other cliches about economics...

Jumping to E20 isn't exactly a silver bullet.