Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[n5110]

mukang hinde naman, yung sa akin meron din konting white splashes pero dun lang sa ibabaw ng solenoid, sa outlet valves ng vaporizer. wala kasi akong nakita si pix na malapit sa lpg components.

[sweet_insanity]

is converting safe?

[ghosthunter]

is converting safe?

converting one's car to use LPG?.... yes. As long it's done by a certified conversion shop.

My car has been running on auto-lpg over two years already.

[XOOMaster]

Happy Holidays to everyone!

From
Xoom Autogaz, Inc.!

May everyone enjoy this festive time of the year and MORE ROLL BACKS FOR LPG!

[Mile2]

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/139886/E...es-by-P1/liter

Eastern Petroleum cuts autogas prices by P1/liter
12/17/2008 | 04:51 PM

MANILA, Philippines – Independent oil player Eastern Petroleum Corp. on Wednesday slashed the prices of its automotive liquefied petroleum gas (auto-LPG) products by P1 per liter.

GMA’s Flash Report quoted Eastern Petroleum President Fernando Martinez as saying that the rollback took effect 6 a.m. Wednesday.

As of this posting, other oil firms have yet to announce whether they will match Eastern Petroleum’s move.

Autogas has become a popular engine for LPG-run taxi units because of its relatively cheaper price compared to other types of engine fuel. - Sophia Dedace, GMANews.TV

[rorymabangis]

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/139886/E...es-by-P1/liter

I was driving along buendia and i saw lpg stations there at 18 pesos per liter while at petron valle verde along c-5 costs 19.30/liter . ang laki ng price difference nila. i just hope ipantay ng petron ang price nila sa mga small players para magbenifit ang mga lpg users. reason why i always go there is thati always use my credit card for filling up. theres a nearby lpg refilling station pero cash basis lang sila and parati silang pareho ng price with petron na mataas din. no compelling reason to switch. i just hope na bumaba pa ang price lalo para maganda ang 2009 natin lahat.



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[Mile2]

I was driving along buendia and i saw lpg stations there at 18 pesos per liter while at petron valle verde along c-5 costs 19.30/liter . ang laki ng price difference nila. i just hope ipantay ng petron ang price nila sa mga small players para magbenifit ang mga lpg users. reason why i always go there is thati always use my credit card for filling up. theres a nearby lpg refilling station pero cash basis lang sila and parati silang pareho ng price with petron na mataas din. no compelling reason to switch. i just hope na bumaba pa ang price lalo para maganda ang 2009 natin lahat.



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Usually price per liter depends on the location, there's a tight competition when there are small players around the area like Mindanao Ave, E. Rodriguez and Shaw Blvd.

Last night Petron and Total North Fairview have lowered their price to P18.30 in line with SeaOil price which is just nearby.

I usually go to Xoom Autogas in Timog which is priced in line with the E. Rodriguez area that are always lower in price than in Makati area or North Fairview.

Have not checked the E. Rodriguez and Timog area, probably price there now is P17/liter...i hope

[Redman7]

I was driving along buendia and i saw lpg stations there at 18 pesos per liter while at petron valle verde along c-5 costs 19.30/liter . ang laki ng price difference nila. i just hope ipantay ng petron ang price nila sa mga small players para magbenifit ang mga lpg users. reason why i always go there is thati always use my credit card for filling up. theres a nearby lpg refilling station pero cash basis lang sila and parati silang pareho ng price with petron na mataas din. no compelling reason to switch. i just hope na bumaba pa ang price lalo para maganda ang 2009 natin lahat.



http://www.waltermartmakati.blogspot.com/

at the moment 18.30 / liter price nila (petron buendia; total kamagong & Manila Auto-LPG).

meron po ako nadaanan 18.00 flat....just couldnt remember if it was along manila area....

sa total alabang is 18.50 naman....

cheers

[aamd]

Fuel Consumption as of 22 November 2008

Car:.................2004 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.4.........1998 RAV4 2.0
LPG Kit:............SGI Greenfuel..............................CATGAS Open loop
Date (2008):.....June 23 - November 22.....................May 19 - November 12
Km/Liter:..........5.68.............................. .............5.67
Peso/Km:..........5.61................................. ..........5.54
% Loss:............29%.............................. .............20%
Peso Savings:.....P16,855.10........................... . .......P18,574.28
% Savings :.......29.04%.................................... ..33%

Fuel Consumption as of 30 December 2008

Car:.................2004 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.4.........1998 RAV4 2.0
LPG Kit:............SGI Greenfuel..............................CATGAS Open loop
Date (2008):.....June 23 - December 25.....................May 19 - December 25
Km/Liter:..........5.76.............................. .............5.69
Peso/Km:..........5.24................................. ..........5.15
% Loss:............28%.............................. .............19%
Peso Savings:.....P20,928.34........................... . .......P22,720.45
% Savings :.......30.60%.................................... ..34.5%

Finally, i am reaping my reward on my rav4. I paid 21k for the CATGAS open loop kit.

Yung SGI Greenfuel kit halos halfway na ako sa ROI. The price of said kit is 42k.

[quan2boy]

Question lang. How often do we need to have our LPG system serviced?

I just noticed that every 1 or 2 months, my engine would stall immediately upon switching to LPG (either via the auto-switch at 2000rpm or pressing the button). When I bring the car back for service, Greenfuel will almost just clean the filter and the car would be ok again. Any ideas? You guys experience the same? Hassle din kasing magpabalik-balik sa shop that often...

Thanks in advance.

[ghosthunter]

Question lang. How often do we need to have our LPG system serviced?

I just noticed that every 1 or 2 months, my engine would stall immediately upon switching to LPG (either via the auto-switch at 2000rpm or pressing the button). When I bring the car back for service, Greenfuel will almost just clean the filter and the car would be ok again. Any ideas? You guys experience the same? Hassle din kasing magpabalik-balik sa shop that often...

Thanks in advance.

Depends on the LPG you are getting I think. Some of the LPG refilling stations seems to be "dirty" or contaminated with oil due to non-cleaning of the storage tank. Older style venturi LPG systems will handle it with no problems but SGI systems tend to get clogged which requires some cleaning.

An in-line filter or separator can help but periodic cleaning it still required.

[Mile2]

Question lang. How often do we need to have our LPG system serviced?

I just noticed that every 1 or 2 months, my engine would stall immediately upon switching to LPG (either via the auto-switch at 2000rpm or pressing the button). When I bring the car back for service, Greenfuel will almost just clean the filter and the car would be ok again. Any ideas? You guys experience the same? Hassle din kasing magpabalik-balik sa shop that often...

Thanks in advance.

It is likely you are getting an intermittent sticky Valtek rail injectors due to oily LPG contamination. One sign that your Valtek rail is failing was the rubber hose from the reducer/condenser to the injector rail was slightly bulging (medyo maga).

If you will notice, once they service your kit; they will remove the hose going to the rail and at this instance the actuators will get rested and will flex back to its original position, freed from getting stuck. Filter cleaning will also help, but it seems base from my experience, hose dismantling and re-installation alone helps restore injector's pistons to normal positions.

Another sign that you are getting oily LPG was your spark plugs will have black carbon deposits. A clean LPG fed into the engine will yield only powdery white deposit on the spark plugs.

Note: Slowly bleed bulging LPG hose before removal by loosening the clamps and slowly rotating the hose back and forth to avoid loud gas pressure noise.

[aamd]

Kumusta na kabayan?

i just want to inform you that based on my computations,

if the price difference of Unleaded and LPG would be between 5 to 8 pesos, then i think it is better to switch to unleaded. This is for the simple reason that the mileage you can get between unleaded and LPG would be equal. In other words, there will be no more savings.

With that, the only consolation we LPG users can get is cleaner emission. As to the long term effect of LPG use for our engine, that i could not comment yet because i am only on my 8th month in using LPG.

[ghosthunter]

Personally I think the current increases in price for LPG is totally artificial, driven by greedy oil companies looking for ways to circumvent the price control over gasoline and diesel.

As for the current users of auto-lpg, remember that auto-lpg is not the solution to fuel prices and shortages. It simply gave us the power to choose which fuel we want to use for our vehicles. So when the time comes when its more economically viable to use gasoline over LPG, we can simply do so at the push of a button on our dashboard.

[n5110]

I just noticed that every 1 or 2 months, my engine would stall immediately upon switching to LPG (either via the auto-switch at 2000rpm or pressing the button). When I bring the car back for service, Greenfuel will almost just clean the filter and the car would be ok again. Any ideas? You guys experience the same? Hassle din kasing magpabalik-balik sa shop that often...

Thanks in advance.

i notice erratic idling sometimes kaya ginagawa ko, linis ng air filter, pag ayaw pa rin linis ng lpg filter, pag ayaw pa rin check ko spark plugs, ngayon ayaw pa rin, kaya nag ttrail and error na ako sa lpg mixture. mahirap kasi pag ikaw lang magisa ang nag aadjust dahil walang taga check ng rpm sa loob. hirap din kasi bumalik sa greenfuel tapos within 5-10mins of fine tuning aayos na ulit. dapat talaga matuto na rin tayo mag DIY. masyadong sensitive ang lpg.

if the price difference of Unleaded and LPG would be between 5 to 8 pesos, then i think it is better to switch to unleaded. This is for the simple reason that the mileage you can get between unleaded and LPG would be equal. In other words, there will be no more savings.
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+1. wala talagang kwenta gobyerno natin, nag check ako sa counterparts ko sa thailand and malaysia, average pump price nila nasa 10 pesos lang.
i still use my lpg kasi hinde ko pa nababawi ang installation cost. btw im only on my 6th month on lpg

[Mile2]

Kumusta na kabayan?

i just want to inform you that based on my computations,

if the price difference of Unleaded and LPG would be between 5 to 8 pesos, then i think it is better to switch to unleaded. This is for the simple reason that the mileage you can get between unleaded and LPG would be equal. In other words, there will be no more savings.

With that, the only consolation we LPG users can get is cleaner emission. As to the long term effect of LPG use for our engine, that i could not comment yet because i am only on my 8th month in using LPG.

I agree, my computation was if the price difference was down to 6-7 pesos then I will switch back to unleaded

But I guess the present situation was artificial, eventually prices will stabilize with a greater margin.

[rpxhost]

Help"

1. Since I used LPG, I left my gasoline tank dry

2. One day, i loaded petrol but then it would not start. (the engine would start but no gasoline went to engine)

3. What should I do???? somebody said the Fuel pump needs replacement.

Any ideas?

[n5110]

possible na masira talaga ang fuel pump kung more than 95% of the time naka lpg ka and leave your tank almost empty. dalhin mo na lang sa trusted mechanic mo para ma check ang fuel pump baka corroded na.

my practice. i always have 1/4 petrol in my tank and always cycle at least 2 kilometers daily para less chance mangyari yug ganyan.

[quan2boy]

i notice erratic idling sometimes kaya ginagawa ko, linis ng air filter, pag ayaw pa rin linis ng lpg filter, pag ayaw pa rin check ko spark plugs, ngayon ayaw pa rin, kaya nag ttrail and error na ako sa lpg mixture. mahirap kasi pag ikaw lang magisa ang nag aadjust dahil walang taga check ng rpm sa loob. hirap din kasi bumalik sa greenfuel tapos within 5-10mins of fine tuning aayos na ulit. dapat talaga matuto na rin tayo mag DIY. masyadong sensitive ang lpg.

Thanks n5110. Dapat nga siguro matuto na tayo mag DIY ng LPG natin. Oks na ulit yung kotse ko. Kahapon lang kasi ako nagka-chance bumalik sa Greenfuel and tama ka, in less than 10 minutes, ayus na sya ulit. Although, thanks na rin sa Greenfuel for maintaining a good pool of technicians. Lalo na ngayon, nasa Australia na pala si Ian! Kakaalis lang nung Friday! Good luck, Ian!

[quan2boy]

Kumusta na kabayan?

i just want to inform you that based on my computations,

if the price difference of Unleaded and LPG would be between 5 to 8 pesos, then i think it is better to switch to unleaded. This is for the simple reason that the mileage you can get between unleaded and LPG would be equal. In other words, there will be no more savings.

With that, the only consolation we LPG users can get is cleaner emission. As to the long term effect of LPG use for our engine, that i could not comment yet because i am only on my 8th month in using LPG.

Mga nasa P5 price difference nga rin ang estimate ko. And I agree on the cleaner emission argument. Sabi nga sa radio the other day, we have lesser pollution now vs last year and one of the reasons given was the use of auto LPG...