Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[tanoshi]

Paolo,

Sorry bout that dude, my opinion is offensive.
Overkill indeed SGi to carb but there will always be some out of many for personal reasons.

regarding this:
[quote=leatherman;1103813]Any reaction from installers who are active in this forum but are not in the list?

Not to put anyone on the spot. Just want to know why.

Are there unreasonable requirements from govt agencies? Issues with product/service standards? etc...
quote]
I'm not an installer but backreading the thread you'll notice that one of the accredited or certified gives a crappy aftersales service, probably means their tank may be strong but the system sucks.

However, it would be nice for the leading contenders here that they'd get certified too, it would cost them money for such.

[bigMIKE]

We are recognized by the dti to install auto-lpg kits. We also got certified by DENR

[leatherman]

We are recognized by the dti to install auto-lpg kits. We also got certified by DENR

There you go. Add GREENFUEL to that accredited installers list please.
Thanks bigMIKE

[leatherman]

[quote=tanoshi;1103896]
regarding this:

Any reaction from installers who are active in this forum but are not in the list?

Not to put anyone on the spot. Just want to know why.

Are there unreasonable requirements from govt agencies? Issues with product/service standards? etc...
quote]
I'm not an installer but backreading the thread you'll notice that one of the accredited or certified gives a crappy aftersales service, probably means their tank may be strong but the system sucks.

As I said it's not about proficiency nor as you said "crappy"-ness.
It's not about how much money they need to get accredited.

It's about why they are not accredited.

Is it their choice or someone else's?

Are they too anti-establishment to bother about it?

Curious actually. Because I'm planning on a conversion any day now. Just want to get to know the industry a little bit more. That way I can blame no one but myself when something goes wrong after that plunge.

Humor me please. Thanks.

[paolorenzo]

Paolo,

Sorry bout that dude, my opinion is offensive.

No offense taken tanoshi. I just felt that you were eliminating some installers prematurely. Are you seriously considering conversion? What's your ride? Baka meron nang tried-and-tested installer for your car's make and model.

[Djerms]

Hey guys, I'm withdrawing from selling my sgi kit. Tried to explain to my uncle that we have to be as practical as possible so I have to turn down his offer (since an SUV is more expensive to own).

He understood and instead will sell his SUV and give me half of the proceeds...hehe. (parang donation).

I get to keep my cookin Altis...haha.

[ezem]

Yung rough idling nangyayari kapag full stop. Normal idle siya at 800rpm, then bigla bababa to 400-600, so biglang manginginig yung oto. Parang na-sinok o na-sakal ng sandali. On few occasions nga, mamamatayan ako. Bad trip lalo A/T, so I need to switch to N or P, para maka-restart. Hassle.

Baka-ibalik ko next week, just to increase the idling settings of LPG (mga +100-200 rpm). Sigurado tataas consumption, but hopefully will offset the rough idle.

* paolorenzo

kanina lang ako nagpunta sa EROOM for the CEL issues to be solved...ngayon ok na wala na yung CEL...nagdagdag ng isa pang emulator and eureka, wala na yung CEL hehehe ok na ok pa yung takbo...pero di sa Coolmate sa makati, dun ako nagpunta sa EROOM sa Highway54 (katapat ng megamall), katabi nila yung DTI ofc sa Highway54. Tumawag kasi ako this morning kay mike about dun nga sa CEL, sabi nya dun na lang ako sa Highway54 magpunta. Si David Do (Korean Rep./Engr of EROOM Korea) ang nag install hehehe the good thing about it is that it's free, yung emulator wala na akong binayaran considering na that is something extra added to the original kit na...and here's my gift for you bro , i've told him about your problem on your VX200, the rough idling and engine turning off at sudden stop, and he told me to tell you that you can visit him there at Highway54 anytime and he's more than willing to attend to your problem and eventually solving it. Here's his contact details nga pala for you to call first for appointment...

David Do
Eroom Phils. Inc.
Unit E, G/Flr Highway54 Plaza, 986 Stanford St. cor.
EDSA, Mandaluyong City
tel. nos.: 7062231 Fax: 7062232 Cel.: 09196834112

[leatherman]

1. GhostHunter - 99 Corolla 1.6 A/T (venturi-mixer open-loop - NAIADSS)
2. kapitan88 - 2000 Lancer Glx (Carb - openloop)
3. Dococh - 2005 Escape 2.3 A/T
4. aar002 - 1999 Revo GLX 1.8 EFI A/T venturi type
5. 1997 - 1996 Nissan B14 A/t (Venturi-mixer close loop - eroom)
6. paolorenzo - 2003 Revo VX200 2.0 EFI A/T (EROOM kit)
7. chuaa - 2004 camry 2.4v (sgi greenfuel)
8. bigMIKe-2004 x-trail2.0 (sgi)
9. Djerms -2002 Corolla altis 1.6 AT (SGI GREENFUEL)
10. Mile2 - 2007 Innova 2.0 M/T (SGI GreenFuel)
11. ezem - 2002 Mitsubishi Adventure SuperSports 2.0 M/T (EROOM)

Sorry for being a party pooper. It's just that the last 3 posts simply added a name to the list-- and nothing about lpg conversion.

Isn't this thread about LPG conversion and how to distill info from experiences of installers and users?

What with the list?

paolorenzo is going through hell with his conversion.
Shouldn't every one be more concerned with finding solutions to his predicament?

I brought up accreditation issue. bigMIKE was the only one who responded.

Isn't the roll call exclusivist? I suggest creation of Club Lpg or LPG Club thread or whatever for this social exchanges.

108 pages. That's how far this thread has gone.

It has drawn interest. It has been relevant.

The public, like myself, was drawn to it because of the information it offered. Thus it's popularity.

Let's not allow this to be an LPG barkada hub nor a self-congratulatory portal.

Autogas conversion is still a long drive through a mine field.

Let's help each other through it.

It's ok to long for a pit stop to eyeball.

But hopefully in a thread dedicated for such-- not in this thread, okey? Thanks

[ezem]

toink...ang malas ko naman ako huling nag post nung list...kadadating ko lang and nag back read ako, parang roll call yata yan hehehe pero no worries, we're cool..

paolorenzo is going through hell with his conversion.
Shouldn't every one be more concerned with finding solutions to his predicament?

i've already posted something about paolorenzo's problem...it might help him with his ride's problem

Isn't this thread about LPG conversion and how to distill info from experiences of installers and users?

point taken...hehehe

I brought up accreditation issue. bigMIKE was the only one who responded.

about the accreditation...a while ago on my way home (about 9pm), while i was listening to 89.1, the DJs were discussing about the alternative fuel. They have a DTI representative discussing with them. The DTI representative have said that one of the reason why some (or most) of the LPG conversion companies are not accredited is that they are not complying to some of their (DTI's) conditions such as the tank should not be inside the passenger cabin (the tank of my LPG kit is at the back of my ride since my ride [mitsu adv] has no compartment), meaning if our ride has no compartment, the DTI is suggesting us to use our spare tire space and use the torroidal tank or put the tank on the car roof (now who would want their roof having an LPG tank?). And soon, the LTO will include the checking of LPG conversion upon registration renewal (ok lang pwede naman non-appearance hehehe). That's why they adviced the LPG kit users to ask for the xerox copy of the DTI accreditation of the LPG Conversion Company. About sa quality ng LPG kits, whether it is turkish, italian, korean, etc. the kits passed naman daw on their country's standard in which nauna sa atin magkaron ng standard and we (Philippiness) just adopted their stantards. And besides, that's international standard.

[ghosthunter]

The DTI representative have said that one of the reason why some (or most) of the LPG conversion companies are not accredited is that they are not complying to some of their (DTI's) conditions such as the tank should not be inside the passenger cabin (the tank of my LPG kit is at the back of my ride since my ride [mitsu adv] has no compartment), meaning if our ride has no compartment, the DTI is suggesting us to use our spare tire space and use the torroidal tank or put the tank on the car roof (now who would want that?). And soon, the LTO will include the checking of LPG conversion upon registration renewal. That's why they adviced the LPG kit users to ask for the xerox copy of the DTI accreditation of the LPG Conversion Company.

The DTI should be aware that even the trunk of the car is still connected to the main cabin of a car via air vents through the deck under the rear window. And it is kinda stupid to recommend the tank to be installed on the roof a car where it is in a more dangerous position because the sheet metal there was never designed to carry a heavy mass, much less, designed to restrain a heavy mass in case of vehicular impact. The chassis is a better structure to install restraints to prevent the tank from moving in case of vehicular impact/collision.

As for the LTO implementing some sort of checking, it was a matter of time I guess but I wonder what would be the LTO criteria when checking LPG systems? Would it be as useless as checking for "early warning device"? Will they be looking for the certificate of installation from the installer?

Or is it a case of some DTI official shooting off his/her mouth like a big number of senators and congressmen?

[ezem]

And it is kinda stupid to recommend the tank to be installed on the roof a car...

pero i've seen an van that has the LPG tank on its top...the van is somewhat like these two...




the EROOM delivery van has its LPG tank on top of it

[ghosthunter]

Isn't this thread about LPG conversion and how to distill info from experiences of installers and users?

What with the list?

The list is a way to find out who has already converted (and separating from the ones who are still thinking about it. It is also a handy way to find out what vehicle he has converted to auto-lpg. Call it a "tool" to further help other people who are still deciding to get some sort of feedback on conversion done on a similar car he has or solve problems from another tiskot member with a similar lpg equipped vehicle.

paolorenzo is going through hell with his conversion.
Shouldn't every one be more concerned with finding solutions to his predicament?

true... but blindly suggesting things to do or check seems not helping much.

I brought up accreditation issue. bigMIKE was the only one who responded.

Unfortunately, it's only greenfuel, eroom and greengas that are active in this thread at one time or another.

Isn't the roll call exclusivist? I suggest creation of Club Lpg or LPG Club thread or whatever for this social exchanges.

Aside from making people aware that auto-lpg is a viable solution, other reasons had been mentioned above.

108 pages. That's how far this thread has gone.

And nearly three years of keeping it alive. You're welcome.

[filchaser]

Hello Tsikoteers. Green Autogas is an accredited LPG installer. They showed me the LPG Conversion certificate with license number issued by the DTI. Aside from recommendations from fellow tsikoteers, this is one reason why I chose Green Autogas.

[ghosthunter]

AUTO-LPG roll-call moved to it's own thread:

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...=1#post1104003

[leatherman]

Thanks ezem and ghosthunter.
I'm sure your leads will help to permanently get us back on track here.

Eager to be on the list, ghosthunter.

[leatherman]

Thanks ezem and ghosthunter.
I'm sure your leads will help to permanently get us back on track here.

Eager to be on the list, ghosthunter.

[wesrex315]

1. GhostHunter - 99 Corolla 1.6 A/T (venturi-mixer open-loop - NAIADSS)
2. kapitan88 - 2000 Lancer Glx (Carb - openloop)
3. Dococh - 2005 Escape 2.3 A/T
4. aar002 - 1999 Revo GLX 1.8 EFI A/T venturi type
5. 1997 - 1996 Nissan B14 A/t (Venturi-mixer close loop - eroom)
6. paolorenzo - 2003 Revo VX200 2.0 EFI A/T (EROOM kit)
7. chuaa - 2004 camry 2.4v (sgi greenfuel)
8. bigMIKe-2004 x-trail2.0 (sgi)
9. Djerms -2002 Corolla altis 1.6 AT (SGI GREENFUEL)

10. Wesrex315 - 2004 xtrail 2.0 (sgi greenfuel)

Hey paolorenzo, ive experienced tope/nginig ng makina lately from idle to start up. Namatayan ako. Last time ngkakaganyan kz i thought its because i switch my aircon on and off. I brought it to mike. Indi na nya muna kinalibrate but iwasan ko na lng i-on/off ang aircon.

Kya lng ganon pa din sya, my mga times na namamatayan ako specially from idle, naka neutral ako then switch to drive. Any luck with ur revo? I'll be bringing it back to mike for tuning.

[tanoshi]

No offense taken tanoshi. I just felt that you were eliminating some installers prematurely. Are you seriously considering conversion? What's your ride? Baka meron nang tried-and-tested installer for your car's make and model.

Alam kong uubrang kabitan yung ride ko kasi kamag anak yun ng 1.3CVT City ni GH, a 1.5CVT Jazz kaya swak na swak ang SGi pero 17 months under warranty pa sya. Laying all cards on the table, I'm contemplating to sell my dear Carb-type pristine conditioned 95' Charade & buy a 2nd hand car compatible for SGi kit.
I live in QC, was considering to visit the one in Mindanao Ave kasi mas malapit pero based sa nababasa ko dito eh parang mas gusto ko yung conversion shop sa Mandaluyong, not because the other was inferior, but because of testimonies here & our "LPG priest" had one or more of his ride converted there. :D

[ezem]

I live in QC, was considering to visit the one in Mindanao Ave kasi mas malapit pero based sa nababasa ko dito eh parang mas gusto ko yung conversion shop sa Mandaluyong, not because the other was inferior, but because of testimonies here & our "LPG priest" had one or more of his ride converted there. :D

ei dude...the one in mindanao ave is green autogas owned by sharon. ok din dun, dun ako nagpapa autoLPG refill lagi kasi mas mura. wala pa naman ako nababasa dito sa thread na nagkaron ng prob dun sa greenautogas...SGI kit din kasi karamihan ang installs nila e pero they also have the open loop. and if you really want big mike's kit, alam ko speedlab also has big mike's LPG kit e...and/or may LPG mechanic/ installer din dun siguro si big mike sa speedlab

[ghosthunter]

Alam kong uubrang kabitan yung ride ko kasi kamag anak yun ng 1.3CVT City ni GH, a 1.5CVT Jazz kaya swak na swak ang SGi pero 17 months under warranty pa sya. Laying all cards on the table, I'm contemplating to sell my dear Carb-type pristine conditioned 95' Charade & buy a 2nd hand car compatible for SGi kit.

Why not simply consider installing your Carade with a venturi-type LPG kit? The only limitation I see if you can find a donut tank small enough to fit in the spare tire well (35 or 40L donut tank might fit... the same size that can fit in a Getz). The only major limitation of having a carb engine is the petrol/LPG switch-over cannot be done on-the-fly.

I live in QC, was considering to visit the one in Mindanao Ave kasi mas malapit pero based sa nababasa ko dito eh parang mas gusto ko yung conversion shop sa Mandaluyong, not because the other was inferior, but because of testimonies here & our "LPG priest" had one or more of his ride converted there. :D

Having the conversion shop nearby will help you when something goes wrong with the LPG system. The biggest chance of problems appearing is when the system is still new since it's a combination of any existing problem of the car added to any auto-lpg installation or setup errors/mistakes.

Although Greengas isn't as visible in the discussions, I think they also do a good job of installation auto-lpg kits.