Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[Isuzu_JP]

thanks for the info guys!

[dencio1976]

i have a corona na LPG equipped, Tomasetto Achile brand, tanong ko lang, may ginagalaw ba sa wiring sa may throttle body pag convert, napansin ko kasi, may 3 wire na putol, dko sure kung sinadya o accidental.

baka TPS yan. 3sfe engine? have it checked na lang. sa LPG walang effect yan. pero on gas mode wala kang feedback from TPS niyan and regardless of fuel used, should trigger a check light engine.

[prinsipe]

You might want to check with your tita on the monthly or weekly distance driven by the car. Why? Its just to see if its worthwhile for her to have the car converted.

As for the choice of LPG kit, I hope your tita knows the price difference between the SGI & carb type kits. It might come to a shock to her if she finds out that the SGI kits typically costs P50K for her car.

ghosthunter, thanks a lot for the info. around 850km per month ang tinatakbo ng tsikot ng tita ko. ang concern na lang nya yun availability ng refilling stations. kung may list kayo ng LPG refill stations please pa-share naman. thanks!

[ghosthunter]

ghosthunter, thanks a lot for the info. around 850km per month ang tinatakbo ng tsikot ng tita ko. ang concern na lang nya yun availability ng refilling stations. kung may list kayo ng LPG refill stations please pa-share naman. thanks!

based on your tita's distance per month, she can get an ROI in about under two years for a SGI LPG kit.

which area does your tita live & work?

[prinsipe]

based on your tita's distance per month, she can get an ROI in about under two years for a SGI LPG kit.

which area does your tita live & work?

living in Cavite, working in QC.

[ghosthunter]

There is at least two auto-LPG stations that would be along the way.

- NAIADSS at Pioneer St (near EDSA northbound), near Robinson's Pioneer
- E.Rod/C5 southbound before crossing Pasig river, beside the flyover. (I can't remember the station's name).
- Buendia Ave has two auto-LPG stations near SSH (towards Pasay side)
- EDSA, near Taft ave has a NAIADSS auto-LPG station.

these are just what I can remember that would be within or near the normal route.

[prinsipe]

There is at least two auto-LPG stations that would be along the way.

- NAIADSS at Pioneer St (near EDSA northbound), near Robinson's Pioneer
- E.Rod/C5 southbound before crossing Pasig river, beside the flyover. (I can't remember the station's name).
- Buendia Ave has two auto-LPG stations near SSH (towards Pasay side)
- EDSA, near Taft ave has a NAIADSS auto-LPG station.

these are just what I can remember that would be within or near the normal route.

Thanks gh for all the help. Will inform her about this.

[fast lane]

There is at least two auto-LPG stations that would be along the way.

- NAIADSS at Pioneer St (near EDSA northbound), near Robinson's Pioneer
- E.Rod/C5 southbound before crossing Pasig river, beside the flyover. (I can't remember the station's name).
- Buendia Ave has two auto-LPG stations near SSH (towards Pasay side)
- EDSA, near Taft ave has a NAIADSS auto-LPG station.

these are just what I can remember that would be within or near the normal route.

it's manila autogas sir

here's a link to their location and their other branches within the metro

http://www.autogasmanila.com/location.html

[webmiester]

Is LPG in the gas or liquid state sa tank?

[ghosthunter]

Is LPG in the gas or liquid state sa tank?

Liquid. There is a device under the hood which converts the liquid LPG to gas form before it is used in the engine for CARB type kits. More advanced LPG kits can actually inject liquid LPG directly into the engine.

[bigMIKE]

I'm planning to have my '96vtec converted to lpg. Anybody here who have converted a honda car to LPG? Can you please give me the negative actaul experiences before I go to naiadss?

Lpg cars are very safe. I have been installing and driving one myself. We have installed almost more than a hundred vehicles SGI kits and traditional kits since we started middle of last year. Just know what kind of system they are going to install in your vehicle and follow their maintenance procedures.

[webmiester]

Can you show me how you computed this?

based on your tita's distance per month, she can get an ROI in about under two years for a SGI LPG kit.

which area does your tita live & work?

Hi Ghosthunter,

Can you show me how you computed this? My car runs at around 1000k per month and is an SGI system. I actually thought it would take me 5 years to recover costs. Can you show me your computation? I think mali-mali yung sa akin eh. Thanks

[userfriendly]

Found this FAQ about lpg conversion. Might help some of you guys. It also includes a savings calculator.

http://ambienergy.com/faq.html

This is slightly off topic but connected.

I was watching Mythbusters last night. They shot a propane tank (locally called lpg) with a 9mm pistol and it did not penetrate the tank. They then tried a .30-06 rifle. Went clean through the tank but it did not ignite. Big cloud of propane/lpg but no fire. They repeated the .30-06 with tracer rounds (shot 3 times) and still no fire even with the propane cloud.

They did manage to blow it up using explosives. The only way they were able to blow it up by shooting was by using a Minigun firing inceindary rounds. The minigun is a vehicle mounted weapon used to destroy armored vehicles. It will probably destroy anything short of a main battle tank. Same gun used by Arnie in T2 to destroy the police cars.

My point is if shooting it does not cause an explosion, I doubt that a car crash will blow up a car's lpg tank. In my mind this proves its safe.

[shalomsiy]

Hi Shalom,

Nice to hear that Sharon is now importing a second brand. Paano yung dealership ninyo with Aldessa, is it still alive? Also, are the taiwanese kits cheaper than the turkish ones? Nakalipat na ba kayo sa Quezon City?

Honestly I dont know the technicals about the costs. All I know is mas maganda ang pagkagawa acording to sharon. Yep nakalipat na sa QC. Malapit lang sa Trinoma mall

[ghosthunter]

Can you show me how you computed this?

Hi Ghosthunter,

Can you show me how you computed this? My car runs at around 1000k per month and is an SGI system. I actually thought it would take me 5 years to recover costs. Can you show me your computation? I think mali-mali yung sa akin eh. Thanks

Assuming your car does 8km/L.
1000km/month = 125L/month

For the sake of simplified computation, we will assume the fuel mileage for gasoline and LPG is the same in your car.

125L/month
gasoline*42/L = P5,250
LPG*27/L = P3,375
cost savings per month = P1,875
cost savings per year = P22,500

SGI kit cost = P55,000
ROI period = 55k/22.5K = 2.45years

At this point, we can add 10% to the ROI period if the LPG kit was NOT a SGI kit. SGI tends to give roughly the same fuel mileage as gasoline (or even slightly better mileage in some installations). So the final computed ROI would be 2.45 years.

[chuaed]

LPG Powered Chevrolet OPTRA...

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3025548

wala lang...

[webmiester]

Assuming your car does 8km/L.
1000km/month = 125L/month

For the sake of simplified computation, we will assume the fuel mileage for gasoline and LPG is the same in your car.

125L/month
gasoline*42/L = P5,250
LPG*27/L = P3,375
cost savings per month = P1,875
cost savings per year = P22,500

SGI kit cost = P55,000
ROI period = 55k/22.5K = 2.45years

At this point, we can add 10% to the ROI period if the LPG kit was NOT a SGI kit. SGI tends to give roughly the same fuel mileage as gasoline (or even slightly better mileage in some installations). So the final computed ROI would be 2.45 years.

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That is so cool! Now there's this thing with my SGI system. Ive been getting around 9 -10 km/L with it. But it's actually cheating the mileage a little bit because it periodically shifts back to gasoline every now and then to help keep the gasoline system clean. So the 9-10km/L is actually a little less pa.

BTW, I just brought my car to Batangas for a beach overnight. I drove it through the STAR expressway reaching speeds of 150km/h! That's so far the fastest my car has gone, and I dont want to push it further for safety's sake. The LPG system had no difficulty reaching high speeds It also gave sufficient power for each overtake I needed to do.

[webmiester]

My point is if shooting it does not cause an explosion, I doubt that a car crash will blow up a car's lpg tank. In my mind this proves its safe.

The chain is only as strong as its weakest link...

I think the main fear with lpg systems is not the tank but the tubings and pipings which are a lot thinner. Also, some installers may be using cheaper materials than those used by mythbusters. In the US, even their computer casings are thicker and heavier than what we have here.

Nevertheless, I still think LPG systems are safe.

I did however install an lpg alarm in my car, just to make skeptics feel safe

[meledson]

Assuming your car does 8km/L.
1000km/month = 125L/month

For the sake of simplified computation, we will assume the fuel mileage for gasoline and LPG is the same in your car.

125L/month
gasoline*42/L = P5,250
LPG*27/L = P3,375
cost savings per month = P1,875
cost savings per year = P22,500

SGI kit cost = P55,000
ROI period = 55k/22.5K = 2.45years

At this point, we can add 10% to the ROI period if the LPG kit was NOT a SGI kit. SGI tends to give roughly the same fuel mileage as gasoline (or even slightly better mileage in some installations). So the final computed ROI would be 2.45 years.

Di ba typically na mas mababa ang FC ng LPG kaysa sa gasoline?

Assuming gagamit ako ng LPG, ito ang rough computation ko using ghosthunter's computation

12km per liter (gas) (typically it is from 12 to 13 Km per liter)
1,800 Km per month
=> 150 liters per month

PHP 44.00 per liter
= PHP 6,600 per month


10km per liter (LPG) - estimated value
1,800 Km per month
=> 180 liters per month

PHP 28.00 per liter
= PHP 5,040 per month

Savings:
PHP 1,560.00 per month
PHP 18,720.00 per year

SGI kit cost = P55,000
ROI period = 55k/18,720K = 2.94years
So after the ROI, I am saving 1,560 per month. :D

But if FC is still the same, ROI goes up to 1.91 years.

Tataas pa ito if lalaki ang difference ng per liter ng gas at LPG.

if my distance is 2200 km per month ROI goes down to 2.4 years.

In 7 months my Avanza 1.3L odometer is 16,000+Km. So about 2,285 Km per month

Dahil sa bumaba ang FC, hahaba ang ROI.

Currently ang unleaded gas sa shaw ay 43.70 pesos per liter

[enzo18]

haba ng thread, 2 araw ako inabot.
P55,000 = 2yrs+ ROI
900kms per month ako
SGI is not for me IMO