Alternative Fuel Source: Waste Vegetable Oil (WVO) aka Used Cooking Oil [MERGED]

[garyq]

do you plan to use WVO(waste veggie oil) as straight fuel or convert this to biodiesel? If you plan to use straight WVO then you have to filter and heat it up before it goes into the combustion chamber. It will be a mechanical convertion(adaption). If you will convert WVO to BD then it will be a chemical convertion. The NET is awash with info regarding these convertions.

[4JGtootsie]

Medyo dead end talaga.
I think these collectors also sell it to be used as cooking oil again after refining it. Sa likod namin may pioneer chicken restaurant and some one collects it. What is funny is his bicycle is powered by an agricultural pump engine ang clutch system niya fan belt. I now wonder if he buys the used oil to run that engine.

[lolo pepe]

bakit di mo subukan puntahan yung mga suking restaurants, canteens o yung me catering business?

[ghosthunter]

There is an episode on FIFTH GEAR where the presenter has this old diesel M.BENZ and simply poured pure used vegetable cooking oil after filtering it overnight into his fuel tank. He used ordinary coffee filters to remove the dirt from the oil. He drove the Benz coast to coast of the United Kingdom and it was fueled by used vegetable cooking oil he asked from restaurants he found along the way.

[kihtmaine]

What is funny is his bicycle is powered by an agricultural pump engine ang clutch system niya fan belt. I now wonder if he buys the used oil to run that engine.

Dude patok dito sa manila especially yung mga nasa palengke mean of transportation ng mga small retailers.

Gusto ko rin makakita ng Lister engine installed on this "vehicles"

sa you tube may mga vids tungkol sa WVO on merc. cars.

[sunny1214]

dead end talaga kasi kesyo di day pede sabihin dahil yung ngfranchise ang nag papakuha, di daw nila alam kung ano ginagawa. .. etc. pero i found a source na pero mukhang di sustainable kasi medyo mahal. pero try ko muna yun konti muna kasi for generator lang muna.

badkuk: na try ko na halos lahat sa pampanga wala puro kesyo walang idea
yun nga sana gusto ko malaman yung mismo nagkokolect pero ayw talaga sabihin.
GaryQ: filtered wvo diretso na, oo nga kailangan ko pa i painit. and balak ko start with diesel and end with diesel. para uminit muna yung engine saka switch sa wvo. btw my go signal nako ke airmat na i sacrifice yung generatorkasi di naman madalas mag magblack out.

hope someone from a fast food chain ang makabasa neto

And share ko lang mga bro. kasi pag kinakausap ko sila parang tumatawa sila
tuloy parang isip nila na bogus or may konti. pero one manager actually saw it on cable, ayun bingo nagkaintindihan kami.

[jaredpogi]

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[ghosthunter]

Nice blog entry.

It might be helpful to other people interested if you can post the contact info for "AlterEnergy Systems, Inc.".

[niky]

Damn good news! Need to know about pricing, though... and where we can source WVO if we don't produce it ourselves.

[baludoy]

i think i heard this guy last night at nu107's rock-ed program . it seems like he has been doing this for years. too bad i wasn't able to hear his answer to tuason's query regarding where he gets his wvo. medyo nagtatawanan din kasi sila tapos nag-papamasahe pa ako kaya 'di ako maka-concentrate sa kanila

[mbeige]

Here's the original thread on MB CLUB PH http://forum.mercedes-benz-clubs.com...ic.php?t=18673

And here is my response:

"If you guys notice why Paolo (a board member - check the link above) is so concerned, it's because here in the US there have been so many W123's, W116's, W126's, even W124's ruined by the crappy Lovecraft (Lovecrap) system that only uses a single tank system that's filtered by a very cheap filter costing several hundred $. He has seen so many of those running around his area (I live farther down south so my eyes don't get as sore ), and when I visit LA, Glendale, etc. I see them a lot and it's not a pretty sight considering these are the cars we adore and they just use them as a way to loop around the expensive fuel prices.

I guess we enthusiasts value the car more than those people do with their Lovecraft system, so herein lies both our concern to filter the WVO properly, separate the water properly, use the correct amount/mixture of regular diesel and WVO, and ensure the modification is done properly to ensure good working conditions and minimize breakdowns.

Then there's the issue of NOT paying proper road tax when you're using WVO. Don't even get me started on that...

That's why when some of you asked me if I'll ever go veggie, I said no..."

[casmotmd]

my drive is a MB 240D running on 100% WVO (waste vegetable oil) had it converted 2 weeks ago after 2 months of toying with the idea. you can buy the filtered/processed wvo at php 30.00 a liter or if you own a resto or fast food chain just filter it yourselves ang get free fuel for life.

advantages:
1. really cheap fuel (30 bucks commercially, you can get it as low as 20 per liter un processed)
2. no loss in power ( except on a cold engine/cooking oil must maintain oil temp 60-80 deg celcius)
3. low emmisions( my car never passed emmisions testing when it ran on diesel so i had tested after the conversion.. lo and behold it passed with flying colors)
4. good for the enviroment ( your running on waste)

try checking out this sites

http://www.frybrid.com/
http://www.greasecar.com/
http://www.elsbett.com/us/about-us/introduction.html

ideal car for convertion are indirect fuel injected diesels

most number of converted cars MB 240D, 300D 190D

the guy who converted mine owns a 240D , 300SDL , Pajero and a passenger jeep all running on waste veggie oil

really nice guy approachable and very accomodating .

[Chipsg]

Hi guys,
I'm Chips Guevara, the guy that does the SVO conversions. Sorry to be a year late in replying but I only saw the thread now while browsing. I just wanted you all to know that I am still doing conversions.

Marc, is that you who said all those nice things? Really appreciate it. Hope all is well in Milan.

To: Baludoy, yes I am the guy that appeared in the Rock Ed program. Gang Badoy is a friend and is helping me promote this environmentally friendly technology.

To: MBeige, I'm sorry to hear that Lovecraft is causing a lot of havoc and giving SVO a bad name. There are many copy cats that do not know what they are doing. There are certainly a few people here that have tried to copy my technology without really understanding it. For example, when I did my first conversion, Sunshine Motors (a Mercedes Benz shop in QC) copied me without really understanding. So they tried to sell their version at double my price and not teaching you how to filter your own fuel. There are many outfits in the US that are doing this, and offer WVO filtering systems that do not work. I actually bought one (Dieselcraft) which was very expensive and did nothing to filter it which gave me major problems. So I decided to develop my own.

I have been running on WVO fuel for 2.5 years now without problem. My fuel is cleaner than the diesel that is available here. If you are worried, I offer a warranty. I will fix anything that breaks if it is because of Alterenergy's SVO system.

I have converted an MB300D, Mitsubishi Canter, Pajero 1990, 4 Isuzu Elfs, MB300SDL, Toyota Land Cruiser (Subic), 2 MB240D's, Ford Ranger 2005, etc. My fuel is now at P20/liter

Fuel supply is tough as many restaurants offer their oil for sale for a high price. The people who buy at this price re-use the oil for human consumption such as chicharon and hopia production, or sell this carcinogenic oil in the public markets as new cooking oil. Just this morning I saw a Max Fried Chicken store in Magallanes selling their oil. I asked the buyer what he was using it for. He said fish crackers. Though I have enough fuel for individuals, I don't have enough for a fleet of trucks.

If you own a restaurant or a chain of fast food restos, and have delivery trucks, you would be my ideal customer and supplier of oil. Please don't sell your oil to just anybody. You might be giving people cancer by doing so.

Please do call me if you are interested.
491 4855 / 377 4496 CP 0917 8103245
email: sdguevara*gmail.com

I've been advocating this technology to help prevent global warming. I was criticized to be an alarmist, by taking advantage of Typhoon Millenio. Now Typhoon Ondoy and Pepeng came. Should I just keep my mouth shut, when I have a technology that will help?

The country generates 250 million liters of used cooking oil per year. This goes into our food or into our canals which end up in the ocean. We can use this to save the environment. I hope people will care this time.

[ghosthunter]

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[Phoenix67]

Hi guys, ..
...If you own a restaurant or a chain of fast food restos, and have delivery trucks, you would be my ideal customer and supplier of oil. Please don't sell your oil to just anybody. You might be giving people cancer by doing so....

....The country generates 250 million liters of used cooking oil per year. This goes into our food or into our canals which end up in the ocean. We can use this to save the environment...

Sir Chipsg... most of the used oil by major fastfood chains are bought thru bidding process.

Normally nasa 20-30% ng RBD coco oil (check your supermarket magkano ang branded coco oil) ang typical bid price basis. Contract is usually 6 months minimum and 12 months maximum.

The "usual winners" of these bids for used veg/coco oil sell these to farms and feedmills. I will bet my ass that the usage levels of these farms/feedmillers would be bigger than the chicharon/kompitis/mani makers... farms and feedmillers will easily consume truckloads of these oils in a day or week production.

These farms/feedmills usually buy these used veg/coco oil for the price of about 45% to 55% of crude coco oil. (do the math, crude coco oil nowadays sells aroung P30-35/kg.)

Unfortunately I think the current bidding price of these used oil would be too high for your actual needs (unless there is 100% recovery) considering your fuel SRP is only P20/liter.

You might want to consider trying out imported lard, tallow and palm oil/olein... they are normally cheaper too.

More power to you and your endeavor... mas marami pa sanang kalahi ninyo ang mamayagpag.

Meanwhile, I'll check my sources from Bicol if we can alter/improve coconut oil extraction from copra meal (not copra meat) baka puede yung "second-extract" pang bio-diesel use... will update this thread as it happen.

[Phoenix67]

nagtataka lang ako.... parang "kathang-isip" si sir Chipsg.... 2 post made same day that he registered.... and never returned to post.... I wonder why?!?

and the timing ng post was also interesting.... coco oil was being discussed in another thread....hmmm.... could it be....?!? I hope not...

[Benji_DCP]

I have been running on WVO fuel for 2.5 years now without problem. My fuel is cleaner than the diesel that is available here. If you are worried, I offer a warranty. I will fix anything that breaks if it is because of Alterenergy's SVO system.

I have converted an MB300D, Mitsubishi
Canter, Pajero 1990, 4 Isuzu Elfs, MB300SDL, Toyota Land Cruiser (Subic), 2 MB240D's, Ford Ranger 2005, etc. My fuel is now at P20/liter

P20/Liter is competitive. What is the needed conversion as you have mentioned for your alternate biofuel?

[Phoenix67]

P20/Liter is competitive. What is the needed conversion as you have mentioned for your alternate biofuel?

exactly... if he can really make it work.

It would actually be easy to get the "allocation" of the used cooking oil of these big fastfood companies....

[ghosthunter]

nagtataka lang ako.... parang "kathang-isip" si sir Chipsg.... 2 post made same day that he registered.... and never returned to post.... I wonder why?!?

and the timing ng post was also interesting.... coco oil was being discussed in another thread....hmmm.... could it be....?!? I hope not...

Actually this was posted IN the other thread but I don't want the post to be lost within the heated discussion so I had the post moved to it's own thread.

The information is useful.

[ghosthunter]

[SIZE="4"]MOD's NOTE:

I have merged the multiple Waste Veggie Oil for Fuel threads
into this one.

I hope it would make it easier for people to read up
on the possibilities and who to contact for help
and information.
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