Which would you buy?

**Jun aka Pekto** · June 16th, 2006 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by redorange

Toyota makes a 1.8L w/ 180hp, Mitsu. made a 1.6L w/ 170hp, BMW 2.3L w/ 190hp and those don't have superchargers to help it make power.

A thought just occured to me. Which Toyota vehicle uses the 1.8L 180hp? It can't be the Celica because it's defunct. The only 1.8L Toyota engine in US shores (used by teh Matrix and Corolla XRS) makes 164hp.

Also, which Mitsu car uses the 1.6L 170hp engine? The Ralliart Lancer here in US has a 2.4L 162hp.

Just curious. Actually, I'm just looking through Yahoo's list of 2006 and 2007 cars......

**mazdamazda** · June 16th, 2006 02:43 PM

maybe they should starting selling these in the USA:

**Jun aka Pekto** · June 16th, 2006 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by mazdamazda

maybe they should starting selling these in the USA:

You got that right. The Focus here's a little stale. Actually, it'a little more than moldy. Who's Lynx?

**orly_andico** · June 16th, 2006 02:57 PM

the lynx is the 2003.5 mazda protege mp3 with the 140-ish FS-DE 2.0L engine and the racing hart wheels, definitely available in the US

**orly_andico** · June 16th, 2006 03:10 PM

also i think the 180hp 1.8L toyota is some form of the MR2 with the very late model 4AGE with VVT-i. i believe this is a circa 1998 engine.

the typical 4AGE is a 1.6L, not VVTi, with wide-spaced DOHC valve angle, and puts out 150+ hp out of 1.6L

not as much hp as the supposed 160hp honda B16A 1.6L though although less revvy.

**mazdamazda** · June 16th, 2006 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jun aka Pekto

The only 1.8L Toyota engine in US shores (used by teh Matrix and Corolla XRS) makes 164hp.

That 1.8L engine is rated in some markets as producing 180hp... (much like the 1.8L Altis/Rav4 engine here being rated at 145hp). But with the recent hp/torque measurement standardization for the US market, several automakers downgraded the published HP output of some of their vehicles.

**kimpOy** · June 16th, 2006 03:25 PM

All-new 2007 Nissan Altima

Engines options:
265hp 3.5 liter V6
165hp 2.5 liter inline-4[/QUOTE]

wow nanginig ako sa altima...

**Jun aka Pekto** · June 16th, 2006 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by mazdamazda

That 1.8L engine is rated in some markets as producing 180hp... (much like the 1.8L Altis/Rav4 engine here being rated at 145hp). But with the recent hp/torque measurement standardization for the US market, several automakers downgraded the published HP output of some of their vehicles.

Ok. I was wondering where the extra 6hp went for the Corolla XRS. I'm assuming the same goes for the 1.6L Mitsu engine although I'm still not sure which Mitsu car uses that 1.6L. The Cobalt SS Supercharged has a 2.0L SC four and now has 205hp (up by 5). The Cobalt SS has the 2.4L four and 173hp (up by 3) while the base Cobalt has a 2.2L four with 148hp.

Also with the 2007 Altima..... Any idea why the 4-banger hp output was reduced from 175hp to 165hp? I was assuming the 4-cylinder engine would carry over or is this also because of the new hp standard?

**redorange** · June 16th, 2006 04:00 PM

The Toyota 1.8L is in the Lotus Elise and it was detuned to go on the Matrix and Corolla XRS. Mitsu. 1.6L is the 4g92 which was never used in the US but it was on the Mitsu. Mirage Asti in Japan. But, I was using those as examples of small displacement making more power than the big displacement US engines. Before the last generation Camaro GM used a 305ci/5L V8 that had all of 170hp on that model. Ford used a 305ci/5.0L V8 with 225hp. During that same time Acura had the Integra GSR with 1.8L and 170hp and later the Type R with 190hp. The 4g92 from Mitsu. also came out during that same time. GM still had their 2.3L with 170hp that shook the paint off your car. But they fixed that by putting balance shafts on it and detuned it to 120-140hp.

The QR25 on the Altima actually makes 175hp.

**niky** · June 16th, 2006 04:44 PM

The Altima's QR25DE was supposed to make 180-185 hp, but it got downgraded to 175 when tests with complete emissions compliance equipment and accessories were done. I don't doubt it would be downgraded to 165 under the new SAE ratings, as the base hp for the non-Spec V version in the Sentra is only rated at that.

The 180hp Celica engine, the Mitsubishi MIVEC 1.6 at 170hp and the 170 hp B16 never met US requirements, I think. The Honda B16 slipped in with 160hp and the Toyota engine still kept 170 or so... sad that it's now 164...