wigo versus g4

[ice15]

Every Grab Avanza Ive ridden has horrible ride quality. No joking, its probably the worst ride quality Ive ever had the displeasure of experienced and that includes sporty older cars like an E46 or WRX

agree on the Avanza... horrible ride and I also have issues with its seats.

Veloz is a better car

[baludoy]

How about the Honda br-v? It's a 7 seater peeps mover din di ba?

[dr. d]

How about the Honda br-v? It's a 7 seater peeps mover din di ba?

my close relative has one.
for some un-explainable reason, it hasn't warmed up to me...

[Vodka]

stargazer 6-seater is the most interesting in this segment

[dr. d]

stargazer 6-seater is the most interesting in this segment

... if only i can convince myself that koreans build long-lasting, reliable cars...

[makelovenotwar]

stargazer 6-seater is the most interesting in this segment

Agree ako dito.
We compared the TOTL variants of Stargazer and BRV.
Lamang na lamang yung Stargazer. Mas premium feel. Leather seats. Mas maluwag ang space sa middle row.

[carxynogen]

... if only i can convince myself that koreans build long-lasting, reliable cars...

How long po yung long-lasting nyo doc?
But I agree, hindi pa ako sold sa gas cars ng Hyundai.

[ice15]

(for me and again ) biggest problem I have with Korean cars is that they don't age well.

just look at any 1st or 2nd Gen Tucson... parang ang luma na kapag nasa road.

Remember the Kia Stonic? - weird na tignan sa kalsada...

Just last night, may naka-tabi akong Hyundai Grace beside a 90's Lite Ace (yung made in Paranaque) and the Grace looked super outdated. ues, technically older yung Grace pero it was side by side with the L300 when it was available here.

[dr. d]

How long po yung long-lasting nyo doc?
.

at least ten years of incident-free driving.
no parts failure or necessary repairs.
yung pms lang ang incident.

[dr. d]

(for me and again ) biggest problem I have with Korean cars is that they don't age well.

just look at any 1st or 2nd Gen Tucson... parang ang luma na kapag nasa road.

Remember the Kia Stonic? - weird na tignan sa kalsada...

Just last night, may naka-tabi akong Hyundai Grace beside a 90's Lite Ace (yung made in Paranaque) and the Grace looked super outdated. ues, technically older yung Grace pero it was side by side with the L300 when it was available here.

i think so, too.
the koreans may look flashy, at first.
but they do not age well.
the L300 looks nicer, if placed side by side with the hyundai grace or the kia besta.

[ice15]

i think so, too.
the koreans may look flashy, at first.
but they do not age well.
the L300 looks nicer, if placed side by side with the hyundai grace or the kia besta.

I almost bought a 2nd Gen Tucson - my wife's uncle bought one and paulit ulit ako sa wife ko na it looks really good... buti na lang di natuloy

[carxynogen]

I almost bought a 2nd Gen Tucson - my wife's uncle bought one and paulit ulit ako sa wife ko na it looks really good... buti na lang di natuloy

Their design team seems trying to design something new that will lead to previous models look old.
Di ko rin fan tung design ng Stargazer nila.
Also, the new Tucson seems not anymore appealing as the time goes by.
Santa Fe also, the current generation makes the previous gen look old.

Eto ata hindi ma gets ng mga designer nila.
Lifespan kasi ng mga products nila is 4-5 yrs only.
Toyota and Mitsu's product's lifespan seems 10 yrs (Ex: Fortuner and Montero)

[Motortrend]

Speaking of design, can't stand the rear of the Ertiga. The design is not cohesive and lacks symmetry.

[ice15]

IMO... even the current gen Picanto looks old...

The Koreans only made 1 car that aged well... The Hyundai Galloper

[Motortrend]

IMO... even the current gen Picanto looks old...

The Koreans only made 1 car that aged well... The Hyundai Galloper

That's because it is the localized version of the Mitsubishi Pajero.

[ice15]

That's because it is the localized version of the Mitsubishi Pajero.

hahaha. exactly

[dr. d]

That's because it is the localized version of the Mitsubishi Pajero.

they also copied the poorly-selling (at least, in the local market) mitsu space gear, and came up with the better-selling starex.
i do not know if starex is less reliable than space gear,
but the new versions of the starex or its successors, do not stir my lust... hmmm...
maybe it is because i am now in empty-nest syndrome.

the stargazer... hmmm... "but it's korean!"... for all the pros and cons, real or perceived...

[Motortrend]

they also copied the poorly-selling (at least, in the local market) mitsu space gear, and came up with the better-selling starex.
i do not know if starex is less reliable than space gear,
but the new versions of the starex or its successors, do not stir my lust... hmmm...
maybe it is because i am now in empty-nest syndrome.

the stargazer... hmmm... "but it's korean!"... for all the pros and cons, real or perceived...

I think you meant the Delica. The Space Gear here was a different vehicle.

BTT The Starex did not age well specially the first gen.

[dr. d]

I think you meant the Delica. The Space Gear here was a different vehicle.

BTT The Starex did not age well specially the first gen.

it probably depends on the market concerned, and the inconsistency of the manufacturer's nomenclature style. in some literature, they refered to it as the mitsubishi delica space gear.
... and pictures show the similarity to the starex of that time.

in my experience kasi,
say "delica" and i envision a rectangular headlight and a body that suggests ancestry tracing back to the L300.
say "space gear" and i see the starex clone.

yes, starii did not age well. and there were complaints regarding the engine, etc. but one can not deny that they were locally very popular back then, probably because of their seating and passenger space capacity, as well as their external arrival. typical of koreans, in my opinion: "flashy, but... ". heh heh.
but i had a colleague, he was happy with his first starex, he eventually replaced it with another, newer starex. and another colleague is still holding on to her 2004 starex as her daily ride, to this day...

[bxr monkey]

Ok naman sa akin looks ng 1st 2 gen ng Starex, Stonic, Picanto, Getz, Excel, Rio.