Is traction control and stability control important?

[gsprimetime]

I am planning to buy a pickup. Is stability and traction control important? Need some advise please.

[Tj_abs]

Hmm... I smell ford ranger 3.2 4x4? Am i right? Inmo, it depends on your daily routine sir. Try to test drive to see the difference

[gsprimetime]

I didn't know ranger had traction /stability control? I have to look at that. I really want the ranger, but only the bt50 had stability control. My wife says safety is more important than looks. I will be traveling 100km per day and I am trying to decide which one is better.

[niky]

If you're doing a lot of high speed driving on provincial highways, stability control can be helpful, but most of the time, ABS is all you need.

[Noel Salisipan]

I didn't know ranger had traction /stability control? I have to look at that. I really want the ranger, but only the bt50 had stability control. My wife says safety is more important than looks. I will be traveling 100km per day and I am trying to decide which one is better.

Sa cornering magagamit yan at beyond normal speed, or sa unfamiliar road with an unexpected curves/turns.

[gsprimetime]

I read some articles that other countries are trying to make stability control a standard. The safety ratings doesn't apply here since the dealers stripped the airbags and removed the stability control. Very hard to decide.

[yapoy86]

taken from dunk your biscuit 106 strange scientific facts by Rik Kuiper and Tonie Mudde

Don’t Waste Money on an Airbag
Buying a car? If you care about your safety you will of
course invest in an airbag. And hey, you might as well add
an anti-lock braking system (ABS), to prevent the wheels
slipping during an emergency stop. According to laboratory
evidence these things increase safety dramatically: due to
ABS an accident is less likely, and should something happen
the airbag prevents injury.
But is it really worth the investment? This was the question
asked by Professor of Civil Engineering Fred Mannering of
Purdue University in the USA. Together with other researchers
he analysed the characteristics of drivers driving around the
state of Washington between 1992 and 1996. Did the owners
of cars with airbags or anti-lock brakes have less accidents?
No. And what’s more, their physical injuries turned out to be
just as bad as for those with less ‘safe’ cars. For the researchers
this result did not come as a big surprise. It is often the case
that extra safety measures lead people to take bigger risks.
This is known as the ‘offset hypothesis’: drivers with airbags
or ABS feel safer and so keep less distance, change lanes more
often on the motorway and take more risks at junctions than
when they don’t have the extra features.

Maheshri, V., Mannering, F. L. & Winston, C. ‘An exploration
of the offset hypothesis using disaggregate data: the case
of airbags and antilock brakes’ in Journal of Risk and
Uncertainty 32 (2006), pp. 83–99

[niky]

The "compensation" effect doesn't really matter here in the Philippines, because people drive like arseholes whether they have ABS or not.

In any event, if you drive like a normal human being, ABS can save your life, as, from our testing, it can decrease stopping distances by up to two car lengths versus no ABS. What's more, not having ABS on a pick-up means that in certain conditions, the rear tires can lock up, leading to a spin and a possible roll-over in emergency braking.

Traction control will only matter in 4x2 mode on the highway, where it will keep you from oversteering the car if you try to accelerate the car suddenly on a slippery road. If you drive like a normal human being, no problem. If you own a

Stability control helps tame excess understeer and oversteer through the use of brakes, and may be useful if you are attempting to avoid an accident... or may not be. From testing, stability control lowers the handling threshold of some cars, meaning that you won't be able to turn as quickly if the need arises. Case-to-case basis siguro, but regular drivers won't suffer from having it, and it's good to have, because most drivers will not react properly to an emergency, anyway, and might try to steer the car away too hard, leading to understeer, oversteer or a roll-over.

I wouldn't be bothered if a pick-up didn't have traction control or stability control (I don't drive like a maniac on public roads). But I would be bothered if it didn't have ABS.

[yapoy86]

jeepney drivers aren't bothered........

[niky]

jeepney drivers aren't bothered........

Jeepnney drivers usually have a ton of ballast over the back axle and braking systems so weak you couldn't lock up the brakes if you were driving on ice.

Reminds me of the Lancia Monte Carlo. Notorious for locking up its front brakes and skidding out of control. Solution from Lancia? Disconnect the brake booster so you'd need Herculean legs to lock them up. :hysterical:

[Noel Salisipan]

I read some articles that other countries are trying to make stability control a standard. The safety ratings doesn't apply here since the dealers stripped the airbags and removed the stability control. Very hard to decide.

Ok naman mga safety features na yan especially in case of emergency at un-avoidable accident. For me, kung hindi naman more than 200k ang difference mas pipiliin ko na yung may airbags, traction, ABS at stability control kesa dun sa wala.

Besides, 200k worth of money doesn't equate to any parts of your body or any other major injury.

[JohnM]

Traction control will help you climb the notoriously slippery-when-wet parking ramps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR1SSxpKitE

[oj88]

taken from dunk your biscuit 106 strange scientific facts by Rik Kuiper and Tonie Mudde

Don’t Waste Money on an Airbag
Buying a car? If you care about your safety you will of
course invest in an airbag. And hey, you might as well add
an anti-lock braking system (ABS), to prevent the wheels
slipping during an emergency stop. According to laboratory
evidence these things increase safety dramatically: due to
ABS an accident is less likely, and should something happen
the airbag prevents injury.
But is it really worth the investment? This was the question
asked by Professor of Civil Engineering Fred Mannering of
Purdue University in the USA. Together with other researchers
he analysed the characteristics of drivers driving around the
state of Washington between 1992 and 1996. Did the owners
of cars with airbags or anti-lock brakes have less accidents?
No. And what’s more, their physical injuries turned out to be
just as bad as for those with less ‘safe’ cars. For the researchers
this result did not come as a big surprise. It is often the case
that extra safety measures lead people to take bigger risks.
This is known as the ‘offset hypothesis’: drivers with airbags
or ABS feel safer and so keep less distance, change lanes more
often on the motorway and take more risks at junctions than
when they don’t have the extra features.

Maheshri, V., Mannering, F. L. & Winston, C. ‘An exploration
of the offset hypothesis using disaggregate data: the case
of airbags and antilock brakes’ in Journal of Risk and
Uncertainty 32 (2006), pp. 83–99

I think niky hit it squarely on the head. That study doesn't mean that those safety devices are useless. If having those features somehow gave the driver a false sense of security and he in turn acted on it by pushing the limits of his own and the car's ability, then he's the problem.

[yapoy86]

I think niky hit it squarely on the head. That study doesn't mean that those safety devices are useless. If having those features somehow gave the driver a false sense of security and he in turn acted on it by pushing the limits of his own and the car's ability, then he's the problem.

sabi sa 1st paragraph "laboratory evidence these things increase safety dramatically"

the problem is in the driver "feel safer" with these device and takes more risks..

[GTi]

Hmm~ After going through so many cars in the family in all these years, only one had traction control, and that was the '04 Accord V6. I'd say unless you engage in lots of high precision driving, you wouldn't really feel the need for traction control. Consider the trucks that travel hundreds of kilometers daily and go island hopping on a regular basis. Most of them do not have any sort of electronic aids at all, save for some Japan surplus with front disc brakes, ABS or HSA.

Traction control is usually present on the top of the line models only, and in the case of pickups that will be the 4x4 variant. With 4x4 you will hardly lack any sort of traction under normal circumstances. And then you'd be having ABS/EBD and LSD too... I believe that will be more than you will ever need. In 4x2 variants where the electronic aids are often deleted, ABS and LSD are what you will be looking for.

[Boy Bastos]

Well, in a province near Manila....Some guys spend a lot of money to expensive 4x4 SUVs, mud-all terrain tires, locking hubs, snorkels, etc. They went river-crossing or offroading as a group. They had a hard time tackling some mud since some of them are stuck.

Then an old 4x2 jeepney with passengers and cargoes in its roof, overtook the stuck 4x4 in the river with ease.

4x4 SUV - 3Million
4x2 Jeep - 150K

Smile of the jeepney driver - Priceless

[GTi]

^Which brings us to the most important piece of vehicle equipment needed. Driver skill. No number of technological advancements can best a seasoned driver who knows his vehicle and route best.

[shadow3616931]

Well, in a province near Manila....Some guys spend a lot of money to expensive 4x4 SUVs, mud-all terrain tires, locking hubs, snorkels, etc. They went river-crossing or offroading as a group. They had a hard time tackling some mud since some of them are stuck.

Then an old 4x2 jeepney with passengers and cargoes in its roof, overtook the stuck 4x4 in the river with ease.

4x4 SUV - 3Million
4x2 Jeep - 150K

Smile of the jeepney driver - Priceless

Impossible, 4x4 SUV with lockers and mud tires got stuck and overtaken by 4x2 jeepney? Baka naman nilagyan ng kadena gulong or naka lock differential yung jeepney or baka yung SUV open differential lang.

[glenn_duke]

Impossible, 4x4 SUV with lockers and mud tires got stuck and overtaken by 4x2 jeepney? Baka naman nilagyan ng kadena gulong or naka lock differential yung jeepney or baka yung SUV open differential lang.

Baka naman naka ON yung traction control ng mga 4x4 SUV.

[gsprimetime]

Thanks for the input guys. The only pickup I know with stability control is the mazda bt50. I guess I have no choice. I will have to start test driving the bt50. Anyone know where I can get the best deal?