Toyota GL Grandia or Kia Grand Carnival (11str)?

**Junichiro** · January 19th, 2017 03:44 PM

Good day Tsikoteers.

My family is planning to purchase a vehicle that would replace our aging Van. Our minimum requirements are:

1. Comfortable seating for 6-8 pax with cargo space for 2 to 3 full-sized luggage.

2. Can be used as a service car for my senior-citizen dad when his sedan is being serviced.

We found the Carnival fascinating because of its spaciousness for first 3 rows, power amenities and creature comfort that we could definitely recommend even to my dad, and driver-friendly cabin that even my mom could drive should she decides to. But my mom finds its reliabilty/after-sales/resale value questionable, and worries it can't be used when there's a need for 11+pax with baggage.

That's why she's now inclined to the Grandia, because of its sheer passenger/gargo space and advantage in seating capacity, and the ease of maintenance and resale value. But my gripe over it is its overall lack of refinement compared to the Carnival.

So we're now torn between these two. Personally, my practical side tells me Grandia, but my heart screams Carnival.

Thus, I would like to ask for everyone's insights as to the choice I should make. It can be pro's/con's of each vehicle, or you may suggest some alternatives as well.

Sorry for the long post. Hope you guys can help. Many thanks in advance! [emoji16]

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**Sleepcare** · January 19th, 2017 05:21 PM

Would you mind me asking, what is your current van? So that we could try to fit in your shoes.

**Junichiro** · January 19th, 2017 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sleepcare

Would you mind me asking, what is your current van? So that we could try to fit in your shoes.

It's a 2012 Nissan Urvan 15 str [emoji1]

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**GTi** · January 19th, 2017 06:24 PM

GL Grandia ba o Super Grandia? With the Super Grandia, there is not much cargo space left with all the seats up either. GL Grandia naman medyo masikip ang mga individual seats nya at may pagkatagtag.

I have a relative who has a 2011 Carnival LWB. With a full load of 8 persons there is still enough room at the back for everyone's luggage for a weeklong Baguio trip and still further room for pasalubong. As for the engine, we have a 2011 Santa Fe which uses the same engine as the current Carnival. Power is definitely very far off from the Hiace even with the 3.0 engine (our Japan surplus 1KZ Granvia has similar power output!) and at 58tkms, so far so good in terms of maintenance.

Not considering the Grand Starex?

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**monty_GTV** · January 19th, 2017 06:45 PM

get the super grandia, the 2 captain chairs are ideal for senior pax...

**Junichiro** · January 19th, 2017 06:47 PM

GL Grandia sir. Super Grandia is tight for our budget.Is the ride comfort of Super Grandia and GL Grandia the same?

Thank you for your imput sir. I remember seeing the Starex just once at a mall expo, but there were some loose parts in interior fit and finish, so I wasn't that impressed. Also, I've been hearing about the not-so-stellar after market sales of hyundai dealership, so it wasn't in our list. We'll try to look into again sir.

Originally Posted by GTi

GL Grandia ba o Super Grandia? With the Super Grandia, there is not much cargo space left with all the seats up either. GL Grandia naman medyo masikip ang mga individual seats nya at may pagkatagtag.

I have a relative who has a 2011 Carnival LWB. With a full load of 8 persons there is still enough room at the back for everyone's luggage for a weeklong Baguio trip and still further room for pasalubong. As for the engine, we have a 2011 Santa Fe which uses the same engine as the current Carnival. Power is definitely very far off from the Hiace even with the 3.0 engine (our Japan surplus 1KZ Granvia has similar power output!) and at 58tkms, so far so good in terms of maintenance.

Not considering the Grand Starex?

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Originally Posted by GTi

GL Grandia ba o Super Grandia? With the Super Grandia, there is not much cargo space left with all the seats up either. GL Grandia naman medyo masikip ang mga individual seats nya at may pagkatagtag.

I have a relative who has a 2011 Carnival LWB. With a full load of 8 persons there is still enough room at the back for everyone's luggage for a weeklong Baguio trip and still further room for pasalubong. As for the engine, we have a 2011 Santa Fe which uses the same engine as the current Carnival. Power is definitely very far off from the Hiace even with the 3.0 engine (our Japan surplus 1KZ Granvia has similar power output!) and at 58tkms, so far so good in terms of maintenance.

Not considering the Grand Starex?

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**dct** · January 19th, 2017 06:58 PM

I'll suggest starex. Kasing laki ng hiace, kasing comfy ng carnival. Kung di ka lang tight budget I'd recommend starex from gray market kasi 4 rows ang offer nila dun. Unlike hari na 3 rows lang. Once in a blue moon lang dumating ang 4 rows sa hari

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**GTi** · January 19th, 2017 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Junichiro

GL Grandia sir. Super Grandia is tight for our budget.Is the ride comfort of Super Grandia and GL Grandia the same?

Thank you for your imput sir. I remember seeing the Starex just once at a mall expo, but there were some loose parts in interior fit and finish, so I wasn't that impressed. Also, I've been hearing about the not-so-stellar after market sales of hyundai dealership, so it wasn't in our list. We'll try to look into again sir.

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Advantages of the Starex over the GL Grandia include a much better ride quality due to the independent rear suspension versus the leaf springs in the GL. Then there's the advantage of having dual sliding doors, as well as a 40hp difference in power. Safety and ease of maintenance is also in favor of the Starex due to the engine located in front and not under the front seats.

Do you casa maintain your cars? I agree with Hyundai's after sales service. The lines are too long and parts prices are high. We have two Hyundai's and I've experienced this firsthand. Kia has much better service simply due to fewer vehicles being serviced. But then this isn't a problem if you have maintenance done outside. Parts aren't hard to find and neighborhood mechanics are already familiar with them.

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**Junichiro** · January 19th, 2017 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by dct

I'll suggest starex. Kasing laki ng hiace, kasing comfy ng carnival. Kung di ka lang tight budget I'd recommend starex from gray market kasi 4 rows ang offer nila dun. Unlike hari na 3 rows lang. Once in a blue moon lang dumating ang 4 rows sa hari

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Thank you for your imput. Are the current starex reliable sir?

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**Junichiro** · January 19th, 2017 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by GTi

Advantages of the Starex over the GL Grandia include a much better ride quality due to the independent rear suspension versus the leaf springs in the GL. Then there's the advantage of having dual sliding doors, as well as a 40hp difference in power. Safety and ease of maintenance is also in favor of the Starex due to the engine located in front and not under the front seats.

Do you casa maintain your cars? I agree with Hyundai's after sales service. The lines are too long and parts prices are high. We have two Hyundai's and I've experienced this firsthand. Kia has much better service simply due to fewer vehicles being serviced. But then this isn't a problem if you have maintenance done outside. Parts aren't hard to find and neighborhood mechanics are already familiar with them.

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Thank you for your imput sir. We maintain all our cars in casa especially for the warranty period, since we all don't know much about car maintenance and does not have mechanic we can trust.

How is the reliability of starex sir? How are the fit and finish of interior componets compared to the Grandia and Carnival?

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