Toyota Fortuner 4x2 2.5D4d vs. Hyundai Sta. Fe 4x2 2.2Crdi

[KCboy]

For the Europeans, it's not the three-pointed star or the whirring propeller badge that they delete for free, it's the alpha numerics. E.g. you bought a 316i (the lowest model of that body type), they can delete the badge for you. The 316i and 325i do look virtually the same to the untrained eye.

very true, some even delete the original badge and add a higher model badge, let say a pajero with "intercooler turbo" sticker to an "eci-multi v6 3000" sticker. hehehehe

[DocGM]

Actually it really wouldn't matter if Kia or Hyundai would refer sales to the other or vise versa... due to the fact that Kia is owned by Hyundai.

As for quality and resale I agree with Otep, Old Blue and Slamtaz, The koreans did make a huge quantum leap with regards to the quality of their vehicles. To also quote an American Auto review of the Sta Fe... it called it the "Practical man's Touareg or Cayenne".

And true enough if you would see the line up of KIA and Hyundai like its SEDONA; a minivan like that with specs even surpassing the great Honda Odyssey and with a better price, I can see no reason why it shouldn't beat the Toyota Previa too handsdown... At the end of the day and very soon... Badges won't matter anymore in the practical sense that is...

Sad to say but a lot of these Koreans, Malaysians and their Automotive engineers and technical guys learned and trained from us in our old Delta Motors Philippines way back in the 70's just in case some of you didn't know.

And just look at us... still the end users of the people we trained...

[OTEP]

very true, some even delete the original badge and add a higher model badge, let say a pajero with "intercooler turbo" sticker to an "eci-multi v6 3000" sticker. hehehehe

Mga pogi lang nakakagawa niyan. hehehe.

[vicoyski]

the badge is ok for the Sta Fe. looks grand. but wait 'til I turn on the park lights during sunset/dusk and it'll really turn heads. ask any sta. fe owner you know hehehe .... the best ang park light ng sta fe!

There are girls who also look better at night... They're what we call "GABI-genic"...

But, seriously... I agree... The parklights of the Sante Fe are absolutely cool! Those horizontal light strips are very unique.

[chuaa]

on resale value...all cars over 1Mn (except probably for bmw and mercedes) will experience higher depreciation vs low priced cars...because when you buy a second hand car, tendency is you wont spend anything that will hurt your pocket....so prices will fall faster from 1mn down to 500...but prices will stabilize (or fall slower) after it falls below 500...and of course this will further slow down as you get to ZERO!!! thats human nature....

so both sta fe and fortuner being over 1Mn is expected to have big price drops if you decide to sell it within 2 to 3 yrs!

personally, i think with the second hand market being saturated with soo much inventory...i dont think brand will matter much in the future....

Take for example a 2004 camry which was priced at 1.450Mn....now, the going price is around 900k... thats around 40% loss in 2 yrs....so where is the resale value that Toyota guys are talking about????

If you guys will only start looking at cars as an expense rather than an investment (which should be the case...unless its a collectors item)...then you guys will have a better perspective.....

[niky]

That much is true. If you're really concerned about resale, you buy the base model of a car, with the smallest engine type.

This is because pinoys are very concerned about gasoline prices... especially those who are looking at secondhand cars.

Is it any wonder that 1.6 base Corollas sell for almost as much, secondhand, as 1.8s? Or that 1.3 Sentra FEs, with absolutely no amenities sell for almost as much as Sentra Exaltas?

Of course, it's great if you're looking for a luxury or sports edition secondhand...

Anything expensive will lose a big chunk of value over time. Simple cars lose much less. In fact, some of the first secondhand Picantos sell for a large chunk of their brand new price.

An exception might be the SiR... but then, you can consider it a stripped down and "bare" car (not much electronics or amenities on it), so it still doesn't buck the trend.

Me? I've never seen cars as an investment, which is why I drive a Ford. Consider that it will lose about 100,000 pesos more in resale compared to a similar Honda, who cares? It cost 200,000 pesos less than that Honda brand new, and whichever I'd bought, I'd still be out half-a-million or more if I'd ever decided to sell it.

[vicoyski]

Me, I always look at my vehicle as an investment. This is because of the nature of my work... It is an investment in the image I need to project to the people I deal with. And, believe me, my investments have, thus far, paid off rather well...

So, it all depends on the individual, actually. Financially, a vehicle is, and will always be, an expense. But, looking at it as an investment gives more value to your ride. It may be an investment that can give you returns, either financially, or in terms of goodwill.

[Fortuner_MRC23]

[QUOTE=vicoyski;628445]Me, I always look at my vehicle as an investment. This is because of the nature of my work... It is an investment in the image I need to project to the people I deal with.QUOTE]

Same here Sir Vic!

[cardo]

This reminds of what my chinese counterpart said once(over a bottle of beer after work ) our discussion went on to cars because, in china I obser ved so many people drive Audi's and BMW's...not just the little compacts most are the 5's and A6's series... yun pala, people will not do business with you if you have and ordinary car(even if its an accord or camry). they will think you do not have power and influence. so people would usually ehem ehem "invest" more of their earning in a car instead to attract potential business partners. as they say, you loose some, you gain some hehehe

Personally, car to me is a dead investment also. esp now that you have to keep up with sooo many payments Kaya minsan, I'd rather have a robust reliable pickup than a car or fancy SUV because I feel it would be more practical esp in our roads. Kahit shoot sa lubak, I would not feel bad. Its ok if it looks dirty I would not frown if I encounter some light floods or slight dirt and mud. Unlike when I had a car and an SUV now, nanghihinayang ako ilabas pag umuulan... or if I do not know anything about the condition of the road I'm going to I would not use it or if there are messy passengers tagging along hehe but then again, this is me... kanya kanyang priorities at hilig lang sa buhay. some have the money and some are really into cars so they invest more on cars, others into shoes or whatever hehe

back to hyundai or toyota... well, hyundai is really coming along great. their approach to our auto scene with crdi engine options and attractive packaging/pricing is really great. esp with the sta fe - it amazes me that it has a self leveling suspension. cool!

but then again toyota has good historical background and track record. they have a product and option for every user at different price levels, and it comes with a proven winning record in reliability(although not lately with the d4d ) which I think is ok. I mean paying for the services of an experienced lawyer with a proven track record of winning criminal cases is not cheap right? we are actually paying an additional fee for a unique skill that others do not posses. yun lang if ever there is a slight hiccup, it will be doubly hard to ask for a high sticker price. its reminds me of the phrase "Whats in a name?" - ALOT in my opinion hehe. And I think this is why toyota(as a brand or name or image) would be preferred by some people compared to other brands. it has tied up a winning record reliabilty to its name over so many years that people have gotten so used to it, have literally grown up with it(my dad used a corolla as a family car), and are so familiar with it(we hear it from everyone).... everytime someone says toyota - bang! reliability...

[OTEP]

I guess that's the reason why my dad's friend has a Fortuner (pang-porma, flash car) and a Sorento (daily driver).

Btw, he got the Sorento after the got the Fortuner. Couldn't stand the ride comfort and reliability issues of the Toyota.

[precor_88]

Take for example a 2004 camry which was priced at 1.450Mn....now, the going price is around 900k... thats around 40% loss in 2 yrs....so where is the resale value that Toyota guys are talking about????

Compared to a Ford F150 I posted recently,ok na yun price compared to the resale of Ford, which is more than 50% loss in 2 yrs...Because of the resale value issue, I texted the one who bought my revo who is into buy and sell, And I asked him thru tex, "What is good in the long run if your talking of resale value, Fortuner or Sta Fe?" and I he texted back, Quoting him--"Fortuner!" and I asked again,"Ang ganda ng Sta Fe di ba? havent you seen?" And replied,"Pag korean , mababa ang resale value, Toyota na lang kunin mo.." But for me, This is just an opinion of one person who is into buy and sell, so the opinion of one is not the opinion of all, so I will asked around more who is into buy and sell, cguro around 5-10, tapos lets see..

Don't get me wrong, but I don't have a fortuner or a sta fe yet, I am here to really validate my choice in the future. Every vehicle for me, has its pros and cons, which is actually good, kasi personal preference still is the best choice..I am not here to put down the sta fe, in fact, mas maganda siya sa fortuner and hands down rin ako. Sa forum kasi ng fortuner, Talagang na i-scrutinized ng mga members dun ang good and bad points ng fortuner, from the engine to the wiper noise, which is very helpful for future buyers.. As of now, I havent seen any cons of the sta fe, which is either scary or just great..Is their a sta fe forum available, at pwede ba ako sumali dun? I hope meron din bad points ma raised dun kasi it doesnt mean na pag may palpak, hindi ka na bibili..And I heard from someone if you are selling your car, will you reveal all the problems your car has?

Just a thought sa mga may sta fe or fortuner na rin, hypothetically, if the sta fe has the same engine problems like the fortuner, will you still buy it??

Peace to all!!:freedom:

[number001]

^part of the reason, why we dont hear much feedbacks (good or bad) about Sta Fe. is bec. not a lot of people are really trampling over each others to get the Sta Fe (compared to the year long waiting with the Fortuner).

[Horsepower]

Compared to a Ford F150 I posted recently,ok na yun price compared to the resale of Ford, which is more than 50% loss in 2 yrs...Because of the resale value issue, I texted the one who bought my revo who is into buy and sell, And I asked him thru tex, "What is good in the long run if your talking of resale value, Fortuner or Sta Fe?" and I he texted back, Quoting him--"Fortuner!" and I asked again,"Ang ganda ng Sta Fe di ba? havent you seen?" And replied,"Pag korean , mababa ang resale value, Toyota na lang kunin mo.." But for me, This is just an opinion of one person who is into buy and sell, so the opinion of one is not the opinion of all, so I will asked around more who is into buy and sell, cguro around 5-10, tapos lets see..

It goes without saying, that man will say it's Toyota Fortuner. Of course, he's into buy and sell. Sure, the Fortuner will have a better resale value (let's assume that), but the discomfort and hassle of having one of the lemons is just not worth the few thousands difference.

Because of SantaFe's ease of use and more than satisfactory performance, it's not hard to keep it for at least 10years. Just think of Starex.

I'm not into buy and sell of cars so i don't care about resale that much. I'm more concerned how it fares while it's in my possession.

Don't get me wrong, but I don't have a fortuner or a sta fe yet, I am here to really validate my choice in the future. Every vehicle for me, has its pros and cons, which is actually good, kasi personal preference still is the best choice..I am not here to put down the sta fe, in fact, mas maganda siya sa fortuner and hands down rin ako. Sa forum kasi ng fortuner, Talagang na i-scrutinized ng mga members dun ang good and bad points ng fortuner, from the engine to the wiper noise, which is very helpful for future buyers.. As of now, I havent seen any cons of the sta fe, which is either scary or just great..Is their a sta fe forum available, at pwede ba ako sumali dun? I hope meron din bad points ma raised dun kasi it doesnt mean na pag may palpak, hindi ka na bibili..And I heard from someone if you are selling your car, will you reveal all the problems your car has?

No one is getting you wrong. Since you don't have either, try to test drive both and see.

If I notice anything bad about SantaFe, i'd post it here and let you know.
So far, if there's any con, it'll be:

1. The mags are just 17". They should have sold these with 19 inchers.

2. Only the driver side has an airbag (which honestly i don't like since it might blow off to my face if i press the horn too hard). But some people like lots of airbags.

3. It's hard to replace the horns, you need to remove the freakin front bumper just to do that.

4. No sunroof option!

5. The CRDi 4x4 is not yet here.

Just a thought sa mga may sta fe or fortuner na rin, hypothetically, if the sta fe has the same engine problems like the fortuner, will you still buy it??

Peace to all!!:freedom:

I think it would be utterly stupid to buy something which you already know is problematic.

That's where diligent survey and research work comes in to be able to come up with an intelligent decision. (intelligence is relative)


At the end of the day, these two vehicles are really different and thus, we are comparing apples to oranges.

SantaFe is a crossover SUV. Its primary design goal is performance, creature comfort and value for money (being a US Model Korean car) to oppose other crossover SUVs like RAV4, Murano etc.

Fortuner is a truck based SUV. Designed for off-roading. Its design goal is to give Asia a good sized, value for money SUV.

Just pick which suits your needs and enjoy the vehicles you've chosen!

PS:
For me, i think mas tugma i-compare ang Fortuner V and Sorento 4x4 CRDi Turbo

[precor_88]

Because of SantaFe's ease of use and more than satisfactory performance, it's not hard to keep it for at least 10years. Just think of Starex.

What Year/model of Starex are you talking about?? If the Starex na una pumasok sa shores ng pinas, I dont think you can keep for 10 yrs, Marami yata ang nagreklamo sa starex na yun if I remeber, mausok, underpowered,overheating and lahat na yata ng palpak,You should know at panay underground ang unang mga starex sa pinas at wala pang hyundai dealers available..Either sa cats mo pagawa or somewhere else..Pero kung CRDI engine na, maybe nag improved na.

I think it would be utterly stupid to buy something which you already know is problematic.

That's where diligent survey and research work comes in to be able to come up with an intelligent decision. (intelligence is relative)

I think this is kinda unfair and strong statement, It doesnt mean that eventhough you know there is a problem and still buy it, you will be stupid,as I said it still is a personal choice..It is just like everyone knows that a ford expedition is a gasaholic vehicle and nowadays gas consumption is important(w/c I consider a problematic issue to your wallet), but some still prefers to buy it because of porma/prestige..
And in the other threads I read, If you have to do it again w/ the D4D engine woes, will you still buy the fortuner? suprisingly, many of them still said yes..Just dont post this reply to that thread...

PS:
For me, i think mas tugma i-compare ang Fortuner V and Sorento 4x4 CRDi Turbo

So dapat pala palitan na ang title ng thread na to..

[OTEP]

Ito naman po ay sa akin lamang:

It is just like everyone knows that a ford expedition is a gasaholic vehicle and nowadays gas consumption is important

Fuel economy is relative. For some people, the fuel economy of the Ford Expedition is within their budget. Engine stalling is not relative. I've yet to hear of anyone singing praises because their vehicle bogged down in the middle of nowhere. Dismal fuel economy is not a malfunction unless one's Kia Picanto is gulping fuel down like an Expedition. Whatever penalty at the pump you pay with the Expedition, it more than makes up for it in refinement, sheer power, and load carrying capacity.

I think it would be utterly stupid to buy something which you already know is problematic.

My exact words to my pal who doesn't know anything about cars but is so trigger happy to get a Fortuner. After the D4d fiasco, my dad pulled out of the que. He will be getting a 4 year old used vehicle from another brand. At least if the used car stalls he won't feel as bad and he can have it repaired anywhere without getting the dealer 'dirty diesel' runaround. My pal, however, is willing to gamble just to have the 'prestige' of having one of the the few Fortuners in their small village. Oh well, whatever floats his boat. Kaso kapag nagloko ako naman ang tatawagin. hehehe.



Sorento and Fortuner both have truck roots. But buyers rarely look underneath these things before signing on the dotted line. Hence, the Fortuner tends to be compared to the Sta. Fe as they both have seven seats and dual a/c.

[precor_88]

Because of SantaFe's ease of use and more than satisfactory performance, it's not hard to keep it for at least 10years. Just think of Starex.

Hi Just pickup from another thread regarding the Starex!!

Sori I dont know how to cut it from the other thread and paste it here,kaya May link na lang, If someone will help me, I will post this properly.. It is a story of kokey servicing his starex, I guess crdi starex are not immuned after all from the lemon car syndrome..

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...615#post628615

[OTEP]

The fault is not related to the CRDi system in any way and has not impaired the functionality of his unit. The clutch goes soft but still fully engages. And I think this has more to do with the dealer's failure to rectify the error though they have acknowledged it already. Fortunately he is free to try any dealer he pleases to correct the problem. Personally, I'll just have my mechanic rectify such problems (the dealer won't find out anyway) but kokey wants to stay with the dealer on this one since he is still covered by the 3 year warranty.

I've had snapped clutch cables on the '97 MB100. It was pretty easy to rectify also. Rectifying the D4d problem seems easy. But it is expensive and Toyota is not willing to foot the bill for it's clients and I do not want to be the one begging on my hands and knees for Toyota to fix my vehicle.

[mikejohnny]

maski alin sa fortuner of sta.fe parehong panalo ka. kung ung boxtype namin na '86 GSR model which is lumang technology hangang ngayon tumatakbo pa (me mga repair na rin of course) heto pa kayang dalawang bago. kahit walang safety feature, power window at steering ung boxtype namin eh naipa-pang ihataw pa sa NLEX up to 160k/ph. nasa nagda-drive na lang kung gaano ka kaingat, alangan naman ibanga mo sarili mo. hehehe

kung me pera ako nung bago labas ang fort. of course un ang bibilhin ko kasi un ang maganda sa mata ng bayan.

pero ngayong lumabas na sta.fe parang mas type ko na, maybe next year makapaglabas na rin.

one more thing, hindi agad ako na-impress sa fort. nung first time ko sya nakita sa casa, nung tumagal na lang at dumami na sa kalsada saka ko lang napansin na maganda pala ang tindig. unlike sa sta.fe, the first time na nakita ko sa casa iba talaga ang dating parang you want to own it right away.

[OTEP]

Inuwi ko na nga sa bahay yung media unit ng Fortuner pero vs 4 year old SUV, the 4 year old SUV still won which is the reason why the vehicle in my sig is now for sale. Nakapag-desisyon na. hehehe.

[Horsepower]

hmmm is that a Range Rover sir Otep? hehe