Toyota Fortuner 2.4 4x2 V vs Mitsubishi Montero 2.4 GLS Premium 4x2

[jut703]

The Montero with the rear spoiler and opaque tail lamp cover is actually much easier on the eyes compared to the stock GLS with the teardrop tail lamps and no spoiler.

I noticed though that people are hating so much on the Fortuner's ride. I drove the new one back to back with the latest facelift of the old one. Their ride is pretty similar. Pretty close to the current Everest too. The MUX rides softer (with much more noticable nose dive). The Montero has the most balanced ride.

However, the difference between the Montero vs Fortuner (best vs worst in class) is still much much smaller than the difference between any PPV and any CUV. All CUVs handle better through corners with less jittery rides on paved roads.

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[Walter]

^^^ So the new PPVs are still not up to par with CUVs when it comes to ride comfort and handling?

[jut703]

^^^ So the new PPVs are still not up to par with CUVs when it comes to ride comfort and handling?

Yes. In my experience, quite a long way to go. The CX5 actually handles better than some sedans, and the Forester takes corners very well despite being as spacious as PPVs inside.

It's quite hard to defy physics - PPVs have higher centers of gravity so they really have more inherent body roll. To avoid body roll and to fulfill heavy workloads, they have stiffer suspensions, leading to poorer ride quality over paved roads.

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[Egan101]

I think the difference in ride and handling of the CUVs against the PPVs is more a result of the platform upon which these vehicles are based upon. CUVs are based on car platforms while PPVs are based off pickups (unibody vs ladder-frame). We all know how different a car rides versus a pickup. Unless PPV manufacturers come up with a design similar to the unibody pickup platform of the Honda Ridgeline, these vehicles will keep its characteristic "tagtag" ride.

If ride and handling is a key requirement, you are better off with a CUV instead of a PPV. While most CUVs may not be as nimble as compact cars or as comfortable as midsize cars but it's a good balance in usable space and ride comfort plus good ground clearance. You can have lots of fun too if you're CUV is packed with a powerful turbo engine and lots of natural grip.

[Egan101]

I think the difference in ride and handling of the CUVs against the PPVs is more a result of the platform upon which these vehicles are based upon. CUVs are based on car platforms while PPVs are based off pickups (unibody vs ladder-frame). We all know how different a car rides versus a pickup. Unless PPV manufacturers come up with a design similar to the unibody pickup platform of the Honda Ridgeline, these vehicles will keep its characteristic "tagtag" ride.

If ride and handling is a key requirement, you are better off with a CUV instead of a PPV. While most CUVs may not be as nimble as compact cars or as comfortable as midsize cars but it's a good balance in usable space and ride comfort plus good ground clearance. You can have lots of fun too if a CUV is packed with a powerful turbo engine and lots of natural grip.

[CruzeR911]

If you want a good ride quality, you should not look for PPVs. Take a sedan or s good CUV.


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[vinj]

If you want a good ride quality, you should not look for PPVs. Take a sedan or s good CUV.


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I agree here. If comfort is the primary concern then one really has to start with the proper platform. A ladder frame chassis, or one designed to economically transcend several models/types can only go so far (that's why the premium SUVs such as the LC200 already did away with the truck platform if I recall correctly).

Interestingly (this is just a personal observation, nothing else), I usually only get to read about people complaining on the Fortuner ride being bad. Those i know who own and use one never really made a big issue about it then went on to buy a new unit when theirs reached several years of age; they can comment that another model/competitor may ride better but it never reaches the point that they prematurely sell the car and change because they cannot stand the ride.

What did the TS decide on?

[Walter]

I usually only get to read about people complaining on the Fortuner ride being bad. Those i know who own and use one never really made a big issue about it then went on to buy a new unit when theirs reached several years of age; they can comment that another model/competitor may ride better but it never reaches the point that they prematurely sell the car and change because they cannot stand the ride.

Maybe that's because they didn't compare the drive / ride with the competitor ... Neighbor has both the Toyota Fortuner and the Mitsubishi Montero Sport ... and he complained about the stiff ride of the Toyota Fortuner ... even then, he uses the Toyota Fortuner to go to work ... go figure ...

Got to ride in the Toyota Fortuner, ride isn't that bad in the city ...

[Janemar]

Maybe that's because they didn't compare the drive / ride with the competitor ... Neighbor has both the Toyota Fortuner and the Mitsubishi Montero Sport ... and he complained about the stiff ride of the Toyota Fortuner ... even then, he uses the Toyota Fortuner to go to work ... go figure ...

Got to ride in the Toyota Fortuner, ride isn't that bad in the city ...

It's hard to sell a used car. Depreciation. Would accept a 100k loss just to switch brand due to bumpy ride? Thats why you need to do your homework before spending 1.×× million in a car. Libre lang test drive.

[CruzeR911]

We own a older model hilux which is ladder frame is based on. It's not as refined as our sedan but it's reliable even if it's old (9yrs). Now we bought the fortuner and the ride quality is improved. It's just me but here, Toyota's have the cheapest maintenance and very good after service and reliablity. I'll exchange that to ride quality.


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[vin23]

If I were in your position, I'd get a Forester XT.

[Egan101]

If I were in your position, I'd get a Forester XT.

Once you have given it a test drive, you know you'll want to bring it home.

[Calistro]

In our case, we get nauseous with the previous gen Montero's ride. My brother in law already swapped his suspension to aftermarket ones for his wife and 1 yr old baby. Previous gen Fort was jarring but I found it acceptable.

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[jut703]

In our case, we get nauseous with the previous gen Montero's ride. My brother in law already swapped his suspension to aftermarket ones for his wife and 1 yr old baby. Previous gen Fort was jarring but I found it acceptable.

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I also prefer the prev gen Fortuner's stiffer ride compared to the prev gen Montero's floaty ride. The Montero nose dives very heavily under braking, with lots of body roll even with slight turns.

On the topic of ride quality, I think vinj nailed it with choosing the right platform. People don't want matagtag but get pickup-based SUVs???? WTF.

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[kagalingan]

People don't want matagtag but get pickup-based SUVs???? WTF.

Nasanay kasi pinoy gusto na malaki sasakyan na mumurahin.

Kaya magkotse na lang kasi kayo kung maselan sa tagtag. Yun nga lang maliit ang sedan/hatch pag ikumpara sa suv. Price range ngayon mga kotse-kotsehan magaganda around 800thou to 1.2million

Kung may kwarta naman go for explorer or fj yan ang tunay na family suv not cheapy cheapy.

[StockEngine]

Nasanay kasi pinoy gusto na malaki sasakyan na mumurahin.

Kaya magkotse na lang kasi kayo kung maselan sa tagtag. Yun nga lang maliit ang sedan/hatch pag ikumpara sa suv. Price range ngayon mga kotse-kotsehan magaganda around 800thou to 1.2million

Kung may kwarta naman go for explorer or fj yan ang tunay na family suv not cheapy cheapy.

We will still buy these suvs... cant stop the buyers...

[Calistro]

Nasanay kasi pinoy gusto na malaki sasakyan na mumurahin.

Kaya magkotse na lang kasi kayo kung maselan sa tagtag. Yun nga lang maliit ang sedan/hatch pag ikumpara sa suv. Price range ngayon mga kotse-kotsehan magaganda around 800thou to 1.2million

Kung may kwarta naman go for explorer or fj yan ang tunay na family suv not cheapy cheapy.

Kung madalas naman nasa probinsya, okay na rin amg PPVs. Sagasaan mo lahat ng lubak, dire diretso ka lang heheh.

Mukhang di nagkakalayo priority sa pagbili ang dating ng kotse sa ride comfort. Wala talaga gusto ng innova hehe

[Janemar]

Kung madalas naman nasa probinsya, okay na rin amg PPVs. Sagasaan mo lahat ng lubak, dire diretso ka lang heheh.

Mukhang di nagkakalayo priority sa pagbili ang dating ng kotse sa ride comfort. Wala talaga gusto ng innova hehe

This is a reflection of the kinds of road we have here in PH.

Lubak, manhole na walang takip, 2x4 na kahoy or niyog na randomly naiwan sa gitna ng kalsada, humps na pang truck ang sukat at wala marker + naka dark tints ka pa sa gabi, yearly road constructions, rough road sa probinsya, mataas na sidewalk(para makaakyatvat gawing parking lot) and baha pag biglang umulan ng malakas coming from nowhere... Safest choice is PPV.

Nakakasawa na kasi ang yearly pag palit ng tagas na shocks, kalog na tie-rod/ball joint at punit na engine support at suspension bushings...

[makelovenotwar]

On the topic of ride quality, I think vinj nailed it with choosing the right platform. People don't want matagtag but get pickup-based SUVs???? WTF.
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I think it's about having the least tagtag among the choices.

You need (for whatever reason) an SUV but you want the most comfortable one.
It's like you're hungry and you have chips in front of you. So you end up choosing the one with the least sodium and calories.

[jut703]

I think it's about having the least tagtag among the choices.

You need (for whatever reason) an SUV but you want the most comfortable one.
It's like you're hungry and you have chips in front of you. So you end up choosing the one with the least sodium and calories.

Yeah I agree, it's perfectly understandable to consider comfort when deciding.

But following your example, it's a given that no brand of chips can even come close to the healthiness of fruits. It's about knowing the limitations of the platform.

And if comfort is such an important priority that the relatively minor difference between a soft-riding MUX and a stiff Fortuner matters so much then the buyer might want to reconsider the whole PPV route altogether.

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