Toyota Alis Hybrid or Camry 2.5G

[Egan101]

The new Altis looks just a bit bigger than the current Vios unlike the previous gen Altis which looked like a big compact car.

We have two compact cars - Jetta and Civic. The Jetta feels more comfortable inside. When we were checking out the previous gen Altis before, it was just like the Jetta inside. Even the exteriors, it kind of looks like the Jetta.


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[Wave24/7]

Qiute a broad question.. But simply, it’s all about “what are you looking for for your set budget.”

[JohnM]

So did Toyota "reset" the Corolla's size again? We had an AE101 "big body" and an AE111 "love life" and the newer model is noticeably smaller than the older one.

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[dr. d]

So did Toyota "reset" the Corolla's size again? We had an AE101 "big body" and an AE111 "love life" and the newer model is noticeably smaller than the older one.

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it would appear so, at least for the interior.
why toyota is doing this, i do not know.

[Egan101]

Last February in BGC, I thought I was in front of a Vios. Di pala, bagong Altis. No bells and whistles whatsoever.

The new Camry though is different. It is prettier than the previous generation. My wife’s boss drives one. Still not as pretty though as the Mazda6.


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[JohnM]

it would appear so, at least for the interior.
why toyota is doing this, i do not know.

Cars are getting bigger every generation. But if the external dimensions for the new one are similar or bigger than the previous then someone made a form over function decision.

Last February in BGC, I thought I was in front of a Vios. Di pala, bagong Altis. No bells and whistles whatsoever.

The new Camry though is different. It is prettier than the previous generation. My wife’s boss drives one. Still not as pretty though as the Mazda6.

I like the new Camry's butt. Doesn't look like a Toyota.

IIRC Toyota PH released the new corporate face with the Vios first. The Camry and Toyota came much later. Nakatatak na tuloy sa utak that when I see that face I think "parang malaking Vios".

[dr. d]

Cars are getting bigger every generation. But if the external dimensions for the new one are similar or bigger than the previous then someone made a form over function decision.


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the new one is longer by 10 mm, wider by 4 mm, and its roof is lower by 25 mm.
i suppose, that means, it got fatter but shorter.

[ice15]

Cars are getting bigger every generation. But if the external dimensions for the new one are similar or bigger than the previous then someone made a form over function decision.

I personally hate the "next generation is bigger cycle"...

Dati (90s) Corolla and smallest Toyota sa line-up nila.

Tapos lumaki sya and lumabas yung Vios...

Ngayon pati Vios malaki na... May Wigo na.

On the 3rd Gen of the Wigo, ano kaya smaller car na ilalabas ng Toyota.

(same thing for Honda)

[babkalakal]

personally I am having a hard time reconciling the altis hybrid.

if you want outright luxury then the camry it is.
There is a 380t pesos difference between an altis 1.6v and 1.8 hybrid.Buys an awflul lot of unleaded. Its hard for me to think that total ownership cost will be lower for the hybrid than the 1.6 long or short term.

The 1.6v is not a stripper model but the only thing I think that is going the hybrid's way are a few features and potentially better performance which again is probably bettered by the camry anyway.

[dr. d]

personally I am having a hard time reconciling the altis hybrid.

if you want outright luxury then the camry it is.
There is a 380t pesos difference between an altis 1.6v and 1.8 hybrid.Buys an awflul lot of unleaded. Its hard for me to think that total ownership cost will be lower for the hybrid than the 1.6 long or short term.

The 1.6v is not a stripper model but the only thing I think that is going the hybrid's way are a few features and potentially better performance which again is probably bettered by the camry anyway.

i think the original TS (si chief) is just enamored (enchanted?) with the thought of driving around in a hybrid car.
i do not think money is his issue.
heh heh.

TS!
hybrid ka nah!
then tell us about it here.

at any rate,
i made some very rough personal computations, using my personal mileages.
hybrid versus regular 1.6 engine.
fuel expense-wise,
the hybrid will save me 27,000 pesos a year.
in 5 years, it will have saved me 135,000 pesos.
in 10 years, 270,000 pesos.
kulang pa sa initial price difference between the hybrid and the regular 1.6 .
but the thought that i am driving a hybrid... priceless?

[jut703]

For me pinakapoging midsizer ngayon is the Camry. Looks really nice. Interior, Accord is better pero medyo awkward looks and mahal. You can always upgrade the Camry's hideous head unit

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[Egan101]

If fuel efficiency is a big concern for a daily driver, then go with a smaller car with a smaller engine. A City or Vios is half the price of a Camry but with an interior space nearly like a new Altis plus it can go where any Altis or Camry can go.

If you’re spending nearly 2M for a car, why be concerned about fuel efficiency? You might as well splurge a bit and enjoy the better and more comfortable ride of a Camry over an Altis. I would have understood if it was an all-electric car like a Tesla.


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[Egan101]

I would understand if we get tax breaks for using hybrids but in our country, it’s like a fairy tale thinking a small number of not so affordable hybrid cars will make a difference. Knowing that most of available public transport uses old technology diesel engines and most of those who can afford personal vehicles will opt for a diesel as it is cheaper than gasoline, these seriously impacts more the amount of air pollution.

A hybrid car is more like a novelty of sorts locally or maybe even an exclusivity. However, a car is part of the image for most Pinoys. A big car or an SUV gets more nod than a compact car whatever engine it has as most have no clue about engines whatsoever.


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[dr. d]

if our government would give tax breaks to "motor vehicles that effectively produce less pollutiion"...
if government were to tax more heavily, pollution-producers (i.e., diesels)...

if they priced the altis hybrid the same as that of the traditional equivalent, i'd order one tomorrow.
"EP 7 or 8, please".

heh heh.

[bxr monkey]

Normally nga ang fuel saver na daily driver ay Vios or City.

Though malabo maabot nila ang fuel figures mentioned dito sa low speed city driving:

(Search car guide dot ph Altis Hybrid review)
Fuel Economy (Ave. Speed)
21.73 km/L (14 km/h)
20.833 km/L (20 km/h)

Sa alam ko may tax discount ngayon sa hybrid cars. Ang price difference na mentioned mula sa 1.6V ay dahil sa hybrid at added safety, hindi sure sa interior kung may nabago.