Suzuki Ertiga 1.4 GLX AT vs Toyota Innova J 2.5 Diesel MT

[dr. d]

May nag sasabi na pag nasiraan ka ng diesel e mahal ang gastos. Unlike gas.

that is probably true. diesel engines are built more robustly than gas engines, and spare parts are probably more expensive because they are built more robustly.
but the question is, "just how often does the diesel engine break down?" after all, they are built more robustly...
well, mine have never broken down, after 4, 8, 10 years of regular everyday use.. that's over 100,000 km in one vehicle... and i have never changed a single part all that time.. just keep the air filter clean, replace fuel filter as scheduled, and change oil every 5000 km.

[b_9904]

that is probably true. diesel engines are built more robustly than gas engines, and spare parts are probably more expensive because they are built more robustly.
but the question is, "just how often does the diesel engine break down?" after all, they are built more robustly...
well, mine have never broken down, after 4, 8, 10 years of regular everyday use.. that's over 100,000 km in one vehicle... and i have never changed a single part all that time.. just keep the air filter clean, replace fuel filter as scheduled, and change oil every 5000 km.

My 92' L300 never had an engine part break, that is for over 250,000+ KM.

I replaced the typical consumables but that is it.

Oh, I also replaced the radiator last year.

So if you can afford the Innova then go for it. In my case, I cannot afford the Innova (at the time of purchase), my wife refuses to ride the L300, AND the public transport fare (ALONE) far outweighs the cost of owning a petrol driven car.

[dishcom]

Tanong ko diyan. Bakit nag rerelease parin ng gasoline ang mga car manufacturer kung talaga na develop na nila ng maayos ang diesel engine.. bakit most taxi vios parin na may option naman sila mag access diesel..

[g.b.b]

Tanong ko diyan. Bakit nag rerelease parin ng gasoline ang mga car manufacturer kung talaga na develop na nila ng maayos ang diesel engine.. bakit most taxi vios parin na may option naman sila mag access diesel..

Magagalit oil companies hehe.

[b_9904]

Tanong ko diyan. Bakit nag rerelease parin ng gasoline ang mga car manufacturer kung talaga na develop na nila ng maayos ang diesel engine.. bakit most taxi vios parin na may option naman sila mag access diesel..

Iilan lang naman din kasi ang options mo for diesel sedans eh. If mas madaming options mas malaki ang chance na dadami din ang taxi na diesel.

[dishcom]

Iilan lang naman din kasi ang options mo for diesel sedans eh. If mas madaming options mas malaki ang chance na dadami din ang taxi na diesel.

Pero sa ibang bansa nag lalabas ng diesel at lpg na small kotse. Pero sa pinas na papako lang sa gasoline. Posible din kaya na goverment natin ang pumipigil sa pag pasok ng diesel car..

[b_9904]

Pero sa ibang bansa nag lalabas ng diesel at lpg na small kotse. Pero sa pinas na papako lang sa gasoline. Posible din kaya na goverment natin ang pumipigil sa pag pasok ng diesel car..

Hindi, pwedeng market forces din.

Hindi talaga natin alam kung bakit eh. Totoo lang.

[KenGarcia]

Tanong ko diyan. Bakit nag rerelease parin ng gasoline ang mga car manufacturer kung talaga na develop na nila ng maayos ang diesel engine.. bakit most taxi vios parin na may option naman sila mag access diesel..

My wild guess is that gasoline engines are cheaper to manufacture. Wonder why the cheapest brand new cars (Eon, Wigo and the likes) only have gasoline engines? 2.7 Gas Fortuner is cheaper than 2.5 DSL Fortuner, same with 2.0 Gas Innova compared to 2.5 DSL Innova?

[dishcom]

My wild guess is that gasoline engines are cheaper to manufacture. Wonder why the cheapest brand new cars (Eon, Wigo and the likes) only have gasoline engines? 2.7 Gas Fortuner is cheaper than 2.5 DSL Fortuner, same with 2.0 Gas Innova compared to 2.5 DSL Innova?

Pwede yun sir. Mas murang e manufacture ang gas engine than diesel.. pero posible na kaya mahal ang diesel e dahil mas mahal ang nagastos nila for research how to use diesel more fuel save than before...

[KenGarcia]

Pwede yun sir. Mas murang e manufacture ang gas engine than diesel.. pero posible na kaya mahal ang diesel e dahil mas mahal ang nagastos nila for research how to use diesel more fuel save than before...

And according to what I read online,

"A diesel engine, fully optimized, has about 0.6 times the power to weight ratio as a four stroke gas engine."

Maybe this is the reason why small cars have gasoline engine. Bukod sa mas mura, mas magaan din kasi.

[dr. d]

i have seen some of these made-in-india cars.. (is the ertiga made in india?)
compared to japanese cars (toyota), they seem to lack... "finesse".. medyo magaspang ang ilang detalye.
i once saw a tata on the road.. brand new.. yet, medyo naka-angat nang kaunti ang bandang ibaba ng pinto.

[dr. d]

My wild guess is that gasoline engines are cheaper to manufacture. Wonder why the cheapest brand new cars (Eon, Wigo and the likes) only have gasoline engines? 2.7 Gas Fortuner is cheaper than 2.5 DSL Fortuner, same with 2.0 Gas Innova compared to 2.5 DSL Innova?

i agree.
it is also my wild guess, that gas engines are subject to less stress than diesel engines, and are therefore, cheaper to manufacture.
also, i believe that the low pump price of diesel fuel in this country, is more a product of politics than commerce or industry.
third, i think that gas engines spew out less pollution than diesel engines.

[JohnM]

i agree.
it is also my wild guess, that gas engines are subject to less stress than diesel engines, and are therefore, cheaper to manufacture.

Agree. Diesel engines are high compression. They don't have a spark plug and they simply compress the fuel oil mixture until it explodes. Diesel engine blocks have to be strong to take this stress.

Most modern diesels have turbos and intercoolers which add to the cost. CRDIs run at very high fuel rail pressures which requires more expensive injectors and pumps.

[dishcom]

Agree. Diesel engines are high compression. They don't have a spark plug and they simply compress the fuel oil mixture until it explodes. Diesel engine blocks have to be strong to take this stress.

Most modern diesels have turbos and intercoolers which add to the cost. CRDIs run at very high fuel rail pressures which requires more expensive injectors and pumps.

Parang lumabas po ba na kaya mahal ang diesel engine dahil mas mahirap ang system ng diesel than gas. Dapat maging mas siksik at matibay pagka bakal ng diesel engine than gasoline para ma handle niya ang stress ng system ng diesel..

[Flipo]

Tanong ko diyan. Bakit nag rerelease parin ng gasoline ang mga car manufacturer kung talaga na develop na nila ng maayos ang diesel engine.. bakit most taxi vios parin na may option naman sila mag access diesel..

Nung una maraming kumuha ng Accent Diesel for Taxi, but now most new Taxi's now are back to Vios.

Nakausap ko yung taxi na diesel accent nasakyan ko at tinanong ko ano ang madalas masira, ang sabi nya ay turbo, at ang mahal nito kaya yung owner balik sa Vios.

Ang diesel kasi ay may cooldown time pa kung galing sa long drive, and I doubt kung nagagawa ito ng mga taxi driver, unless you are the personal owner.

Mas nagmamahal ang diesel engine maintenance kaysa gasoline engine kung di knowledgeable o walang paki ang driver.

[ronaldmb7]

Eto mga concerns and sagot ko kung bakit tinitingnan ko pa ang innova:
1. I wanna try a diesel engine. Ang mura kasi ng diesel. -fuel efficient daw ang ertiga (except of course sa traffic, lahat ng oto magsasayang ng gas/diesel kapag traffic). 200k din price difference ng ertiga GL vs innova j diesel
2. Nasanay ako magdrive sa mataas na sasakyan (toyota revo). -lahat naman napag-aaralan at nakakasanayan
3. Kayang kaya sirang daanan like papuntang Baler -nasa driving skill din naman to hehe
4. Dumihin loob ng ertiga -pwede yatang pacustomize para black na yung interior kaya lang another gastos pa
5. Parts availability and reliability ng innova -share naman daw parts ng ertiga sa APV and swift, e madami naman nang ganun sa pinas. Sana hindi makalampag ertiga after a couple of years

At ayun nga, kaya ng budget ang ertiga w/o compromising our wants. I think eto ang most impt 😀

Next time na lang si innova diesel hehe! Salamat sa thread na to and ertiga thread 100% decided ertiga na kukunin namin..

[mr rad]

Eto mga concerns and sagot ko kung bakit tinitingnan ko pa ang innova:
1. I wanna try a diesel engine. Ang mura kasi ng diesel. -fuel efficient daw ang ertiga (except of course sa traffic, lahat ng oto magsasayang ng gas/diesel kapag traffic). 200k din price difference ng ertiga GL vs innova j diesel
2. Nasanay ako magdrive sa mataas na sasakyan (toyota revo). -lahat naman napag-aaralan at nakakasanayan
3. Kayang kaya sirang daanan like papuntang Baler -nasa driving skill din naman to hehe
4. Dumihin loob ng ertiga -pwede yatang pacustomize para black na yung interior kaya lang another gastos pa
5. Parts availability and reliability ng innova -share naman daw parts ng ertiga sa APV and swift, e madami naman nang ganun sa pinas. Sana hindi makalampag ertiga after a couple of years

At ayun nga, kaya ng budget ang ertiga w/o compromising our wants. I think eto ang most impt 😀

Next time na lang si innova diesel hehe! Salamat sa thread na to and ertiga thread 100% decided ertiga na kukunin namin..

Uy congrats sir. Buti ka pa nakapagdecide na. I'm still waiting for the new Innova. Feedback naman sa Ertiga pag nakuha mo na. hehehe.

[rey752]

Congratulations to your new Ertiga.Ertiga and Swift po ang share kase Ertiga is the stretched version of Swift.same k14b engine.

[ronaldmb7]

Congratulations to your new Ertiga.Ertiga and Swift po ang share kase Ertiga is the stretched version of Swift.same k14b engine.

Thanks sir! nag-aantay pa sir ng bank approval. hehe!

[b_9904]

Congratulations to your new Ertiga.Ertiga and Swift po ang share kase Ertiga is the stretched version of Swift.same k14b engine.

Correction, SWIFT 1.4 share the same engine with Ertiga.