Please help me rate: 2012 Kia Picanto 1.2 M/T and the 2012 Hyundai Accent 1.4 M/T

[jut703]

The Vios is 100 kilos lighter than the Rio so I doubt that the 1.2 Rio will feel as zippy around town. Top speed's dependent on aerodynamics as well so we can't really tell if the Rio can match the Vios' top speed.

Still, I'd take the Rio LX over the Vios J any day.

[jut703]

Yeah realistically mga 180-185 siguro yung 1.3 Vios. Not bad at all. 10 years ago, 1.3-liter cars shake, rattle and roll past 160 kph

[zel.chikot]

Yeah realistically mga 180-185 siguro yung 1.3 Vios. Not bad at all. 10 years ago, 1.3-liter cars shake, rattle and roll past 160 kph

Oo tama tong figures na to on a flat surface siguro. Yun 200+ kasi downhill yun at siguro yun wind direction is favorable sa direction nya kaya naabot yun. Pero for a 1.3, not bad talaga hehe. Ang ayaw ko lang sa mga bagong oto ngayon like the vios, eh yun DBW technology nila. Unlike sa cable type na throttle, may lag yun DBW. pag apak mo e hindi mo kaagad mararamdaman, siguro mga .3-.5 seconds na lag bago umangat rpm. Sa cable type kasi walang lag talaga e. Kaya ang hirap mag rev match sa DBW hehe. Di ko lang sure sa ibang DBW na oto ha, eto lang napansin ko sa vios.

[renzo_d10]

^ Sa Optra ganun din.

[jut703]

Ganyan din sa Altis. Whenever I alternate between driving our old L200 and the Altis, yan lang namimiss ko dun sa pick-up, mas direct yung response to throttle input.

Lahat naman halos ng bagong kotse DbW na so you can't really expect the direct feel of the olden days.

[GTi]

And to think that drive by wire technology is supposed to give better throttle response...

[niky]

Actually, if it's programmed for it, it will. On sports cars like the Mazda MX-5, the drive-by-wire throttle provides good response and no "bogging" like you get with cable throttles when you shove your foot to the floor at low rpms.

-

But for regular cars, the DBW is used to meet fuel economy and emissions standards. Suddenly opening the throttle causes transient lean conditions that are bad for NOx emissions. Suddenly closing the throttle causes transient rich conditions that are bad for HC emissions and economy.

[zel.chikot]

Actually, if it's programmed for it, it will. On sports cars like the Mazda MX-5, the drive-by-wire throttle provides good response and no "bogging" like you get with cable throttles when you shove your foot to the floor at low rpms.

-

But for regular cars, the DBW is used to meet fuel economy and emissions standards. Suddenly opening the throttle causes transient lean conditions that are bad for NOx emissions. Suddenly closing the throttle causes transient rich conditions that are bad for HC emissions and economy.

Yes ito nga ang reason kung bakit may delay sa throttle. For fuel economy. Kaya lang nakakamiss yun pag apak mo palang eh instant response agad at pag bitaw mo eh instant baba din ng rpm. Ganun kasi sa hi-ace namin na van, pero pag lipat ko sa vios ang hirap mag rev match. Hehehe. Sa vios kasi, pag apak mo, di agad nagresponse tapos pag bitaw mo accelerator, hindi din kaagad nagreresponse. may delay onti.