Please help me buy my first vehicle

[Gobilamoka]

Honda HRV (1.2M) and BRV (980k). [emoji4]


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Hindi po ba mpv yun brv kasi 7 seater na mahaba-haba? Ground clearance din po ay pretty low?

Hrv naman po sa 1.2m thats 200k more hehe

[eryxon]

Avanza g a/t is 930k din kasi. The E model naman walang ABS po

The only reason naman kasi i chose/considering asx is

Price, after discount its only a little over 1m.
For a subcompact suv, mura na siya, with abs
Hindi mahaba so I dont think first time driver like me ay mahihirapan
And looks, medyo suv-ish na talaga tignan

Other models like the tucson kasi mahal na and mataas daw maintenance

ASX I think is CVT. To me CVT is not yet ready to compete with the conventional Automatic Transmission. Rear wheel drive is still the best.... performance and maintenance wise. Nagsisi narin ako kung bakit ako bumili ng front wheel drive na kotse buti nalang isa lang ang FWD ko at lahat ay rear wheel drive and 4x4 na.

[StockEngine]

210mm or was it 201mm ground clearance. I think thats better than the innova.

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[eryxon]

Diadvantages of Front Wheel Drive-

The center of gravity of the vehicle is typically farther forward than a comparable rear-wheel drive layout. In front wheel drive cars, the front axle typically supports around 2/3rd of the weight of the car (quite far off the "ideal" 50/50 weight distribution). This is a contributing factor in the tendency of front wheel drive cars to understeer.
Torque steer can be a problem on front wheel drive cars with higher torque engines ( > 210 N·m ) and transverse layout. This is the name given to the tendency for some front wheel drive cars to pull to the left or right under hard acceleration. It is a result of the offset between the point about which the wheel steers (which falls at a point which is aligned with the points at which the wheel is connected to the steering mechanisms) and the centroid of its contact patch. The tractive force acts through the centroid of the contact patch, and the offset of the steering point means that a turning moment about the axis of steering is generated. In an ideal situation, the left and right wheels would generate equal and opposite moments, cancelling each other out, however in reality this is less likely to happen. Torque steer is often incorrectly attributed to differing rates of twist along the lengths of unequal front drive shafts. However, Center-point steering geometry can be incorporated in the design to avoid torque steer. This is how the powerful Citroen SM front-wheel drive car avoided the problem.
Lack of weight shifting will limit the acceleration of a front wheel drive vehicle. In a rear wheel drive car the weight shifts back during acceleration giving more traction to the driving wheels. This is the main reason why nearly all racing cars are rear wheel drive. However, since front wheel cars have the weight of the engine over the driving wheels the problem only applies in extreme conditions.
In some towing situations front wheel drive cars can be at a traction disadvantage since there will be less weight on the driving wheels. Because of this, the weight that the vehicle is rated to safely tow is likely to be less than that of a rear wheel drive or four wheel drive vehicle of the same size and power.
Due to geometry and packaging constraints, the CV joints (constant-velocity joints) attached to the wheel hub have a tendency to wear out much earlier than their rear wheel drive counterparts. The significantly shorter drive axles on a front wheel drive car causes the joint to flex through a much wider degree of motion, compounded by additional stress and angles of steering, while the CV joints of a rear wheel drive car regularly see angles and wear of less than half that of front wheel drive vehicles.
The driveshafts may limit the amount by which the front wheels can turn, thus it may increase the turning circle of a front wheel drive car compared to a rear wheel drive one with the same wheelbase.
In low traction conditions (ie: ice or gravel) the front (Drive) Wheels lose traction first making steering ineffective.

[jut703]

ASX I think is CVT. To me CVT is not yet ready to compete with the conventional Automatic Transmission. Rear wheel drive is still the best.... performance and maintenance wise. Nagsisi narin ako kung bakit ako bumili ng front wheel drive na kotse buti nalang isa lang ang FWD ko at lahat ay rear wheel drive and 4x4 na.

Aside from the ASX, an increasing number of cars today come with CVTs:

- Lancer
- Mirage
- Altis
- Vios
- Yaris
- Civic
- City
- HRV
- BRV
- Mobilio
- Sylphy
- X-Trail
- Forester
- XV
- Impreza

None of these cars have known CVT issues. The CVT on the ASX has been around since 2008 (first used on the Lancer), and improved in 2014 coinciding with the ASX's facelift. Again, no issues.

Also, stop with the misinformation regarding RWD vs FWD. A rear-wheel drive Avanza is no match to an ASX when it comes to performance. Maintenance of a FWD is no different from an RWD - Regular PMS, change of fluids, occasional replacement of suspension bits and other things that give out due to wear.


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[WallyWest]

How about Suzuki's SX4? We have a neighbor who's on the morbidly obese side and his sx4 seems to be holding up quite well. Space is apparently not an issue.

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[Calistro]

I'd onlu be concerned with my car being RWD or FWD if it was in my virtual garage in Forza or Gran Turismo XD

^ I was checking the SX4 some months back then but it isn't listed in Carguide ph's list anymore. Got good recommendation on it from my father's friend.

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[Gobilamoka]

How about Suzuki's SX4? We have a neighbor who's on the morbidly obese side and his sx4 seems to be holding up quite well. Space is apparently not an issue.

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Phase out na po ata, and a little to girly for my taste hehe (and di namn po ako morbidly obese, mataba lang hahaha)

[MR_BIG18]

Phase out na po ata, and a little to girly for my taste hehe (and di namn po ako morbidly obese, mataba lang hahaha)

how tall are you?

[XTO]

Daming naka sedan that can reach even Sagada. Wag muna pilitin mag compact SUV. Go for Altis G. Pag aralan mo then after 5 years shoot for an SUV sigurado brusko ka na sa kalye[emoji3]


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[Gobilamoka]

how tall are you?

My height is 5"10

[MR_BIG18]

My height is 5"10

if youre 5 10 and a little bit heavy set i would suggest you do a little bit of test driving, sched one with an agent, then decide, ill remove the vios, city, yaris off the list...

[MR_BIG18]

Daming naka sedan that can reach even Sagada. Wag muna pilitin mag compact SUV. Go for Altis G. Pag aralan mo then after 5 years shoot for an SUV sigurado brusko ka na sa kalye[emoji3]


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agree.....

[WallyWest]

TS doesn't seem to be that big. If he's not obese, then I think those vehicles will be just fine.

I'm 5'10", 190 lbs. and I drive a Mirage hatchback. No complaints whatsoever sa space.

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[MR_BIG18]

TS doesn't seem to be that big. If he's not obese, then I think those vehicles will be just fine.

I'm 5'10", 190 lbs. and I drive a Mirage hatchback. No complaints whatsoever sa space.

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depends kuya, like me, im around 6+, but with long legs and a little bit on the wide side, would you believe the montero feels a little bit cramp for me. test drive nalang just to be on the safe side.

[dr. d]

Diadvantages of Front Wheel Drive-

The center of gravity of the vehicle is typically farther forward than a comparable rear-wheel drive layout. In front wheel drive cars, the front axle typically supports around 2/3rd of the weight of the car (quite far off the "ideal" 50/50 weight distribution). This is a contributing factor in the tendency of front wheel drive cars to understeer.
Torque steer can be a problem on front wheel drive cars with higher torque engines ( > 210 N·m ) and transverse layout. This is the name given to the tendency for some front wheel drive cars to pull to the left or right under hard acceleration. It is a result of the offset between the point about which the wheel steers (which falls at a point which is aligned with the points at which the wheel is connected to the steering mechanisms) and the centroid of its contact patch. The tractive force acts through the centroid of the contact patch, and the offset of the steering point means that a turning moment about the axis of steering is generated. In an ideal situation, the left and right wheels would generate equal and opposite moments, cancelling each other out, however in reality this is less likely to happen. Torque steer is often incorrectly attributed to differing rates of twist along the lengths of unequal front drive shafts. However, Center-point steering geometry can be incorporated in the design to avoid torque steer. This is how the powerful Citroen SM front-wheel drive car avoided the problem.
Lack of weight shifting will limit the acceleration of a front wheel drive vehicle. In a rear wheel drive car the weight shifts back during acceleration giving more traction to the driving wheels. This is the main reason why nearly all racing cars are rear wheel drive. However, since front wheel cars have the weight of the engine over the driving wheels the problem only applies in extreme conditions.
In some towing situations front wheel drive cars can be at a traction disadvantage since there will be less weight on the driving wheels. Because of this, the weight that the vehicle is rated to safely tow is likely to be less than that of a rear wheel drive or four wheel drive vehicle of the same size and power.
Due to geometry and packaging constraints, the CV joints (constant-velocity joints) attached to the wheel hub have a tendency to wear out much earlier than their rear wheel drive counterparts. The significantly shorter drive axles on a front wheel drive car causes the joint to flex through a much wider degree of motion, compounded by additional stress and angles of steering, while the CV joints of a rear wheel drive car regularly see angles and wear of less than half that of front wheel drive vehicles.
The driveshafts may limit the amount by which the front wheels can turn, thus it may increase the turning circle of a front wheel drive car compared to a rear wheel drive one with the same wheelbase.
In low traction conditions (ie: ice or gravel) the front (Drive) Wheels lose traction first making steering ineffective.

nice.
but for everyday driving, "it doesn't matter".
my opinion.

[Gobilamoka]

This is my predicament..

My soon to be wife just gave birth, so 5-6 years from now mag-aaral na yun. I'm thinking na habang di pa siya nag-aaral makabili na ako ng sasakyan kasi once na magstart na ako magbayad ng tuition, aka di ko na kayanin bumili ng sasakyan. Tapos bibili siyempre, I'll also be looking into getting my own house. so.. ang nasa utak ko po ay buy now while you still can before you can't afford it anymore. Kaya ang kung bibili na ngayon, bumili narin ng mataas - taas na vehicle na gusto ko narin na hindi ko na ibebenta. Of course my logic can be wrong :D

[dr. d]

This is my predicament..

My soon to be wife just gave birth, so 5-6 years from now mag-aaral na yun. I'm thinking na habang di pa siya nag-aaral makabili na ako ng sasakyan kasi once na magstart na ako magbayad ng tuition, aka di ko na kayanin bumili ng sasakyan. Tapos bibili siyempre, I'll also be looking into getting my own house. so.. ang nasa utak ko po ay buy now while you still can before you can't afford it anymore. Kaya ang kung bibili na ngayon, bumili narin ng mataas - taas na vehicle na gusto ko narin na hindi ko na ibebenta. Of course my logic can be wrong :D

i bought my diesel innova with manual transmission, in 2005.
after 110K km and 11 years, it still runs very very well, giving at least 10 km/li in the city. no headaches.
the body? well, my son is the primary driver now. let's just keep it at that.
but it does still look great from the left side.

[jut703]

Diadvantages of Front Wheel Drive-

The center of gravity of the vehicle is typically farther forward than a comparable rear-wheel drive layout. In front wheel drive cars, the front axle typically supports around 2/3rd of the weight of the car (quite far off the "ideal" 50/50 weight distribution). This is a contributing factor in the tendency of front wheel drive cars to understeer.
Torque steer can be a problem on front wheel drive cars with higher torque engines ( > 210 N·m ) and transverse layout. This is the name given to the tendency for some front wheel drive cars to pull to the left or right under hard acceleration. It is a result of the offset between the point about which the wheel steers (which falls at a point which is aligned with the points at which the wheel is connected to the steering mechanisms) and the centroid of its contact patch. The tractive force acts through the centroid of the contact patch, and the offset of the steering point means that a turning moment about the axis of steering is generated. In an ideal situation, the left and right wheels would generate equal and opposite moments, cancelling each other out, however in reality this is less likely to happen. Torque steer is often incorrectly attributed to differing rates of twist along the lengths of unequal front drive shafts. However, Center-point steering geometry can be incorporated in the design to avoid torque steer. This is how the powerful Citroen SM front-wheel drive car avoided the problem.
Lack of weight shifting will limit the acceleration of a front wheel drive vehicle. In a rear wheel drive car the weight shifts back during acceleration giving more traction to the driving wheels. This is the main reason why nearly all racing cars are rear wheel drive. However, since front wheel cars have the weight of the engine over the driving wheels the problem only applies in extreme conditions.
In some towing situations front wheel drive cars can be at a traction disadvantage since there will be less weight on the driving wheels. Because of this, the weight that the vehicle is rated to safely tow is likely to be less than that of a rear wheel drive or four wheel drive vehicle of the same size and power.
Due to geometry and packaging constraints, the CV joints (constant-velocity joints) attached to the wheel hub have a tendency to wear out much earlier than their rear wheel drive counterparts. The significantly shorter drive axles on a front wheel drive car causes the joint to flex through a much wider degree of motion, compounded by additional stress and angles of steering, while the CV joints of a rear wheel drive car regularly see angles and wear of less than half that of front wheel drive vehicles.
The driveshafts may limit the amount by which the front wheels can turn, thus it may increase the turning circle of a front wheel drive car compared to a rear wheel drive one with the same wheelbase.
In low traction conditions (ie: ice or gravel) the front (Drive) Wheels lose traction first making steering ineffective.

Great copy-paste exercise. But like Dr. D said, it doesn't matter in daily driving for people who don't push cars to the limit.

Now let me ask you, between a RWD Avanza and a FWD ASX, which handles better? I've driven both and the ASX accelerates much faster and can take a corner much quicker.

You say a RWD accelerates quicker, but no Avanza can out-accelerate an ASX. 0-100 of the Avanza is close to 15 sec for the 1.3 while the ASX does so in under 11 seconds with a top speed of over 200 kph. Cars accelerate faster when they weigh less, and/or have more power, and/or have better transmissions, or all of the above.

You can't compare ceteris paribus because the reality is that no car comes in both FWD and RWD form. And under 1.5M, the only RWD cars are pickups, MPVs, and base model PPVs. None of these can take a corner as well as FWD sedans or crossovers.

Yes FWDs have a higher propensity to understeer - when driven hard. Honestly I've never seen anyone drive on the road even 50% as quickly as we do on the track. And even on the track, FWD cars are capable of taking corners quickly even in excess of 300 whp. Most FWD cars sold today don't even have half of that power so torque steer and understeer are minimal especially for everyday driving.

Then you speak of towing. In all your driving years, how frequently do you tow things for it to be a factor? You don't buy a car for once-in-a-blue-moon events, you buy it to fit your usual daily requirements.

Oh, and among all the FWD cars that I own/ed, none required premature CV joint replacement. This is usually replaced when the car is close to 100,000 km, but even then it's relatively inexpensive.

Bottomline: Buy the car based on what it offers as a whole package, not just for its drivetrain layout.



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[Wh1stl3r2]

I just have to ask. Why is your handle "ako malibog" spelled backwards?