Please help me buy my first vehicle

[Gobilamoka]

So I have a 4 month old daughter so I need to get a vehicle pang service namin. My wife is from batanggas so byabyahe kame dun at least once a month. Here are criterias:

Ps. I am a total car newb. Dont even know how to drive properly yet.

1. Mataas, at least hugher than sedans. May isang part kasi papunta sa bahay sa batanggas na rough road and malubak konti.

2. Matic. Evetually tuturuan si wife nag drive

3. Bank financing so price to not exceed 1.1m

4. Good fuel consumption?

Current choice is the asx kasi may 100k discount daw.
Any inputs po would be appreciated

[jut703]

The Ecosport is the cheapest car that fits your needs. I'm just not a fan of its transmission which is jerky in traffic and has questionable long-term durability.

The Juke is another cheap option to consider, though it's also cramped inside like the Ecosport.

The upcoming Honda BRV seems to fit your needs quite well and is only 980k.

Personally I'd go with the ASX but it's quite thirsty at the pump. I was only able to get 6.5 km/L in city driving and 12 km/L in highway driving. I don't mind though because it's much more powerful than the Juke/Ecosport/BRV.


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[Gobilamoka]

The Ecosport is the cheapest car that fits your needs. I'm just not a fan of its transmission which is jerky in traffic and has questionable long-term durability.

The Juke is another cheap option to consider, though it's also cramped inside like the Ecosport.

The upcoming Honda BRV seems to fit your needs quite well and is only 980k.

Personally I'd go with the ASX but it's quite thirsty at the pump. I was only able to get 6.5 km/L in city driving and 12 km/L in highway driving. I don't mind though because it's much more powerful than the Juke/Ecosport/BRV.


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To be honest, si asx di ko pa nakikita sa loob, haha

Eco sport though, napasok ko na and nasisikipan ako (im bigger than your average pinoy, and on the heavy side)

[Lew_Alcindor]

Diesel or Gas?

[jaypee10]

innova kana lang bro pang matagalan..

[Gobilamoka]

Diesel or Gas?

Nakakahiya man but I really dont know the difference nun 2 except for mas mura ang diesel hehehe

[jut703]

Is your budget strictly limited to 1.1M? The Innova 2.8E is 1.2M but is a bigger, more efficient car compared to all others in its price range. It has a diesel engine that's powerful but also thrifty.

Most gas-fed cars cost more to run because of the higher fuel cost of gasoline vs diesel.


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[Gobilamoka]

Is your budget strictly limited to 1.1M? The Innova 2.8E is 1.2M but is a bigger, more efficient car compared to all others in its price range. It has a diesel engine that's powerful but also thrifty.


Most gas-fed cars cost more to run because of the higher fuel cost of gasoline vs diesel.


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1.222 I think, not sure kung may discount pa. Considering this too, but kung ito, kelangan pa mag ipon pandagdag ng down. I dont want/cant afford to pay more than 16k monthly

[jut703]

1.222 I think, not sure kung may discount pa. Considering this too, but kung ito, kelangan pa mag ipon pandagdag ng down. I dont want/cant afford to pay more than 16k monthly

It's worth it to save up more for the Innova since it's a more practical car. Downpayment of 480k (40%) so that you can keep your monthly payments under 16k/month.

On the other hand, the Ecosport Trend is only 885k and already has all the basic things a first-time car buyer needs, except generous space. However, since you only have one daughter, it shouldn't be much of an issue. You can get one for roughly 180k DP and 15k/month amortization.


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[Gobilamoka]

It's worth it to save up more for the Innova since it's a more practical car. Downpayment of 480k (40%) so that you can keep your monthly payments under 16k/month.

On the other hand, the Ecosport Trend is only 885k and already has all the basic things a first-time car buyer needs, except generous space. However, since you only have one daughter, it shouldn't be much of an issue. You can get one for roughly 180k DP and 15k/month amortization.


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Eco sport vs the asx sa space and storage?

Asx is almost 1m lang dahil sa 100k discount.

[jut703]

Eco sport vs the asx sa space and storage?

Asx is almost 1m lang dahil sa 100k discount.

ASX, definitely. The ASX is wider, which is good for bigger guys like you. Space in the back is still quite small compared to sedans like the Altis and Civic, but bigger than the Ecosport.


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[Wh1stl3r2]

I just have to ask. Why is your handle "ako malibog" spelled backwards?

[MR_BIG18]

I just have to ask. Why is your handle "ako malibog" spelled backwards?

you really need to ask that?

[eryxon]

Toyota Avanza 1.6 A/T less than 1M small so easy to drive for newbies. Matipid sa gas at very reliable. Rear wheel drive kaya mas malakas sa akyatan. Mataas din kaya pwede sa lubak at subok ko na kahit gravel and muddy road. Madaling i-park sa mga mall kasi nga maliit sya at maliit lang ang turning radius.

[Gobilamoka]

Toyota Avanza 1.6 A/T less than 1M small so easy to drive for newbies. Matipid sa gas at very reliable. Rear wheel drive kaya mas malakas sa akyatan. Mataas din kaya pwede sa lubak at subok ko na kahit gravel and muddy road. Madaling i-park sa mga mall kasi nga maliit sya at maliit lang ang turning radius.

Avanza g a/t is 930k din kasi. The E model naman walang ABS po

[jut703]

Toyota Avanza 1.6 A/T less than 1M small so easy to drive for newbies. Matipid sa gas at very reliable. Rear wheel drive kaya mas malakas sa akyatan. Mataas din kaya pwede sa lubak at subok ko na kahit gravel and muddy road. Madaling i-park sa mga mall kasi nga maliit sya at maliit lang ang turning radius.

Being rear wheel drive has nothing to do with "lakas sa akyatan". The Avanza is certainly no match compared to a 2.0 ASX or an Innova.

The points on ground clearance and tight turning radius are true, but the Ecosport also has those traits.


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[StockEngine]

210mm or was it 201mm ground clearance. I think thats better than the innova.

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[eryxon]

Diadvantages of Front Wheel Drive-

The center of gravity of the vehicle is typically farther forward than a comparable rear-wheel drive layout. In front wheel drive cars, the front axle typically supports around 2/3rd of the weight of the car (quite far off the "ideal" 50/50 weight distribution). This is a contributing factor in the tendency of front wheel drive cars to understeer.
Torque steer can be a problem on front wheel drive cars with higher torque engines ( > 210 N·m ) and transverse layout. This is the name given to the tendency for some front wheel drive cars to pull to the left or right under hard acceleration. It is a result of the offset between the point about which the wheel steers (which falls at a point which is aligned with the points at which the wheel is connected to the steering mechanisms) and the centroid of its contact patch. The tractive force acts through the centroid of the contact patch, and the offset of the steering point means that a turning moment about the axis of steering is generated. In an ideal situation, the left and right wheels would generate equal and opposite moments, cancelling each other out, however in reality this is less likely to happen. Torque steer is often incorrectly attributed to differing rates of twist along the lengths of unequal front drive shafts. However, Center-point steering geometry can be incorporated in the design to avoid torque steer. This is how the powerful Citroen SM front-wheel drive car avoided the problem.
Lack of weight shifting will limit the acceleration of a front wheel drive vehicle. In a rear wheel drive car the weight shifts back during acceleration giving more traction to the driving wheels. This is the main reason why nearly all racing cars are rear wheel drive. However, since front wheel cars have the weight of the engine over the driving wheels the problem only applies in extreme conditions.
In some towing situations front wheel drive cars can be at a traction disadvantage since there will be less weight on the driving wheels. Because of this, the weight that the vehicle is rated to safely tow is likely to be less than that of a rear wheel drive or four wheel drive vehicle of the same size and power.
Due to geometry and packaging constraints, the CV joints (constant-velocity joints) attached to the wheel hub have a tendency to wear out much earlier than their rear wheel drive counterparts. The significantly shorter drive axles on a front wheel drive car causes the joint to flex through a much wider degree of motion, compounded by additional stress and angles of steering, while the CV joints of a rear wheel drive car regularly see angles and wear of less than half that of front wheel drive vehicles.
The driveshafts may limit the amount by which the front wheels can turn, thus it may increase the turning circle of a front wheel drive car compared to a rear wheel drive one with the same wheelbase.
In low traction conditions (ie: ice or gravel) the front (Drive) Wheels lose traction first making steering ineffective.

[dr. d]

Diadvantages of Front Wheel Drive-

The center of gravity of the vehicle is typically farther forward than a comparable rear-wheel drive layout. In front wheel drive cars, the front axle typically supports around 2/3rd of the weight of the car (quite far off the "ideal" 50/50 weight distribution). This is a contributing factor in the tendency of front wheel drive cars to understeer.
Torque steer can be a problem on front wheel drive cars with higher torque engines ( > 210 N·m ) and transverse layout. This is the name given to the tendency for some front wheel drive cars to pull to the left or right under hard acceleration. It is a result of the offset between the point about which the wheel steers (which falls at a point which is aligned with the points at which the wheel is connected to the steering mechanisms) and the centroid of its contact patch. The tractive force acts through the centroid of the contact patch, and the offset of the steering point means that a turning moment about the axis of steering is generated. In an ideal situation, the left and right wheels would generate equal and opposite moments, cancelling each other out, however in reality this is less likely to happen. Torque steer is often incorrectly attributed to differing rates of twist along the lengths of unequal front drive shafts. However, Center-point steering geometry can be incorporated in the design to avoid torque steer. This is how the powerful Citroen SM front-wheel drive car avoided the problem.
Lack of weight shifting will limit the acceleration of a front wheel drive vehicle. In a rear wheel drive car the weight shifts back during acceleration giving more traction to the driving wheels. This is the main reason why nearly all racing cars are rear wheel drive. However, since front wheel cars have the weight of the engine over the driving wheels the problem only applies in extreme conditions.
In some towing situations front wheel drive cars can be at a traction disadvantage since there will be less weight on the driving wheels. Because of this, the weight that the vehicle is rated to safely tow is likely to be less than that of a rear wheel drive or four wheel drive vehicle of the same size and power.
Due to geometry and packaging constraints, the CV joints (constant-velocity joints) attached to the wheel hub have a tendency to wear out much earlier than their rear wheel drive counterparts. The significantly shorter drive axles on a front wheel drive car causes the joint to flex through a much wider degree of motion, compounded by additional stress and angles of steering, while the CV joints of a rear wheel drive car regularly see angles and wear of less than half that of front wheel drive vehicles.
The driveshafts may limit the amount by which the front wheels can turn, thus it may increase the turning circle of a front wheel drive car compared to a rear wheel drive one with the same wheelbase.
In low traction conditions (ie: ice or gravel) the front (Drive) Wheels lose traction first making steering ineffective.

nice.
but for everyday driving, "it doesn't matter".
my opinion.

[Gobilamoka]

This is my predicament..

My soon to be wife just gave birth, so 5-6 years from now mag-aaral na yun. I'm thinking na habang di pa siya nag-aaral makabili na ako ng sasakyan kasi once na magstart na ako magbayad ng tuition, aka di ko na kayanin bumili ng sasakyan. Tapos bibili siyempre, I'll also be looking into getting my own house. so.. ang nasa utak ko po ay buy now while you still can before you can't afford it anymore. Kaya ang kung bibili na ngayon, bumili narin ng mataas - taas na vehicle na gusto ko narin na hindi ko na ibebenta. Of course my logic can be wrong :D