Nissan Kicks VE or Honda HR-V S

[doo]

For a family of two, which would you choose and what would make you choose one over the other?

Will be used mostly for city driving, with the occasional long drive (Baguio, La Union, Vigan, ganun). I'm thinking, the price difference (would be getting a bank loan for this) would be offset by the monthly gas consumption.

With gas prices the way they are, get the hybrid.

EV/hybrid tech is getting better, ICE cars might get a big drop in (resale) value in 5 yrs time. Evident on some brands transitioning to hybrids/EV and some are EOL'ing their flagship guzzlers.

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[ice15]

one more thing...

my sister's Honda SA told her na wala nang non-Turbo HR-V na lalabas this year.
may pila na din yung Kicks.

Both are expected to have a price increase.

[Dr.Kamiya]

may nissan e power na kotse na 5 taon na?

Nissan Note e-Power came out 2016 in Japan. Nissan e-Power series hybrid builds on electric-car expertise

More or less same drivetrain as the Kicks, just a slightly smaller battery.

[carxynogen]

With gas prices the way they are, get the hybrid.

EV/hybrid tech is getting better, ICE cars might get a big drop in (resale) value in 5 yrs time. Evident on some brands transitioning to hybrids/EV and some are EOL'ing their flagship guzzlers.

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If almost cars maging EV na and walang restriction sa use ng gasoline, baka magmura price ng gasoline.
I remember dati dami nagpa convert taxi to LPG dahil mas mura nga.
Pero nung dumami nagpa convert, tumaas din presyo LPG to the point na naging maliit nalang difference price ng gas at LPG.
Baka ganito din mangyari if all cars are EV na.
For sure tataas presyo ng kuryente, affected pa mga household consumers.
Kukulangin pa nga supply natin usually especially during summer season.

[dr. d]

For sure tataas presyo ng kuryente, affected pa mga household consumers.
Kukulangin pa nga supply natin usually especially during summer season.

it think california is already feeling it.
authority is requesting EV owners to not charge their vehicles at certain times of the day, as the state grapples with energy shortage.

[bxr monkey]

Mukhang lamang HR-V sa interior comfort at space.

Kicks in paper lamang sa power. Pero sa long power demand kunwari continuous na akyatan sa Baguio na overtaking ng trucks... once depleted na battery, ang mabibigay niyang power ay equivalent sa 1.2L engine? Labas 1.2L vs. 1.5L.

Pero sa city driving na 95% use case ni TS, malamang lamang si Kicks sa power at efficiency. May time mag charge sa stop and go traffic.

[ice15]

Kicks in paper lamang sa power. Pero sa long power demand kunwari continuous na akyatan sa Baguio na overtaking ng trucks... once depleted na battery, ang mabibigay niyang power ay equivalent sa 1.2L engine? Labas 1.2L vs. 1.5L.

same pa din... the 1.2L engine is not connected to the cars powertrain.

[Vodka]

Mukhang lamang HR-V sa interior comfort at space.

Kicks in paper lamang sa power. Pero sa long power demand kunwari continuous na akyatan sa Baguio na overtaking ng trucks... once depleted na battery, ang mabibigay niyang power ay equivalent sa 1.2L engine? Labas 1.2L vs. 1.5L.

Pero sa city driving na 95% use case ni TS, malamang lamang si Kicks sa power at efficiency. May time mag charge sa stop and go traffic.

yeah the battery is tiny would be interesting to see how it performs when you completely deplete the batt like in the scenario you described

so what'll happen is the 1.2 will act as generator, lots of power losses there. then electricity will go through various power electronics (more power losses), before being fed into electric traction motor WITHOUT the assistance of battery coz it's depleted. so it'll probably perform worse than a 1.2L directly driving the wheels

between kicks and hrv i'd probably pick the honda. epower is very complex compared to pure ICE or pure EV. lots of things that could go wrong. low power electronics like ECU can be very reliable, but power elec w/ lots of large capacitors and MOSFETs, not so much

[ice15]

yeah the battery is tiny would be interesting to see how it performs when you completely deplete the batt like in the scenario you described

so what'll happen is the 1.2 will act as generator, lots of power losses there. then electricity will go through various power electronics (more power losses), before being fed into electric traction motor WITHOUT the assistance of battery coz it's depleted. so it'll probably perform worse than a 1.2L directly driving the wheels

between kicks and hrv i'd probably pick the honda. epower is very complex compared to pure ICE or pure EV. lots of things that could go wrong. low power electronics like ECU can be very reliable, but power elec w/ lots of large capacitors and MOSFETs, not so much

technically... an engine powering a generator is more efficient that an engine powering the wheels directly.

for me. the choice is basically how long do you plan to have the car maintained by Nissan...

Its the reason why my sister chose the HR-V, she can't imagine bring a 5 year old car to Nissan for repairs (if something goes wrong)

[bxr monkey]

Oo nga. Limited na sa power generating capacity ng 1.2L once depleted na battery.

Battery capacity malamang na estimate para sa normal acceleration at overtaking. Then need ng time mag charge. Hindi kaya sa constant power demand tulad ng continuous topspeed driving, na hindi naman normal. Hehe.

Dito sa video mababa na top power at top speed once no charge na. In effect 1.2L ICE na lang nagdadala.

https://youtu.be/e2QQiN0u-jQ

Malamang mabibitin iyan sa dulo ng Baguio climb at ubos na battery.