Civic VTI(SiR body) vs Ford Lynx RS vs Ford Escape(XLS M/t)

[fullmetal]

magandang umaga mga ka-tsikot!

currently 2000 civic vti m/t ang auto ko, kaso medjo nagsawa nako kaya iniisip ko siya palitan ano kaya ang mas ok sa tatlo mga sir?

based on:
1. performance
2. comfort
3. fuel consumption
4. spare parts
5. resale value

some questions din:
totoo bang mahirap at mas mahal ang piyesa ng ford kaysa honda?
mga ilan kaya ang FC ng escape at lynx RS as compared to the civic?
comfort ng lynx at escape as compared sa civic?
performance ng tatlo?
tibay ng ford cars?
how "bad" is the resale value of ford units?

actually medjo pormado na yung exterior/interior ng civic ko, kaso naisip ko parang mas ok gumastos ng mods sa performance kaysa sa pagpapa-pogi lang ng kotse. kaya naisip ko yung ford lynx RS.

kaya naman kasama yung escape kasi sanay ako sa suv/pick up(lumaki kasi akong malalaki lang ang sasakyan namin), medjo hirap ako sa pagdridrive ng kotse lalo na sa mga lubak etc.


thanks sa input niyo guys! especially kay sir niky, nakaka-inspire yung ford lynx RS niyo eh sir kung ford lynx rs man ang bibilin ko baka magtanong ako sainyo ng basic engine mods like IHE, unichip etc

[GTi]

Depende parin yan sa needs mo. Practicality wise the Escape would be the one to get since it has more room, higher ground clearance and very very tough off road worthy underpinnings. Though of course the Lynx RS is faster and probably more economical.

[renzo_d10]

The Escape I used to drive ( 3.0L V6 A/T ) goes about 5km/L on city driving. The XLS M/T should do better, I suppose. The V6 rides, handles and drives well enough. The acceleration is of course, superb. I'm not sure though with the 2.3(?) XLS. But since it's manual, it should do good.

The RS is a pretty good car. Cheap for its features and perks. So it's a plus for you. It looks good. And, that's all I could say. No first hand experience with the lynx.

[GTi]

The Escape I used to drive ( 3.0L V6 A/T ) goes about 5km/L on city driving. The XLS M/T should do better, I suppose. The V6 rides, handles and drives well enough. The acceleration is of course, superb. I'm not sure though with the 2.3(?) XLS. But since it's manual, it should do good.

The RS is a pretty good car. Cheap for its features and perks. So it's a plus for you. It looks good. And, that's all I could say. No first hand experience with the lynx.

Yung XLS M/T 2.0 Zetec engine ang gamit. We have the 2.0XLT 4x4 A/T Escape. Most of the reasons why it is somewhat lethargic is due to the matic transmission's weird behavior and the added drag of the AWD system. The lighter 4x2 M/T should do much better as its really very torquey and in dire need of a better transmission for both better acceleration and fuel economy.

But the Lynx RS's 2.0L engine is still much better than the Escape's in terms of power.

[vinj]

Most of the reasons why it is somewhat lethargic is due to the matic transmission's weird behavior and the added drag of the AWD system.

I agree. We also had a 2.0 4x2 a/t Escape before and it isnt underpowered as some may claim. The transmission gearing is just quite off (i find it too long) so you don't get into the real powerband until you're at the high rpm range. I loved driving it though as it was quite comfortable, had good insulation and good interior and trunk space.

If you're getting an Escape, go for the 2.3L although this only comes with an a/t. Performance of course will go with the Lynx 2.0; spare parts should likewise be the same for both models. So far parts have been easy on our ford cars before as we would just buy it from shops in Banawe. On resale, it is low if you bought the car brand new but then again it works to your advantage as a second hand buyer and it should drop off to drastically after that.

[GTi]

I agree. We also had a 2.0 4x2 a/t Escape before and it isnt underpowered as some may claim. The transmission gearing is just quite off (i find it too long) so you don't get into the real powerband until you're at the high rpm range. I loved driving it though as it was quite comfortable, had good insulation and good interior and trunk space.

If you're getting an Escape, go for the 2.3L although this only comes with an a/t. Performance of course will go with the Lynx 2.0; spare parts should likewise be the same for both models. So far parts have been easy on our ford cars before as we would just buy it from shops in Banawe. On resale, it is low if you bought the car brand new but then again it works to your advantage as a second hand buyer and it should drop off to drastically after that.

Amen to that. The transmission would be on very low rpm on one moment and then after a split second of deliberation suddenly be at 4000rpm by the next with just a wee slightly heavier press on the accelerator. No such problem with the M/T, I suppose. I really like ours as the handling is excellent with very minimal body roll even in more extreme circumstances. The suspension is very, very solid and also very well damped with no floaty feel yet still not bone-jarringly hard.

[niky]

The problem with the 2.0 is the amount of performance you get for the fuel consumption. In this, the 2.3 AT is worlds better. Heck, if Ford had only sold the 2.3 instead of the 2.0 and 3.0, the Escape wouldn't get such a bad rap for fuel economy. And the 3.0's four-speed automatic is crap in traffic... until you hit 60, you won't feel the extra power at all.

Wish our CR-V rode as nicely as the Escape.

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The RS is a better car all-around than the VTi, except in terms of fuel consumption. While the RS is comparable to the SiR in terms of performance and economy, like the SiR, it's hard to find a secondhand unit that isn't abused and/or in need of lots of TLC. Also consider the condition of the interior leather (steering, shift knob), sound system and sunroof.

Spare parts are surprisingly affordable and easy to find for a 2 liter car. (MazFord Banawe... complete supply of spares) But you still have the issue of extra cash out every registration (5k plus).

[vinj]

IOn resale, it is low if you bought the car brand new but then again it works to your advantage as a second hand buyer and it should drop off to drastically after that.

Correction on this: it should NOT drop off too drastically after that

Sorry... Holiday hangover.

Yes, the Escape had a very good balance on the suspension between firmness and comfort IMO.

[GTi]

The problem with the 2.0 is the amount of performance you get for the fuel consumption. In this, the 2.3 AT is worlds better. Heck, if Ford had only sold the 2.3 instead of the 2.0 and 3.0, the Escape wouldn't get such a bad rap for fuel economy. And the 3.0's four-speed automatic is crap in traffic... until you hit 60, you won't feel the extra power at all.

Wish our CR-V rode as nicely as the Escape.

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The RS is a better car all-around than the VTi, except in terms of fuel consumption. While the RS is comparable to the SiR in terms of performance and economy, like the SiR, it's hard to find a secondhand unit that isn't abused and/or in need of lots of TLC. Also consider the condition of the interior leather (steering, shift knob), sound system and sunroof.

Spare parts are surprisingly affordable and easy to find for a 2 liter car. (MazFord Banawe... complete supply of spares) But you still have the issue of extra cash out every registration (5k plus).

How does the 2.0M/T and 2.3A/T Escape compare in terms of fuel consumption? Also, does the 2.3L model use a different A/T gearbox?

[vinj]

How does the 2.0M/T and 2.3A/T Escape compare in terms of fuel consumption? Also, does the 2.3L model use a different A/T gearbox?

No experience with the 2.0 m/t but the 2.3 a/t can do 7km/L+ in city driving and 12km/l on the highway... when owner driven (pag driver may dala... forget it, babagsak to 5-6km/L sa city driving).

[GTi]

No experience with the 2.0 m/t but the 2.3 a/t can do 7km/L+ in city driving and 12km/l on the highway... when owner driven (pag driver may dala... forget it, babagsak to 5-6km/L sa city driving).

7km/L+?! ang tipid pala nun ah. What kind of driving is that? We have a 2010 Escape 2.3XLS A/T in Taiwan, which they say gets around 9km/L city but of course the city traffic condition there is close to US standards so that's not really very accurate.

Our 2.0XLT is very dreadful in the FC aspect, even worse than our Accord 2.4. It doesn't help that we are a fast driving family and the Escape will be flogged to run in the same manner as the Accord 2.4. But then, I must comment that it is really one good singer, the best among all the cars in our house. The sound from the engine is befitting of a sports car or a big bike.

[niky]

Wouldn't know MT to AT, but the AT 2.3 is better than the 2nd Generation AT 2.4 CRV.

It's a four-speed automatic, but the engine has enough torque to push through the long first and second gear.

That said... for the same price, you can get more from a Lynx RS than an Escape... (RSs now hovering between 250-350k pesos), except the RS wasn't available with leather seats. It was a costly 40k dealer option.

[vinj]

7km/L+?! ang tipid pala nun ah. What kind of driving is that? We have a 2010 Escape 2.3XLS A/T in Taiwan, which they say gets around 9km/L city but of course the city traffic condition there is close to US standards so that's not really very accurate.

Light foot on the acceleration and we have a habit of driving with momentum; pag driver, heavy foot sa acceleration, preno, accelerate, preno... With our 2.0 a/t before, it was averaging 6.0km/L++ in city driving and 10km/L on the highway. When i'm heavy on the accelerator and nasamahan ng Holy Week traffic going up to Baguio years ago, it went down to 8km/L+.

[SiRbossR]

The 2.0 XLS M/T escape is raelly nice. the transmission is really good for its size. The FC is just better than the First Gen CR-V.

[GTi]

The 2.0 XLS M/T escape is raelly nice. the transmission is really good for its size. The FC is just better than the First Gen CR-V.

FC of the 1st gen CRV M/T or A/T? Our 2.0XLT gets only around 6km/L.

[fullmetal]

thanks sa mga replies niyo mga sir! so mas practical talaga kung escape yung ipapalit ko sa tsikot ko ngayon no? considering na suv/cuv siya at mahirap humanap ng di abused na ford lynx RS.

sa experience niyo mga sir, ilan ang FC ng ford escape 2.0 m/t? city driving and highway sana. manual kasi talaga ang balak kong ipalit sa tsikot ko kasi dun ako sanay at mas konti daw ang problema sa manual compared sa matic pag 2nd hand ang auto.

tsaka di ba mahal/mahirap kumuha ng piyesa ng ford? lastly, magkano ba ang price range ngayong ng mga ford escape 2.0 m/t 4x2? thanks in advance mga sir!

[GTi]

thanks sa mga replies niyo mga sir! so mas practical talaga kung escape yung ipapalit ko sa tsikot ko ngayon no? considering na suv/cuv siya at mahirap humanap ng di abused na ford lynx RS.

sa experience niyo mga sir, ilan ang FC ng ford escape 2.0 m/t? city driving and highway sana. manual kasi talaga ang balak kong ipalit sa tsikot ko kasi dun ako sanay at mas konti daw ang problema sa manual compared sa matic pag 2nd hand ang auto.

tsaka di ba mahal/mahirap kumuha ng piyesa ng ford? lastly, magkano ba ang price range ngayong ng mga ford escape 2.0 m/t 4x2? thanks in advance mga sir!

Ang Escape M/T nasa around 300+k to 400+k depending on the condition and year model. Isang maganda dun sa Escape is that you can change the headlights to the dual bulb multireflector type used in the gen 1.5 version for an even better look. As for the FC, it should be around 7-8km/L city. Ford parts are not hard to find, andami nun sa Banawe, and as long as you know where to look they're not necessarily expensive.

[niky]

Parts for the Lynx are not expensive compared to cars available at the same time. Parts are obviously more expensive than older Japanese cars (the RS is an 03 model) but are around the same price as the Corolla Altis and ES Civic of that era. Heck... brake parts and suspension parts are much cheaper than for the Mazda3 and Civic FD.