[Merged] Honda CITY vs Toyota VIOS

[splukutum]

vios

tapos salpakan ng blitz supercharger!

bangis!

[splukutum]

the above pic nga pala is a 1.5 echo which shares the same engine (1NZ-FE) with the 1.5 vios...

[ghosthunter]

Toyota ECHO with 1.5 supercharger and full TOM's body kit and wheels... You'll end up with an anime looking car that has real-world supercar performance.

[inlook]

our australian version of city, honda jazz

[falken_09]

my vote goes to vios.. pangit kasi ang exterior ng city eh... hehe!!

[ozcity]

OT...ey inlook are you from downunder?


panget nga ang exterior ng city..hehehe

[inlook]

OZCITY:: yep that's right

[ozcity]

OT na..heheh inlook
Sydney??.....

[ozcity]

:confused: :confused:

Toyota Vios 1.5 G A/T:
107 HP (at the crank) - 30% power loss(power lost due to conventional torque-converter equipped slush disc + battery alternator + A/C compressor + power-steering hydraulic pump) == 75 HP (at the wheels)

Honda City-S 1.5 CVT:

88 HP (at the crank) - 16% power loss(alternator + A/C compressor + low power-loss CVT + no power-loss electric servo power-steering) == 74 HP (at the wheels)

[artpogi]

its possible.

[mk]

hmmm....not sure about it..so far na drive ko vios pa lang... it accelerates just like any 1.6 sedan .

[rodski]

I don't think that this is true. There are many clutches in the CVT of the City if not not mistaken it has 4. The first two clutches connects the engine and the transmission (double clutch). Then it goes to the belt drive (two sprockets). From there it goes to another clutch system before it reaches the differential. All this for 16% power loss!!!! The belt as they claim is made of steel is still prone to slipping and wear and tear. No sir I don't think that this is true.

[ghosthunter]

I have driven both the City 1.3 CVT & the VIOS 1.5 A/T. Both cars behaved like a 1.3 & 1.5 engined cars, accelerating at the rate dictated by their respective engine sizes.

I guess the (mis)information came from the Honda sales people trying to get more customers by hook or crook.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by ozcity
:confused: :confused:

Toyota Vios 1.5 G A/T:
107 HP (at the crank) - 30% power loss(power lost due to conventional torque-converter equipped slush disc + battery alternator + A/C compressor + power-steering hydraulic pump) == 75 HP (at the wheels)

Honda City-S 1.5 CVT:

88 HP (at the crank) - 16% power loss(alternator + A/C compressor + low power-loss CVT + no power-loss electric servo power-steering) == 74 HP (at the wheels)

Wow! Honda City 1.5 doing only 88HP... hehehe should be 1.3 lang.

[ssaloon]

ipadyno nyo nalang para maverify

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by ssaloon
ipadyno nyo nalang para maverify

give me the P5000 and I'll dyno my mom's new Honda City 1.3 CVT at Auto-Plus. :D

[Karding]

Originally posted by ozcity
:confused: :confused:
Honda City-S 1.5 CVT:

88 HP (at the crank) - 16% power loss(alternator + A/C compressor + low power-loss CVT + no power-loss electric servo power-steering) == 74 HP (at the wheels)

hindi ko alam kung bakit ka nagtataka kapatid. Usually ang mga HP is measured at the flywheel (no alternator, A/C etc.) by the manufacturers. Kahit ang Mustang GT has a 16% drivetrain powerloss. Kahit na ang WRX ko na 227HP daw, eh 168.4 lang talaga ang flywheel HP using the "AWD Dyno Dynamics" in Australia (around 25% drivetrain powerloss due ot AWD capability). Then, using the AWD Dynojet (www.dynojet.com) in USA, it has a 16% drivetrain loss, WHP is now 190hp instead of 227. Buti nga 16% lang ang loss ng City considering na CVT pa sya. Ang palagay ko walang significant effect ang CVT kung tutuusin, dahil most cars has a 16% drivetrain loss anyway.

Ang advertised HP ng mga manufacturer is the Crank and not the Wheel HP.

[artpogi]

Originally posted by Karding
hindi ko alam kung bakit ka nagtataka kapatid. Usually ang mga HP is measured at the flywheel (no alternator, A/C etc.) by the manufacturers. Kahit ang Mustang GT has a 16% drivetrain powerloss. Kahit na ang WRX ko na 227HP daw, eh 168.4 lang talaga ang flywheel HP using the "AWD Dyno Dynamics" in Australia (around 25% drivetrain powerloss due ot AWD capability). Then, using the AWD Dynojet (www.dynojet.com) in USA, it has a 16% drivetrain loss, WHP is now 190hp instead of 227. Buti nga 16% lang ang loss ng City considering na CVT pa sya. Ang palagay ko walang significant effect ang CVT kung tutuusin, dahil most cars has a 16% drivetrain loss anyway.

Ang advertised HP ng mga manufacturer is the Crank and not the Wheel HP.

Korek ka dyan.

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by Karding
Ang palagay ko walang significant effect ang CVT kung tutuusin, dahil most cars has a 16% drivetrain loss anyway.

Ang advertised HP ng mga manufacturer is the Crank and not the Wheel HP.

I believe 16% loss was normal pero ang 30% loss ng Vios was too high.

Di kaya marketing strategy ??? :confused:

[HBOY]

i saw it on a malaysian or thailand automotive magazine.. yung comparo nila is the 1.5L vios vs teh 1.3L City... guess what their 0-60 times where?... .01 seconds lang ang diff nila.