[Merged] Honda CITY vs Toyota VIOS

[ghosthunter]

Actually the local Honda City doesn't look good because of the trunk at the back... but if you get the hatchback version of the Honda City and then do the same setup as in the pic... it would look very very hot indeed!

[April_Ryan]

fyi,

motioncars just released the result of their honda city test drive. more raves than rants.

[rapeez]

....kakainis yung front ng CITY d proportion sa body ang kitid.

my vote goes to VIOS. Cute ng center gauge panel all digital.

[ozcity]

kanya kanya lang taste yan...hehehehe

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by rapeez
....kakainis yung front ng CITY d proportion sa body ang kitid.

my vote goes to VIOS. Cute ng center gauge panel all digital.

digital guages might look cute but harder to use on a daily basis.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by April_Ryan
fyi,

motioncars just released the result of their honda city test drive. more raves than rants.

Actually the Honda City is really a nice car if your purpose of buying it are:

1. city driving (stop & go traffic)
2. driving from home to work & back
3. grocery shopping on the week-ends
4. dropping off the kids at school
5. driving your parents around
6. picking up your girlfriend at the airport (largest trunk I have seen, with room for TWO full sized luggages and space to spare for the hand carry and some duty free shopping too!)
... you get my drift?

Its simply a perfect urban get-around car. But beyond those, it simply lacks some other aspects of driving.

1. steering wheel give absolutely no feedback from the front wheels
2. cannot see the hood (not really a bad thing but it would make it hard to estimate the distance between you and the next car_
3. lack of engine power (no engine option other than the 1.3) resulting in glacial acceleration at speeds beyond 90kph and with only you sitting in it.
4. overly stiff suspension (although I can hardly fault the car since the car is pretty light to start with and it still has to be able to carry 4 to 5 people onboard)
5. the steering wheel 7 speed gear shifter simply doesn't. It doesn't shift gears when you want it to. All you can do is "suggest" to the tranny and it would take it into consideration.

Simply put, driving the City doesn't feel good. It just makes you feel like you are driving. Its almost like work. And for someone like me who enjoys the driving experience, I dont like it.

A few things that are good with the Honda City. The top-end model has abs and airbags while the Vios lacks much options at all. Exterior styling of the City takes some getting used to but it still can be considered "handsome" in car terms.

[roninblade]

max & ghost :

i prefer the vios, pero kung bibigyan ba ako ng city di ko tatanggihan. eheheh.

tama si ozcity, its just a matter of preference.

[IMm29]

Originally posted by roninblade
max & ghost :

i prefer the vios, pero kung bibigyan ba ako ng city di ko tatanggihan. eheheh.

tama si ozcity, its just a matter of preference.

a oo, kung me magbibigay, tanggapin ang grasya!

[Stuckinstock]

how about price comparison?

any ideas?

=)

[ssaloon]

Prices for City:

Type-A
P 539,000

Type-S
P 569,000 (MT)
P 609,000 (CVT)
P 619,000 (MT with Options)
P 659,000 (CVT with Options)

Prices for City:

1.3E
P 578,000

1.5G
P 643,000 (MT)
P 678,000 (AT)

[mk]

659 k for the top of the line ng city, and 678k yata top of the line ng vios...mas mahal vios pero lacks safety...
i really dont get the logic...city 1.3 abs,srs,airbag , sa vios 1.5 pero walang safety...

[ssaloon]

prices for vios pala yung secod set of figures. mods paki-edit nalang. tnx po

[ozcity]

yung price hindi pa kasama ang insurace diba?
so basically plus 30k-50k pa....

[HBOY]

san ko ba nabasa na yung CVT tranny ng City makes it more efficient thus power loss is less than the A/T tranny of the vios... making the Vios and City more or less equal in WHP.

dont ask me the tech details.. ehehe. nde ko alam ang CVT technology gaano..:P

[Altis6453]

Just a little info...

Both the new Honda City and the Toyota Vios were tested by Autocar Asean Magazine's editors along with the Proton Waja. Here are some excerpts from their tests:

2003 Toyota Vios 1.5G:

The Vios, with the most powerful engine, and weighing the least among the trio, is the enthusiasts choice here. The VVTi engine is a keen rever, partnered with a transmission that is eager to oblige when asked to hustle, while also giving slick shifts and feeling no different from the autobox in more expensive Toyotas.

x x x x x x x x x

The Vios's sportier-than-thou theme is further illustrated by the lower seating position (relative to the City) and the thick-rimmed three spoke steering whee, which provides tangible feedback about what's happening with the front wheels. 185/55 R15 tyres and all around disc brakes help the Vios scrub of speed in a composed fashion, accompanied by a firm, yet reassuring brake pedal feel. Too clever, however, is the centrally-mounted instrument display --- not so much its positioning, but in that it is way too cluttered to properly show all the information clearly and immediately.


2003 Honda City (Note, the model tested sported a 1.5 li engine):

The driveability of the Honda rests squarely on its CVT gearbox. And, what a masterstroke to introduce such technology in a car as important as the City. Yes, there are plenty of good automatics around, but only a good CVT can provide seamless and shockless deliver of power. Add ride comfort and seemingly unflustered by the poorest road surfaces in town, a smooth and quiet eight-valve fourpot, you have a car with astounding levels of refinement for its price. The City won't out-run or out-handle the immediate competition, but when you need to keep up with traffic, you can count on the CVT to keep the engine stirring sweetly in the powerband. Don't bother with the 7-speed manual shift control, though --- it may be fun for awhile, but the novelty wears out pretty quickly.

x x x x x x x x x

On paper, the Vios looks to have the City beat. It's more powerful and better-looking (by general consensus) and probably the preferred car by those who drive. Usually, these factors would mean an easy victory in any shootout. But, in this case, the City runs very close in those areas where the Vios is supposedly superior while soundly beating it in others such as cabin versatility and drivetrain smoothness.

...ladies and gentlemen, you have our winner. It's the Honda City by a nose.

* Excerpts taken from July 2003 issue of AUTOCAR Asean. Article by Denis Wong

[ozcity]

hboy,

sa forum ng motioncars.com yun..teka eto paste ko na lang..



A very good Malaysian review article about the City stated that the 1.5L versions of both models actually puts out almost the same power at the wheels due to the diff. technologies employed for both models. Short summary:

Power at the crank - parasitic losses == Power at the wheels

Toyota Vios 1.5 G A/T:
107 HP (at the crank) - 30% power loss(power lost due to conventional torque-converter equipped slush disc + battery alternator + A/C compressor + power-steering hydraulic pump) == 75 HP (at the wheels)

Honda City-S 1.5 CVT:

88 HP (at the crank) - 16% power loss(alternator + A/C compressor + low power-loss CVT + no power-loss electric servo power-steering) == 74 HP (at the wheels)


It's just too bad Honda Phil. won't be bringing the 1.5L L15A City here.

[April_Ryan]

question. the price of the high end Vios and City is close to the Lynx GSi (1.6, M/T at about P670, A/T at P690). Kung isasama ang Lynx sa equation, what would you prefer?

[ghosthunter]

Vios pa din

[roninblade]

yep, vios pa din since di ko naman gusto mag-AT.

[mk]

mga peeps....may balak bumili dad ko ng vios....which color do you prefer? scarlet fury (maroon) or silver ?