Diesel Sedan: Chevy Cruze 2.0 CRDi or Peugeot 508 1.6 eHDi Allure?

[jigz2009]

Hello. I'm looking at these two: the 2013 chevrolet Cruze 2.0 DOHC CRDi and the Peugeot 508 1.6 eHDi Allure. I haven't test-driven these cars yet since I'm still abroad so I'm stuck in reasearch mode. My budget limit is Php 2M including premium insurances & LTO registration. Main requirements would be the following:

1. Premium Interior.

2. Fuel economy as it will be used as an everyday car in our traffic-congested streets.

3. Comfortable and fun ride.

The chevy Cruze diesel has a Php 1.313M pricetag while the Peugeot 508 1.6 Allure is at Php 1.895M, almost Php 500K+ difference.

Comparing the specs and feature, the Pug 508 has everything the Cruze has plus the following: Engine Start-Stop system, Tire Deflation indicator, Paddle shift, Heads-up display, HID lamps, 18" alloy wheel (Cruze got 17"), 8-speakers (Cruze got 6-speakers), Remote start function, Hill Assist, Hill Descent, Break Assist, Window Sunshades, and power front seats with height adjustments. The Pug 508 is also bigger than the Cruze (similar to camry, Accord, and Mazda6) so rear passenger legroom is also larger.

On the otherhand, the pro's of Chevy is it has a 5-year/100,000 km warranty, lower premium insurance cost, and has more service centers whereas Peugeot's warranty is just a standard 3-year/100,000 km and only got 3 service centers in Metro Manila (although I was informed that they will be opening 1 more branch possibly in Q.C.).

Do you think the additional Php 500K+ additional features of the Pug 508 is worth it? Honestly, I can do away without paddle shifter since I don't plan to race drive in expressways. I'm also intrigued in the e-HDi start-stop system whether if it really cut your fuel consumption.

I also understand that Chevy and Peugeot will definitely have low resale value compared to popular brands. I really don't mind at all because I will be using the for at least 8-10 years or so.

Your inputs and opinions, especially those who had firsthand experience with these cars, will be very much appreciated. thanks!

[victorevolution]

get the Peugeot chevy cruze are problematic same with the spark

woth a 1.3m price tag i'd rather get the monty

but since were talking about a sedan get the Peugeot

[dr. d]

a camry or accord. and just close your eyes when you have to fill 'er up.. heh heh.

errr.. what does fun ride mean to you? to me, it means a comfortable, smooth ride..

[jigz2009]

* dr. d - yeah same as yours: smooth ride and a feeling of "not getting tired/bored of your car even after more than 5 years driving it" something like that.

Yeah I considered the Camry, Accords, Mazda 6, and Sonata. But being gas-fed, and the ever rising price petrol, yeah mapapapikit siguro ako sa gas station hehehe.

[Calistro]

No idea how these cars fare up, but have you considered a 2014 Skyactiv Mazda6 sir? The CX5s been getting positive feedback from owners in the forum.

[jigz2009]

those are petrol sedan, unfortunately.

[numbah5]

I'd get the Peugeot over the Diesel Cruze anytime. I've driven it before. Peugeot is known for making some of the best diesel engines (the superb diesel engine of the previous Ford Focus was a joint collaboration of Ford and Peugeot). Plus you're going to drive a European diesel sedan, which is very refined.

Get the 2.0 HDi Allure if I were you. I'm not a fan of the automatically controlled manual transmission of the 1.6 HDi variants of Peugeot. It jerks upon shifting and it feels it lacks the oomph that you'll expect on a torquey diesel engine. The 2.0 HDi Allure variant has a traditional automatic transmission which has smoother shifting and gives you that oomph while overtaking. It costs 1.995M pesos only, pasok pa sa budget mo. Matipid rin naman.

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[jut703]

It would take roughly 5 years before the price difference of the Mazda 6 and 508 is offset by the fuel savings (200k sticker price difference vs 36k fuel savings annually).That doesn't even include the cheaper maintenance due to Yojin 3 and the generally better availability of Jap parts over French parts.

In 5 years, you might be ready to sell already.

Point is, you shouldn't get the diesel only because of the mindset that it's cheaper to own, because in reality, it's not.


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[numbah5]

It would take roughly 5 years before the price difference of the Mazda 6 and 508 is offset by the fuel savings (200k sticker price difference vs 36k fuel savings annually).That doesn't even include the cheaper maintenance due to Yojin 3 and the generally better availability of Jap parts over French parts.

In 5 years, you might be ready to sell already.

Point is, you shouldn't get the diesel only because of the mindset that it's cheaper to own, because in reality, it's not.


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Sir sabi ni TS, he'll keep the car for 8-10 years kaya ok lang sa kanya ang Peugeot. So far naman, my friend's 11 month 508 2.0 Allure has not given him and his family some problems. Tsaka he was saying that the PMS costs is just the same as that of the Japanese and Korean diesels. One of the best car buying decisions he's ever made according to him. Hmmm, makes me want to convince my family to get the Expert Tepee van once it is launched this January.

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[niky]

The 508 1.6 will only really save you money on the highway, where the Mazda6 maxes out at 18-20 where the 508 1.6 hits the 25 km/l region. In traffic, the Mazda6's stop-start system keeps economy in the 8-10 km/l region in traffic. The 1.6 will likely be at around 10-12 km/l or so... not a huge difference.

Calculating this at 8 km/l for the Mazda6 (1.705m) and 10 for the Pug (1.895m) (that's being generous), with unleaded at 55 and diesel at 45...

50,000 kms
Mazda6 1,705,000 + 343,750 = 2,048,750
Peugeot 508 1,895,000 + 225,000 = 2,120,000

100,000 kms
Mazda6 1,705,000 + 687,500 = 2,392,500
Peugeot 508 1,895,000 + 450,000 = 2,345,000

Ergo... break-even at 100,000 kms.

But that doesn't take into account the higher insurance premium for the Peugeot (insurance premiums depend on initial price) or the higher cost of maintenance (shorter intervals for diesel, more oil, because turbo, and Yojin-3.... meaning first few years for Mazda6 are free).

Plus, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. The Mazda6 is fully loaded and faster than the 508 1.6. If I recall right, it's also faster than the 508 2.0. The 508 hits 100 km/h in under 11 seconds. The Mazda6 can do it in under 9. And it has terrific steering. And handling. And looks...

[bjreyesmd]

If the mazda 6 can churn out 8km a liter in traffic, thats pretty good. That will definitely offset the diesel advantage. But once a gas fed car gets below 6km a liter, then the fuel savings in 100,000 kms vs a diesel one would reach 400k which is significant

[romeocharlie]

TS is blinded by the diesel fuel "efficiency" logic...


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[jigz2009]

* Sir numbah05 - hello Sir President. Hehehe Trailblazer LTZ 4x4 na nga sana bibilhin ko kaso umaalma yung misis at erpats ko. Saka na raw ako bumili ng SUV, gusto nila sedan. Ayaw magdrive ng malaking sasakyan. Now regarding sa Pug 508, yeah I saw the PMS figures from 5k to 100k and indeed its comparable to a Toyota. However, you also mentioned of the jerking 1.6. Minus points yun. I want to consider the 2.0 sana kaso strictly 2M lang including insurance and LTO reg.

* Sir niky - thanks for the very constructive inputs. Just checked the Mazda 6 datasheet, almost had an orgasm hehehe. May engine idling din pala yung Mazda 6 like the Peugeot. Yung Kia Optima maganda rin yung mags nga lang parang takip ng manhole.

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So now my choices are Peugeot 508 1.6 Allure, Mazda 6, Kia Optima, Hyundai Sonata 2.4 Premium, Volkswagen Jetti 2.0 TDI. Lalong sumakit ulo ko hehehe..

OUt: Chevy Cruze 2.0 diesel (too many bad reviews), Subaru Legacy GT (exceeds 2M), Accord (exceeds 2M), Camry (non-Toyota car for me for a change).

[numbah5]

* Sir numbah05 - hello Sir President. Hehehe Trailblazer LTZ 4x4 na nga sana bibilhin ko kaso umaalma yung misis at erpats ko. Saka na raw ako bumili ng SUV, gusto nila sedan. Ayaw magdrive ng malaking sasakyan. Now regarding sa Pug 508, yeah I saw the PMS figures from 5k to 100k and indeed its comparable to a Toyota. However, you also mentioned of the jerking 1.6. Minus points yun. I want to consider the 2.0 sana kaso strictly 2M lang including insurance and LTO reg.

* Sir niky - thanks for the very constructive inputs. Just checked the Mazda 6 datasheet, almost had an orgasm hehehe. May engine idling din pala yung Mazda 6 like the Peugeot. Yung Kia Optima maganda rin yung mags nga lang parang takip ng manhole.

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So now my choices are Peugeot 508 1.6 Allure, Mazda 6, Kia Optima, Hyundai Sonata 2.4 Premium, Volkswagen Jetti 2.0 TDI. Lalong sumakit ulo ko hehehe..

OUt: Chevy Cruze 2.0 diesel (too many bad reviews), Subaru Legacy GT (exceeds 2M), Accord (exceeds 2M), Camry (non-Toyota car for me for a change).

Makakapaghintay naman ang SUV eh. Maybe you can cross out the Peugeot if you will insist on the 1.6 HDi. You will regret if you will push through with that engine. Maybe you can stretch out a bit more pa para yung 2.0 HDi na bibilhin mo. And who knows baka gawing free na LTO reg and TPL mo ng Peugeot dealer

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[glntVR]

* Sir numbah05 - hello Sir President. Hehehe Trailblazer LTZ 4x4 na nga sana bibilhin ko kaso umaalma yung misis at erpats ko. Saka na raw ako bumili ng SUV, gusto nila sedan. Ayaw magdrive ng malaking sasakyan. Now regarding sa Pug 508, yeah I saw the PMS figures from 5k to 100k and indeed its comparable to a Toyota. However, you also mentioned of the jerking 1.6. Minus points yun. I want to consider the 2.0 sana kaso strictly 2M lang including insurance and LTO reg.

* Sir niky - thanks for the very constructive inputs. Just checked the Mazda 6 datasheet, almost had an orgasm hehehe. May engine idling din pala yung Mazda 6 like the Peugeot. Yung Kia Optima maganda rin yung mags nga lang parang takip ng manhole.

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So now my choices are Peugeot 508 1.6 Allure, Mazda 6, Kia Optima, Hyundai Sonata 2.4 Premium, Volkswagen Jetti 2.0 TDI. Lalong sumakit ulo ko hehehe..

OUt: Chevy Cruze 2.0 diesel (too many bad reviews), Subaru Legacy GT (exceeds 2M), Accord (exceeds 2M), Camry (non-Toyota car for me for a change).

Those are nice choices, for me solid choice would be the Mazda 6. The Hyundai Sonata is nice but it doesn't age so well for me. Also, check out the discounts for the Accord, last time I checked you can get the V6 for the price of the 2.4. Lots of savings you can use for gassing up.

[victorevolution]

the game has changed
for me it will either be the french vs mazda6

if mazda still offers their free pms, i will glaldly take it in a heartbeat. why? - it is simply the best

hyundai- A BIG NO

don't be glamorized by those 5 year warranty since chevy(except sa tbz) never honored that 5 year warranty(the original franchiser that is and still continuing to dishonor some warranty of sparks and cruze(current version by the new franchise holder as reported here in tsikot))- same story with hyundai

Peugeot- though they are not a problematic car (in europe, that is) and has a similar status as a toyota (again in europe) for it's durability, we simply have no idea if it can withstand the philippine condition (extreme heat and rain plus a couple of pot holes) and if in case it breaks down... the logistic of buying those spare parts which is more expensive

in one french movie (taxi) a Peugeot was pitted against a mitsubishi (evo and it's successor in the succeeding successful movie which hollywood made a blunder of by making a remake)- in my opinion it is a statement by the french car manufacturer that our car is tough and as fast as their japanese counterparts

[Egan101]

Checkout a nearby Honda dealer (Ayala group) as they are offering big discounts on both the 2.4L and 3.5L Accord models. The last time I checked, they were offering 250k off and that is taken out of your DP. The discount brings down the price to 1.5M for the 2.4L model and 1.8M for the 3.5L model.

A few months back, Motor Image offered 300k discount on the Legacy GT sedan and 250k off the Legacy GT wagon.

[numbah5]

I'm here at Peugeot Quirino Avenue. They've stocked enough parts for all their vehicles, I'm inside their parts room right now. Looks like EDI wants to debunk the notion that parts for Peugeot is not readily available.

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[jigz2009]

Hello Mga Sir. Finally, I got myself a .... MAZDA 6!

It's been a pleasure reading all your tips. I'll be posting a review thread soon but for the meantime, it will be honeymoon stage between me and my M6.

Merry Christmas and a blessed new year to you all!

[crazy_boy]

Congrats on your new ride! Give us a feedback on the FC/i-stop system.

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