Mitsubishi Adventure GLS vs. Isuzu Crosswind XL

[badkuk]

Hi peeps,

Alin kaya mas OK?

For 795k the Adventure GLS has a better interior and a few toys, but a weaker (non-turbo)engine. On the other hand, the comments so far is that driving comfort and handling are better.


The Crosswind has a better engine(a bit more HP/torque, better FC -- something like 12-13km/L compared to the Adventure's 9.5km/L), but the inside is pretty bare(not a big deal for me actually)...but the general consensus is that handling is not that good -- i.e. tends to pitch/lean over when making sharp turns. Granted i'm not gonna be drag racing anyone on either vehicle, imho better handling could save you from accidents/rolling over.


Maintenance wise, i think the Adventure could be cheaper. Are Isuzu parts expensive?


Comments? tia

[renzo_d10]

badkuk, the car will be used for what ?

if it's for business purposes only then, the Isuzu will suffice.

But if you're going to use it as a family vehicle, forget the crosswind ... get the adventure.

[badkuk]

definitely di siya exclusively for hauling stuff; if it were, might as well go for an L300 B) Something sana that drives like a car(or some semblance of it) while having the capacity to haul stuff/people around.

i just read the crosswind review over at motioncars; though me turbo nga, performance is of a typical old school diesel pa rin.

[Gerbo]

The XL Crosswind feels "very bare". Adventure GLS is better, IMO.

[digitel]

Ok din naman ang adventure eh, medyo masikip nga lang compared sa crosswind. Pero mas matibay engine ng crosswind. Isuzu parts are not that expensive. We have two isuzu vehicles, normal maintenance lang din naman ang mga ginagawa dun, kasi matibay eh. hehehe.

[lui]

imho overprized ang mga crosswind. mas maganda pa kahit adventure GLX power window, steering and side mirror(745k) kesa croswind XL.

[p_borj]

not for hauling and more for private use so go for Adventure na. I mean, sa Crosswind kasi, more of like parang truck na talaga siya hehe kapag na-drive mo (trust me on this one).

[tidus1203]

Innova J. Maskin low end sya its still more modern and comfortable than the two dinosaurs (more than 10 years old na yung car, pero pilit parin binebenta ganun talaga ang RP car market very immature)... Just get the VVTi its not that bad fuel efficiency wise...

[XTO]

GLS over XL ako dito but yun nga lang in exchange of comfort and some added features like power features iba pa rin ang hatak ng crosswind esp on lower gears though mas meron ang advie sa dulo.

Super tipid ang crosswind, yung akin, mag 10 years na 12.++ kms/L pa rin sa city - ibig sabihin wala pa problema, tibay pang ilalim and walang steering shaft issue/s or anything, 14" rim for XL but with 6 studs compared to 5 stud bolts ng competitors.

14" Ventilated Discs / 14" Drums sa brakes for crosswind compared to 13" and 10" leading and trailing drums - ito na lang muna

[badkuk]

Innova J. Maskin low end sya its still more modern and comfortable than the two dinosaurs (more than 10 years old na yung car, pero pilit parin binebenta ganun talaga ang RP car market very immature)... Just get the VVTi its not that bad fuel efficiency wise...

out of curiosity, what's the average FC?

[roberto_minosa]

out of curiosity, what's the average FC?

8km/L with a lead foot like mine. But with mom around, I get around 9.5, possibly 10 or 10.5. BTW, I live in Bulacan, so I go through the NLEX pretty much all the time.

Get the Adventure! Your family and your butt will thank you for it.

[badkuk]

hmm, lately ko lang napansin that the adventure's engine is still distributor type, compared to the xwind's direct injection, turbocharged engine. while both engines are quite old, doesn't the direct injection fuel system have an edge, emissions-wise?

[XTO]

ulit, 4d56 is indirect injection against 4ja-1's direct injection design
4d56 may glow plugs, 4ja wala kaya tipid sa battery and no need to pre-heat, subok na yan ng mga crosswind owners

An indirect injection diesel engine delivers fuel into a chamber off the combustion chamber, called a prechamber, where combustion begins and then spreads into the main combustion chamber. The prechamber is carefully designed to ensure adequate mixing of the atomized fuel with the compression-heated air. This has the effect of slowing the rate of combustion, which tends to reduce audible noise and softens the shock of combustion and produces lower stresses on the engine components. The addition of a prechamber, however, increases heat loss to the cooling system and thereby lowers engine efficiency and requiring glow plugs for starting. In an indirect injection system the fuel/air mixing occurs with the air moving fast. This simplifies injector design and allows the use of smaller engines and less tightly toleranced designs which are simpler to manufacture and more reliable.

Direct injection, by contrast, uses slow-moving air and fast-moving fuel; both the design and manufacture of the injectors is more difficult, the optimisation of the in-cylinder air flow is much more difficult than designing a prechamber, and there is much more integration between the design of the injector and that of the engine it is to be used in.[1] It is for this reason that car diesel engines were almost all indirect injection until the ready availability of powerful CFD simulation systems made the adoption of direct injection practical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirect_injection

[badkuk]

sir XTO, kumusta naman handling ng xwind? Pagkasabi kasi it "drives like a tub" ayon sa motioncars....that to me would make it more prone to rolling over and such.

[roberto_minosa]

Dad's first Crosswind (XTRM) rolled over when the driver avoided a parked truck on a curve's shoulder. Handling really sucks. Excessive body roll and pitch, crappy brakes, too bouncy. It'll be ok if you're not planning on racing. Heh. The Adventure feels a bit more planted, but having smaller, narrower wheels and tires won't help handling.

[tidus1203]

Handles like a tub!! Tawa naman ako...

[XTO]

sir XTO, kumusta naman handling ng xwind? Pagkasabi kasi it "drives like a tub" ayon sa motioncars....that to me would make it more prone to rolling over and such.

Rolling will definitely depends on the driver's action in relation to the car's capacity at a certain speed. Mine is the first version 2001 medyo same as XTi on the current crosswind line-up. It has a 15" alloy rims with 205/65 compared to the XL's 14" steel 185/80. Handling in sweeping corner is much better compared to the taller, heavier XUV/Sportivo. Tire type will also help kaya binabawi ko na lang sa magandang klaseng tire.

Nga pala, maraming critics ang Crosswind hehe :question:

[Gerbo]

Just a thought....

The local Honda dealer here has a Crosswind XL service vehicle.

[silverend]

personally i think these two vehicles are ridiculously PRICED, just dont seem WORTH BUYING to me..save a bit and go for MS or FORT,just my advice.

[tidus1203]

Yeah especially yung high end Sportivo nasa 1.2M??? WTF!!! A high end Innova V with all the works is less than P1.2M!!!! I think motioncars.com said it best. The Crosswind is like movie sequels. The 1st movie was good, the 2nd was probably also good. But since the movie keeps on making money they just continue to CASH IN. As long as may victims (aka buyers) na kakagat, tuloy tuloy ang pag gagawa ng reruns (aka facelifts) tapos itataas ang presyo na sa totoo lang has been the same car for more than 10 years. Probably even more kasi Hi-Lander days pa yan...

Same with the Adventure, puro na lang sequels and re-runs!