Hyundai Grand Starex vs. Toyota Super Grandia

[scharnhorst]

*medyo* mabigat na yung innova pag full load (7 people with cargo). I guess mas mararamdaman yun sa super grandia.

which of them has captain's chairs? yun nalang yun!

kung mas malaki pa budget, previa!

[ronw123w124]

We have both the Super Grandia and the Grand Starex in our family, the Super Grandia is being used by my brother and his family and they are very happy with it. (its driver driven 99% of the time) While I opted for the Grand Starex CVX and I am very satisfied with it and love its car like performance (its driven by me 95% of the time). Having driven both vans, my vote goes to the Grand Starex for a number of reasons:

1. I feel very unsafe driving a flat-nosed van, with the Starex I feel safer knowing that the engine is in front of me rather than under my seat, at least there is the extra "crush space" in the event of a collision.

2. Driving the Grandia is akin to driving an Isuzu Elf while driving a Starex is like driving car or a mid sized SUV.

3. 102hp for the Grandia and 174hp for the Grand Starex, I guess its pretty obvious who's got a lot more muscle.

But if ever you decide to go for the Grand Starex, I suggest you go with the HVX instead of the HARI issued Gold series. The Gray Market simply offers more value for the money with the added features. I was also in a dilemma about a year ago when I was about to buy a Grand Starex, after looking at both the offerings from HARI and the Gray Market alike, I ended up with the CVX model from Pitstop Motors, no regrets at all.

[scharnhorst]

Here's a couple of non-technical points

1)The Grand Starex, kung galing sa HARI, comes with 5 years warranty standard... this can either be a good thing, kung matino talaga yung dealership, or a not-so-good thing kung stealership yung napuntahan.

2)As it stands mas mataas pa rin yung resale value ng mga toyota over hyundais.

then a couple of concerns

1) May nabasa akong thread dito na yung Grand Starex nagdevelop na ng squeaks (bumigay na yung mga bushing) after just around 2000 km of driving in rough visayan roads (nakalimutan ko kung sa Leyte/Samar ba to o sa Panay.)

2) Are there still 2.5 liter D-4D's dying on the road? Hindi naman nangyari sa innova namin to, pero malaking concern yan dati dun sa unang generation ng innovas, fortuners, at hilux.

eto last OT na talaga.

*whitebug45: no harm meant, no harm done. so kelan ba lalabas yung diesel tucson dito? how about yung i20?

sir scharnhorst.

ndi rin po cguro tinatamad yung mga denso users.
ksi yung 3.0 na fortuner, 163ps lang. yung montero sport na 3.2, 160ps lang.
compared nmn po sa 2.5 ng GS Crdi 170 ps. yung navara 2.5, 174.

tska ndi nmn po cgro ktmadan yung gnwa ng toyota sa innova/hiace/fortuner 2.5 eh 102ps lng? sa laki po ng mga katawan nun.dpt my gwin cla. toyta p nmn din cla

yung navara po bosch po dw sbi skn ng kakilala ko na tga columbian/universal motors mechanic.

Hmmm. to put the matter to rest... I searched for the injector pressures for the bosch and denso systems.

The third generation BOSCH system generates 1800 bar of pressure. this is equivalent to 180 megapascals

The third generation DENSO system can generate 180 megapascals... and up to 200 megapascals of pressure.

So. More or less, equal diba? Both systems are probably Piezo-type, hindi na solenoids.

Therein lies my point that the power output differences lies not in the "superiority" of bosch over denso, but rather the engine tuning of the individual manufacturers

by your logic, then every engine made by Honda after the B15a (in the Civic SiR-1600 cc, 160 hp) should make at least 1 hp per 10 cc of displacement. Edi dapat 200 hp yung 2.0 civic ngayon. Dapat 180 hp yung 1.8 civic. Dapat 230 hp yung CR-V. pero hindi diba?

It's because of how manufacturers tune and set up the engines.
manufacturers tune or detune their engines based on the need to create a compromise between power, torque, fuel economy, manufacturing complexity, and manufacturing cost.

There are alot of other factors to include in engine output. Fuel-air mixture, compression ratio, turbocharger pressure, and air intake temperature just to name a few.

As I said earlier. kung lagyan mo ng unichip yung innova, tapos salpakan mo ng garrett na turbo at intercooler, sobrang lalakas talaga yung makina nyan. Yun nga lang kelangan mo ng datung para gawin yon

As it stands, the koreans have chosen to go to the cutting edge when it comes to setting up their engines, in contrast to the "conservatives".

ayt! peace mga ser!

Happy New Year!

[kjcc0012]

sir scharnhorst ky sir saberRider po pla dpt yung post na yun. pasensya na po. opo. Peace po tayong lahat. maganda nga po ang nangyayari dito ksi s nagitong mga forum kht papano my posibilidad n mayanig natin yung mga carmakers na magaupgrade. tulad yung sa toyota. dpat my gwin sila. 102ps lang nilagay nila s fortuner 2.5? maski sa malaking SG?. ok nmn ang makina kso sana i upgrade nila. db? laki2 ng katawan eh.Milya2 nmn din tlga ksi ang difference. eh ang mahal kaya ng presyo nila. eh ang hyundai/kia nbbgay nila yung gnung kalakas na engine eh kaparehas nmn halos ng presyo ng toyota SG.

peace po tayo mga sir.

Happy New year and GOD bless!

[s_quilicot]

sir scharnhorst ky sir saberRider po pla dpt yung post na yun. pasensya na po. opo. Peace po tayong lahat. maganda nga po ang nangyayari dito ksi s nagitong mga forum kht papano my posibilidad n mayanig natin yung mga carmakers na magaupgrade. tulad yung sa toyota. dpat my gwin sila. 102ps lang nilagay nila s fortuner 2.5? maski sa malaking SG?. ok nmn ang makina kso sana i upgrade nila. db? laki2 ng katawan eh.Milya2 nmn din tlga ksi ang difference. eh ang mahal kaya ng presyo nila. eh ang hyundai/kia nbbgay nila yung gnung kalakas na engine eh kaparehas nmn halos ng presyo ng toyota SG.

peace po tayo mga sir.

Happy New year and GOD bless!

You had been warned numerous times already about your format!!!

[Eriche]

its nice to hear that if you put unichip or intercooler turbo or turbocharger would increase the power but the fact is they are not putting onto it... we should have to compare whats on its unit... if we going to considered as putting what your thinking then it would be modified and its cost too much don't you think? lets talk what's on the list... not on modifying... hope you understand guys... any manufacturer can do that. thats why they were having a racing contest but their car was modified!hope you'll understand guys...

[hominid]

Here's a couple of non-technical points
1) May nabasa akong thread dito na yung Grand Starex nagdevelop na ng squeaks (bumigay na yung mga bushing) after just around 2000 km of driving in rough visayan roads (nakalimutan ko kung sa Leyte/Samar ba to o sa Panay.)

For best comparizon, get that driver and let him drive a Hi-Ace, same route, same driving style. Tingnan natin kung hindi magdevelop ng squeks.

[hominid]

Related din pala sa discussion na ito:

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=72

[scharnhorst]

*Erich: sorry for the OT, pero yung technologies and design aspects behind both vehicles' engines yung napag usapan the past few pages. hope you gained something from the discussion

ALL cars will have problems. Wear and tear, and other serendipitous events will cause those problems. You'll just have to be diligent in maintenance of the car.

What to watch out for are innate defects (like the killer accelerator pedals in the US toyotas) and lemon units.

Kung meron mang kotseng perfectly reliable, and maintenance free, well, agawan tayo para makakuha ng ganung unit.

For best comparizon, get that driver and let him drive a Hi-Ace, same route, same driving style. Tingnan natin kung hindi magdevelop ng squeks.

As I said, extreme situation naman yun. you could ask s_quilicot for the details.

and the GS clearly deserves the award it garnered.

[weisshorn]

Maybe OT paki transfer na lang po mga mods if ever.

Sa mga nakaraang talakayan ay nababanggit ang euro2, euro4 at may nagsasabi na dirty fuel dito sa atin.

Hindi po ba parehas lang refining process ng diesel fuel, ang pinagkaiba lang ay ang percentage ng sulfur content by volume? The lesser the sulfur the higher euro compliance ang makakamit?

Kung marumi ang diesel e.g. water, sludge, metal and other impurities content siguro ay dahil na rin sa kung saan nag-originate ang crude oil (crude oil from gulf of mexico usually vanadium & silicon content is high). Mode of transport ng diesel oil ay isa sa mga dahilan ng marumi at matubig na diesel natin. Minsan kasi ginagamit ang sea water as priming medium sa mga oil tanker during stripping/pumping operation. Sa ganitong situation, hindi lang new engine with newer technology ang affected, affected na rin kahit ang mga old school diesel engine like 4JA1 ng isuzu. Kung ang mga old diesel engine ay nagsurvive bakit may nagsasabi na masisira ang crdi designed engine? Parehas lang ang old and new engines na may fuel filter, kung marumi ang fuel ay parehas lang din nababara at magiging problema di po ba? Ang malaking pinagkaiba ay ang particulate filter (a must for euro emission compliance) which quite expensive na nakakabit sa crdi na makina.

Parang malayo sa topic regarding GS & SG pero sa malalim na pagsusuri ito related kasi parehas silang diesel engine powered. Alin ba sa dalawa ang mag survive sa present diesel oil quality ngayon dito sa Pilipinas.

Paging mga gurus, please enlighten me more. Thanks in advance po. Happy New Year To All.

[blue_gambit]

Dito ka rin pala sir, you'd be surrprised at how clean it is

Maybe OT paki transfer na lang po mga mods if ever.

Sa mga nakaraang talakayan ay nababanggit ang euro2, euro4 at may nagsasabi na dirty fuel dito sa atin.

Hindi po ba parehas lang refining process ng diesel fuel, ang pinagkaiba lang ay ang percentage ng sulfur content by volume? The lesser the sulfur the higher euro compliance ang makakamit?

Kung marumi ang diesel e.g. water, sludge, metal and other impurities content siguro ay dahil na rin sa kung saan nag-originate ang crude oil (crude oil from gulf of mexico usually vanadium & silicon content is high). Mode of transport ng diesel oil ay isa sa mga dahilan ng marumi at matubig na diesel natin. Minsan kasi ginagamit ang sea water as priming medium sa mga oil tanker during stripping/pumping operation. Sa ganitong situation, hindi lang new engine with newer technology ang affected, affected na rin kahit ang mga old school diesel engine like 4JA1 ng isuzu. Kung ang mga old diesel engine ay nagsurvive bakit may nagsasabi na masisira ang crdi designed engine? Parehas lang ang old and new engines na may fuel filter, kung marumi ang fuel ay parehas lang din nababara at magiging problema di po ba? Ang malaking pinagkaiba ay ang particulate filter (a must for euro emission compliance) which quite expensive na nakakabit sa crdi na makina.

Parang malayo sa topic regarding GS & SG pero sa malalim na pagsusuri ito related kasi parehas silang diesel engine powered. Alin ba sa dalawa ang mag survive sa present diesel oil quality ngayon dito sa Pilipinas.

Paging mga gurus, please enlighten me more. Thanks in advance po. Happy New Year To All.

[dagol]

which do you think is much better?
thanks a lot....its for our future reference

Super grandia is intended merely for Asian market as the body will surely not pass in Europe.What is available here is the wedge type for safety reason of course, and better aero dynamics for more acceptable fuel economy. The Grand starex(H-1) on the other hand,is available in europe,so safety wise,this is much better option than the super grandia IMHO. Reliability? time will tell.

[jces]

ok na rn ba kahit starex na tci?

[mda]

The TCI is lacking a few features (passenger airbag).

Power is comparable to the hiace kasi old engine na.

Yung VGT yung malakas

[attorney]

I had a 2009 starex crd and sold it after 2 years. Its a perfect van but the suspension is still very weak in the sense that i had to change shocks and other underchasis parts in less than 2 yrs and then after awhile balik nanaman ang noise so i sold it instead of spending again. I only have hyundai casa repair it.

Then after, i got a super grandia. Its the best even if the engine is underseat its not that noisy and not that hot. No problems at all. The driver drives it 95% of the time so i wouldnt mind that it doesnt have a "nose".

[rna800]

I had a 2009 starex crd and sold it after 2 years. Its a perfect van but the suspension is still very weak in the sense that i had to change shocks and other underchasis parts in less than 2 yrs and then after awhile balik nanaman ang noise so i sold it instead of spending again. I only have hyundai casa repair it.

Then after, i got a super grandia. Its the best even if the engine is underseat its not that noisy and not that hot. No problems at all. The driver drives it 95% of the time so i wouldnt mind that it doesnt have a "nose".

Thanks for this input, sir.

Actually this is my concern considering how bad our roads here. Just a week of rain and it's like driving on the moon with so many potholes and craters on the road. Add to that those big and sharp rumble strips, I am afraid how long can the suspension of a GS take that beating. I have a Dmax and at more than 5 yrs old, walang katunog tunog, walang lagutok until now and it will pass those potholes like they are not even there.hehe Un lang matagtag and firm and that was the same feeling when I rode in a SG and Grandia.

In fact that's the same thing with my aunt's. Palagi daw tumutunog ung part sa may suspension. Kaya sabi niya ang bilis masira. Her's is also maintained in the dealership.

[Starex_Gold]

Anong difference?

Alam ko rin kasi same lang. Naka rib tyre at makipot yun goma ng GL Grandia

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Toyota San Fernando Pampanga Inc. - Hiace

[lowslowbenz]

^

Ok 2.5 lang.

[rna800]

Ung Commuter pala ung hindi ko nagustuhan ang ride, hindi ung Grandia. Ang sikip, very uncomfortable unless you are seating infront.