Honda CRV 2.0S CVT vs Mazda CX-5 FWD 2.0 Pro vs Subaru XV 2.0i-S

**dr. d** · October 10th, 2017 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Egan101

^^^ I have no idea where all this CVT scare is coming from but CVTs nowadays are much better than those 10-15 years ago. CVT issues before maybe attributed to system unreliability but a lot are caused by poor maintenance.

...what cvt scare...?

**ieddam** · October 10th, 2017 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by GTcervan

Care to elaborate why? I mean if there is something wrong with a car that has cvt in that price range...

Nothing wrong with a cvt in any price range, especially now they are as reliable as a traditional automatic. It's just my personal preference that if I'm shelling out above 1 million pesos, I'd prefer if it had a manual or a traditional automatic.

**minicarph** · October 11th, 2017 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

...what cvt scare...?

ano kaya costume ni fafa *CVT sa halloween

**GTcervan** · October 11th, 2017 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by ieddam

Nothing wrong with a cvt in any price range, especially now they are as reliable as a traditional automatic. It's just my personal preference that if I'm shelling out above 1 million pesos, I'd prefer if it had a manual or a traditional automatic.

Hmm, that's interesting. I've been also thinking why there are no cvts yet for new diesels these days. Could have something to do with the powerband or torque of the engine.

**Egan101** · October 11th, 2017 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by GTcervan

Could have something to do with the powerband or torque of the engine.

Not really. Subaru uses CVT for their 2.0L turbo engines and they have torque output similar to turbo diesel engines at even more power.

**GTcervan** · October 11th, 2017 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Egan101

Not really. Subaru uses CVT for their 2.0L turbo engines and they have torque output similar to turbo diesel engines at even more power.

Well, that gas engine is a different story. It produces power at higher rpms whereas most turbodiesels crank out maximum torque at relatively low rpms.

**niky** · October 11th, 2017 01:28 PM

Subaru CVTs are hit-or-miss.

The 2.5 turbo in the XT, the 3.6 liter boxer-sixes and the new 2.0 turbo in the WRX all feature CVTs with higher torque capabilities and extra transmission coolers to take the strain.

At the low-end, the base 2.0s don't heat up their trannies much.

Mid-range... have experienced issues with the CVT for the 1.6T and the 2.5. They suffer from extra heat in traffic, and don't have the additional cooling the big boys get.

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Also, if the boys at the office are posting the comparo, that indicates that they've received questions about comparing these cars (hey, I've seen much weirder). While size-wise, it's apples to oranges, they're all crossovers selling in that price range, and buyers will definitely be thinking about them. The Fozzie starts at nearly 1.6m, so sort of a mismatch. (pero kung monthly amortization pag-uusapan, almost no difference)

**Egan101** · October 11th, 2017 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by GTcervan

Well, that gas engine is a different story. It produces power at higher rpms whereas most turbodiesels crank out maximum torque at relatively low rpms.

Torque peak for the Subaru 2.0L turbo is available between 2k to 5k rpm. You don't need to rev it high.

*Niky - the base Fozzie starts around 1.4M. Cheaper than either the CRV 2.0S or CX5 Pro 2.0L.

**ale828** · October 11th, 2017 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by ieddam

Nothing wrong with a cvt in any price range, especially now they are as reliable as a traditional automatic. It's just my personal preference that if I'm shelling out above 1 million pesos, I'd prefer if it had a manual or a traditional automatic.

Are there still a lot of cars offering a traditional Automatic in lets say above the 1-2M price range? i think only the pick-ups and PPV carry the traditional automatics.
Most of the cars in the above 1-2M mark seem to carry the newer more sophisticated Automatics like dual clutch, CVT, DSG, etc.

**jut703** · October 11th, 2017 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by ale828

Are there still a lot of cars offering a traditional Automatic in lets say above the 1-2M price range? i think only the pick-ups and PPV carry the traditional automatics.
Most of the cars in the above 1-2M mark seem to carry the newer more sophisticated Automatics like dual clutch, CVT, DSG, etc.

All Mazdas, Kias, and Hyundais still use traditional ATs. Ford has also shunned the DCT and went back to the 6AT for the Escape and Focus so they're all old-school slushbox above 1M. Then there's the Camry, RAV4, Accord, and so on.

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