Honda Civic vs Toyota Innova

[jojoR]

Not a comparison but a drag competition



I was initially leaning for the Civic. D4D power!

[Egan101]

The new Innova just has more power and torque, even negating the weight disadvantage.

With the Civic 1.5L VTEC Turbo, the results will be different.


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[jut703]

Yeah have experienced this several times even in real-world driving. A powerful diesel PPV (i.e. 2.8 Fort, 2.4 Monty, 3.0 MUX, 2.8 TB) will overtake quicker than a 1.8 Civic. The CVT also doesn't like being floored - it prefers a gradual press so you stay at the 5500-6000 rpm torque peak rather than the 6700 rpm redline.

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[Deestone]

If they use the old 2.5D4-D Innova engine will the result be the same?

[Egan101]

If they use the old 2.5D4-D Innova engine will the result be the same?

Nope. It is not as potent as the newer 2.8L turbo diesel.


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[Yatta]

Experienced this first hand. My Sorento vs 86. Subok lang with my friend. Both tuned by Speedlab. First few hundred meters mauuna ako pero sa dulo iiwanan na ako.

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[dr. d]

sabikonangabah!

hey wifey! mas ma-arangkada daw si innova...!

heh heh.

[Egan101]

Experienced this first hand. My Sorento vs 86. Subok lang with my friend. Both tuned by Speedlab. First few hundred meters mauuna ako pero sa dulo iiwanan na ako.

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With almost the same output between a Sorento 2.2L turbo diesel against an 86 with its 2.0L NA, big disparity in weight puts the 86 in a big advantage.


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[ronki]

That's one fast tito car.

Just solidified my next car choice.

[Egan101]

That's one fast tito car.

Just solidified my next car choice.

If you want a quicker and faster Tito car, look no further than an FXT. Even in stock mode, you’re looking at 7+ seconds on a 0-100kmh sprint. Tune it further and you’re looking at around 300hp/400Nm.


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[ronki]

If you want a quicker and faster Tito car, look no further than an FXT. Even in stock mode, you’re looking at 7+ seconds on a 0-100kmh sprint. Tune it further and you’re looking at around 300hp/400Nm.


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I've driven one, and yes, feels so good, no doubt.

Fuel consumption is a bum, though.

[Yatta]

With almost the same output between a Sorento 2.2L turbo diesel against an 86 with its 2.0L NA, big disparity in weight puts the 86 in a big advantage.


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I got more than twice the torque though, and both it and power come very early. But in the end talo pa rin ako.

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[babkalakal]

so with that in mind ano lang ang advantage ng CVT against modern torque converter automatics (which are becoming very good nowadays)?

smoother? though some people do not like the cvt characteristic of droning and staying at relatively high rpms waiting for the vehicle to accelerate. improved ba ang fuel economy?

[tarzegetakizerd]

so with that in mind ano lang ang advantage ng CVT against modern torque converter automatics (which are becoming very good nowadays)?

smoother? though some people do not like the cvt characteristic of droning and staying at relatively high rpms waiting for the vehicle to accelerate. improved ba ang fuel economy?

fuel consumption nga ata?

[Egan101]

so with that in mind ano lang ang advantage ng CVT against modern torque converter automatics (which are becoming very good nowadays)?

smoother? though some people do not like the cvt characteristic of droning and staying at relatively high rpms waiting for the vehicle to accelerate. improved ba ang fuel economy?

Newer CVTs are a lot better than those in the early 2000s. Advantage of newer CVTs is they are tuned to keep the engine in optimal output along the rpm range thus helping in fuel economy.

With my FXT, it feels too smooth that there is not much sensation of going up to speed. Cruising at 150kmh to 180kmh feels just like doing 100-120kmh unless you observe the outside surroundings. Also, it feels soft off the line when forcing a hard launch.

With my ASX, the droning and output response delay in higher rpms can be observed. Its CVT is not as responsive as the one on the FXT.

Our Civic RS is quick but that same sensation of going fast is not that evident. Response is better than the CVT of the ASX.

DCTs and DSGs are much better in terms of feel and response when going up to speed. This is my experience with Ford and VW.


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[ice15]

so with that in mind ano lang ang advantage ng CVT against modern torque converter automatics (which are becoming very good nowadays)?

smoother? though some people do not like the cvt characteristic of droning and staying at relatively high rpms waiting for the vehicle to accelerate. improved ba ang fuel economy?

Only 2 advantages I can see with CVT

1. Fuel Economy - this is backed by science, so we can't argue - otherwise, why will car manufacturers switch to CVT?

2. For smaller cars, it looks like the future. No sense in looking for an alternative... Vios/City/Corolla/Civic - all uses CVT, will you really go to a Mazda/Kia/Hyundai showroom kasi ayaw mo ng CVT?

[jut703]

so with that in mind ano lang ang advantage ng CVT against modern torque converter automatics (which are becoming very good nowadays)?

smoother? though some people do not like the cvt characteristic of droning and staying at relatively high rpms waiting for the vehicle to accelerate. improved ba ang fuel economy?

Mas mura for manufacturers.

Also something not reflected in a drag race (where both are flat out) is that a CVT will always be at its optimal powerband vs traditional AT na possible below powerband ka (less than 4k) rpm at certain speeds when you suddenly decide to gun it on the road.

But overall a traditional AT definitely feels better to drive than a CVT but for most people who just drive in the city and expressways they won't notice the difference aside from the much smoother shifts with a CVT.

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[Egan101]

I got more than twice the torque though, and both it and power come very early. But in the end talo pa rin ako.

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I once had a stoplight to stoplight run-in with an 86 along Commerce Avenue in Alabang. My FXT outsprinted the 86, the higher torque from the turbo and the AWD is surely an advantage. If that was a straight quartermile drag, even with more peak power I think the FXT would play catch-up near the end.


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[makelovenotwar]

I once had a stoplight to stoplight run-in with an 86 along Commerce Avenue in Alabang. My FXT outsprinted the 86, the higher torque from the turbo and the AWD is surely an advantage. If that was a straight quartermile drag, even with more peak power I think the FXT would play catch-up near the end.


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Kawawa naman yung "sports car" 86, hindi kaya yung tito car FXT.

Napansin ko din jan sa Bridsgestone Tire Center sa Commerce center ay madaming nagpapagawa na 86. Bomba bomba pa pero pag dumating na yung grupo ng mga mustang, wala na tahimik na.

Sorry hater ako ng 86.

[ice15]

seeing this race is like seeing the F-150 vs Cyrbertruck tug of war

not an expert, but I always find Toyota's max rpm/power around 3-4k rpm... compared to Honda na around 5.5-6.5k rpm - this can normally be felt when overtaking in local provincial roads. - hence during HS days... mas madaling "paiyakin" ang Toyota

2nd... if you keep on racing both... I don't think the Innova's diesel engine will last as long as the Honda's Petrol engine... pero mauuna sigurong masira yung CVT than the conventional A/T

3rd stopping power... being a racer sa Mindanao and Macapagal YEARSSSSS ago... I'll be more confident stopping on a Civic than an Innova kapag may biglang car na sumulpot sa harap mo.

4th handling... I always prefer to drive a car because of this reason, faster/better cornering

5th... pogi factor... I will always say mas pogi yung car... my dad will say kasya 6 na chicks sa MPV

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quick question na matagal nang nasa isip ko...

Innova uses a de-tuned 2.8 engine thats the same as the Fortuner.

Can you swap the computer box of the Innova to get the Fortuner's power? - kahit sa sites ng Toyota Malaysia/India/Indonesia wala akong makitang info on this.